Has the 'Moral Majority' lost its' mind - again?

[Anchorman]

This thread falls between the political and the Christian boards, but I'll put it here - mods, feel free to move it.
I've just read David Robertson, a leading Scots presbyterian (and evangelical) Christian's take on the support Donald Trump appears to be gathering amongst the religious right Stateside.
I think it shows the division of evangelical thought between parts of the States and this side of the pond.

It's worth a read, anyway:

https://theweeflea.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/youve-been-trumped-donald-trump-and-american-evangelicals/

[jakswan]

David Robertson always an arse but does he not know anti-immigrant, xenophobic, misogynistic, protectionist politics are exactly what appeal to religious right.

Maybe you should put him in touch Alex Salmond, he was big buds with Trump for a while.

[Hope]

David Robertson always an arse but does he not know anti-immigrant, xenophobic, misogynistic, protectionist politics are exactly what appeal to religious right.

But only in certain parts of the United States, jakswan.  I know of some US groups who proudly regard themselves as belonging to the 'religious right' who are heavily involved in work with immigrants, women's rights, overseas aid and fairtrade projects.

That's the problem with generalist terms such as the 'religious right' or the 'looney left'.

[Anchorman]

David Robertson always an arse but does he not know anti-immigrant, xenophobic, misogynistic, protectionist politics are exactly what appeal to religious right.

Maybe you should put him in touch Alex Salmond, he was big buds with Trump for a while.

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Er......As MSP for the area in which Trump tried to interfere, Eck had no option but BE involved.
However, his speeches and FMQ answers in Holyrood speak volumes for his opinion.

[jakswan]

David Robertson always an arse but does he not know anti-immigrant, xenophobic, misogynistic, protectionist politics are exactly what appeal to religious right.

Maybe you should put him in touch Alex Salmond, he was big buds with Trump for a while.

Er......As MSP for the area in which Trump tried to interfere, Eck had no option but BE involved.
However, his speeches and FMQ answers in Holyrood speak volumes for his opinion.

Yes he was a big fan of Trump before their tiff.

[Owlswing]

David Robertson always an arse but does he not know anti-immigrant, xenophobic, misogynistic, protectionist politics are exactly what appeal to religious right.

. . . I know of some US groups . . . '.

Why does this not surprise me? The reverse would have done, but not this.

[Hope]

Why does this not surprise me? The reverse would have done, but not this.

The reverse being ...?

[OH MY WORLD!]

For those that missed it. The Moral Majority ceased to exist 25yrs ago.  And the truth is it's the protectionist democrats in congress that have been giving Obama headaches as far as his trade deals go. When ever democrats gain power Canada braces for protectionist policies. And Obama is a protectionist democrat in his dealing with my country.

[Owlswing]

Why does this not surprise me? The reverse would have done, but not this.

The reverse being ...?

The reverse being you announcing that you did NOT know "of some US groups who proudly regard themselves as belonging to the 'religious right' who are heavily involved in work with immigrants, women's rights, overseas aid and fairtrade projects."

[Hope]

The reverse being you announcing that you did NOT know "of some US groups who proudly regard themselves as belonging to the 'religious right' who are heavily involved in work with immigrants, women's rights, overseas aid and fairtrade projects."

OK, I'll take out the US bit.  Will that help?  Matt, what you need to be aware of is that, as part of my professional English as a Foreign/Second/Additional Language networks as well as my interest in Fair Trade, I have had contacts with a large number of organisation the world over - some religious, some not - and therefore taken an interest in what is happening in a number of countries, in the areas of immigration, international trade, overseas aid and women's rights.

Now, I don't know how much interest you have in international affairs professionally, but if you do, you will know that one takes that level of interest in such situations.

[Shaker]

Matt, what you need to be aware of is that, as part of my professional English as a Foreign/Second/Additional Language networks as well as my interest in Fair Trade, I have had contacts with a large number of organisation the world over

Yes, yes ... somehow we suspected you might.

[jakswan]

Matt, what you need to be aware of is that, as part of my professional English as a Foreign/Second/Additional Language networks as well as my interest in Fair Trade, I have had contacts with a large number of organisation the world over - some religious, some not - and therefore taken an interest in what is happening in a number of countries, in the areas of immigration, international trade, overseas aid and women's rights.

Which may or may not be true, (I'd rather roll a dice than take your word on anything) you can have contacts with a huge number of people but doesn't mean you are an authority on any topic.

[Owlswing]

The reverse being you announcing that you did NOT know "of some US groups who proudly regard themselves as belonging to the 'religious right' who are heavily involved in work with immigrants, women's rights, overseas aid and fairtrade projects."

