What is Your Personal Experience of Your God?

[SweetPea]

Re the OP:

Well, Jack, I'm with Gonners and Rose in that Christians here haven't come forward with their accounts of their relationship with God because it is so personal. But I can see you are genuine with your enquiry and so will share some of my experiences.

Having started out a Christian, I wondered away and into new age philosophy. Here everything was wonderful and 'we are gods'. Huge red flag. This was the lie told to Eve in the garden of Eden. At the same time I was drawn to pantheism which (my own belief, now) is all part of the deception. Lucifer will do anything to draw folk away from the knowledge of the true Creator, Ahayah (God).

At some point, I met someone online that was a great help in showing me how I had been deceived. Then I had a dream that I was in a lake, and standing at the edge was Jesus and three others that I seemed to know were some of the disciples but I didn't know which ones. Jesus held out his hand to me and pulled me out of the water. In the distance was a huge white mansion that appeared to be glowing, radiantly. All very symbolic. I woke the next morning and knew something had changed.

Another account, perhaps more about faith. Many years ago, I was walking home alone and about to be confronted by a group of drunkard youths. I offered up a silent prayer and just surrendered. Almost immediately a rush of wind entered through the top of my head and exited through the area of my chest in the direction of the youths. It was a split second action and I most certainly felt and almost heard the 'whoosh'. To my relief, the group of lads turned in another direction. I haven't experienced anything like that before or since, but it was very real at the time.


(If you have any questions, I have to go out now - grandchild- minding and probably won't be able to get back to you until sometime over the weekend.)

I'd have put money on someone 'showing you where you'd been led astray' Sweeatpea. If you want to know where the evil leading you astray is, look to them; the ideas they have passed onto you lead to persecution of pagans throughout society. I've encountered enough of them in everyday life and on the  Internet -including this forum - to know the damage they do; they are up there with the worst of Christian persecutors of gay people. They work through fear. They do more damage to perfectly innocent people than you can imagine.

Although I'm not New Age I've hung out with enough who are to know that the idea they believe 'we are all gods' is pure fiction. They do often believe that we are all spiritual beings enjoying a physical existence, but that's virtually indistinguishable from the idea of an immortal soul housed in a physical body. But then you still like plenty of New Age things, if I recall correctly from your posts - chakras, quantum stuff, crop circles... why, if it is satanic?

New age is very seductive in it's teaching - and that's the idea; people become hypnotised by the subliminal messages. 'Source consciousness' and 'Christ consciousness' are all counterfeit states. All the new agers I knew were good folk and wouldn't wish any ill to anyone. But there are always extremists, as it were, in these types of groups.

I will say, I've never come across anyone that believed they were gods but that is one of the core beliefs - we are creators - all tied in with the law of attraction. I still believe we are spiritual beings; and we're certainly experiencing being human.

I love my quantum research, so I'll continue with that; and yes, there are chakras but I won't be focussing on them as before. Crop circles - well, there's a little fun! 

[Rhiannon]

But that doesn't make either New Age or paganism 'satanic'; nor does it make its adherents 'led astray by lucifer'. It isn't the path for you and that's fine, but there's no such thing as a One True Way. And even the most tenuous link between paganism and satanism leads to persecution of pagans, even today. My daughter's too afraid to be 'out' at school. We aren't free to be ourselves and yet we harm nobody.

The 'co-creator' stuff - not a fan. The LoA isn't just shit, it's damaging shit - 'magical thinking' in CBT, it's bad for anxiety and especially OCD.

[ippy]

Five?

 

Five strange posts from the same source Rose.

ippy

P S Source, of course, if you knew the trouble I have with spelling, It's a wonder I don't do this kind of faux pas a lot more often, I can assure you it wont be my last mistake with spelling.

[Rhiannon]

The conventional explanation from spiritual types that I've heard for an experience like yours, Rose, is that it is an angel visitation. A friend of mine is well-known in NA circles as an angel 'teacher' and she's massively popular with Roman Catholics, especially from the Rep of Ireland.

Mind you, I had the strangest conversation with an Irish Catholic estate agent I met randomly the other day. Too personal to recount here though.

[SweetPea]

Rose, please share your experience.... I have had visitations myself, usually when I've been going through hard times.

It's rather ironic, but I feel I'm the one being attacked here. Jack asked for experiences and I've given mine, but I'd never criticize another's.

[ippy]

Five?
 

Five strange posts from the same sauce Rose.

ippy

Sauce? Lol

The thing is Ippy's all our knowledge of "God" or " otherworldly things" comes from human experience and recorded human experience.

Human experience is subjective and I'm not asking you to " believe " mine, it's just Jack asked why we saw things as we do.

Our own subjective experiences tend to feel true when we are confronted by others subjective experiences.

Mine is not a "Christian " one.

There was some more to it, but I'm concerned that it might not sit well with Christians on here.

It has never bothered me and I'm now nearly 58, but I know the reaction I got from my now ordained friend 😉

Some of the way I see things comes because I don't accept a Christian perspective.

I'm not asking people to believe it, but it would have been fun for me to share my reasoning, but am concerned I might overtake Rhiannon in the Satanic stakes if I do.

😄

I was driving over the Vosges mountains just before sunrise a few years back my wife and I decided to stop driving and have our breakfast, got the folding chairs sorted out the cornflakes, had the tea on the go as dawn broke, it was one of those spiritual moments for the pair of us devoted atheists, as we looked out there were dozens of small islands, mountain tops, showing through the clouds with the morning sun in the background it was certainly one of those 'wow' in capital letters moments.

This was a truly lovely memorable moment perhaps you can tell me why you might think there had to be some third party involved when seeing something so obviously beautiful but easily explained and equally easy to understand why it appeared as it did.

This is the kind of thing that confounds me about people that have mythically, superstition based and magical beliefs, why the third party? What does it do and why bother with the idea in the first place?

We all have human experiences, over the years I've never thought about third parties nor is there anything that would support the idea that there is in fact a third party of any kind, why make one up?
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If you have another read of the rather strange posts coming from Jack as you call him, how would you reply and I don't think there is any forum rule that all posts have to be answered.

ippy
   

[Rhiannon