OK, I'll take out the US bit.  Will that help?  Matt, what you need to be aware of is that, as part of my professional English as a Foreign/Second/Additional Language networks as well as my interest in Fair Trade, I have had contacts with a large number of organisation the world over - some religious, some not - and therefore taken an interest in what is happening in a number of countries, in the areas of immigration, international trade, overseas aid and women's rights.

Now, I don't know how much interest you have in international affairs professionally, but if you do, you will know that one takes that level of interest in such situations.

Oh, I am not in anyway doubting your "contacts with a large number of organisation the world over - some religious, some not" - what I am questioning is the fact that, as yet, no matter what the subject, no matter what the context, no matter what the geographical location, no matter what the language, you have personal experience of it; it is this with which I have trouble with belief, even you are not THAT experienced, no matter how you thinly you spread yourself, and this is also confirmned by the times when your statements of experiience have been called into question and you have had to backpedal hard.

And, from the preceding two responses it would appear that I am not the only one who is not convinced of your omnipotence!

[Shaker]

There seems to be a degree of scepticism abroad, Matt

[Hope]

...what I am questioning is the fact that, as yet, no matter what the subject, no matter what the context, no matter what the geographical location, no matter what the language, you have personal experience of it; ...

I wish!!

... it is this with which I have trouble with belief, even you are not THAT experienced, no matter how you thinly you spread yourself, and this is also confirmned by the times when your statements of experiience have been called into question and you have had to backpedal hard.

I don't recall having to backpedal on anything.  Give additional information or background detail, yes; back-pedal, no.

And, from the preceding two responses it would appear that I am not the only one who is not convinced of your omnipotence!

No one is less convinced of my 'omnipotence' than myself, Matt.  I can think of several on this board alone that have far greater depth of understanding of several issues and some who possibly have a broader knowledge than I do.

I just happen to have the good fortune to have lived and worked in the Indian subcontinent for 10 years of my life with people from Australasia, Southern Africa, Malaysia, North America, the subcontinent and Europe; to be married to an antipodean; be part Canadian and part British myself and have a variety of links with organisations (mostly professional) around the world.

The only real problem is that none of these have helped me get a job over the last 6 or 7 years!!

[Hope]

Which may or may not be true, (I'd rather roll a dice than take your word on anything) you can have contacts with a huge number of people but doesn't mean you are an authority on any topic.

I couldn't agree more, j.  It is folk like Matt who seems to want to endow me with authority; all I do is share my experience.

[Hope]

There seems to be a degree of scepticism abroad, Matt

I believe its called a B.Sc., Shaker

[Shaker]

There seems to be a degree of scepticism abroad, Matt

I believe its called a B.Sc., Shaker

No, I think the term you're after is BS, see?

[OH MY WORLD!]

And to keep it real.
Where is Trump's republican support coming from? From 19% of very conservative republicans, from 38% of the evangelical republicans and from 30% of the republicans that attend church at least once a week. So calm down Anchorman, most evangelical republicans DO NOT support Trump.  From MSNBC

[SqueakyVoice]

There seems to be a degree of scepticism abroad, Matt

I believe its called a B.Sc., Shaker

No, I think the term you're after is BS, see?

I think you're being unfair there, Shakes. Hope is very proud of his Bronze Swimming certificate.

[Shaker]

Very good 

[Anchorman]

And to keep it real.
Where is Trump's republican support coming from? From 19% of very conservative republicans, from 38% of the evangelical republicans and from 30% of the republicans that attend church at least once a week. So calm down Anchorman, most evangelical republicans DO NOT support Trump.  From MSNBC

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I AM keeping it 'real', JC.
I fail to understand why ANY Christian with even the most tenuous grasp on Scripture should even contemplate supporting Trump.

[jakswan]

Which may or may not be true, (I'd rather roll a dice than take your word on anything) you can have contacts with a huge number of people but doesn't mean you are an authority on any topic.

I couldn't agree more, j.  It is folk like Matt who seems to want to endow me with authority; all I do is share my experience.

Glad we both seem to agree that your testimony is worthless.

[Owlswing]

Which may or may not be true, (I'd rather roll a dice than take your word on anything) you can have contacts with a huge number of people but doesn't mean you are an authority on any topic.

I couldn't agree more, j.  It is folk like Matt who seems to want to endow me with authority; all I do is share my experience.

Glad we both seem to agree that your testimony is worthless.

As a teacher of English Hope has an unfortunate habit of dropping Year 7 style clangers in his posts.

[OH MY WORLD!]

No Anchorman, you are NOT keeping it real. You have started out attacking the MORAL MAJORITY, yup and those this side of the pond know it was shut down 25yrs ago. You take direct aim at evangelicals over here and the truth being that MOST do not support Trump. I would never vote for him. JEB would have my vote.
Well I can say the same sort of thing Anchorman. I don't know how any CHRISTAIN can claim to be such and support abortion and assisted suicide. So now what?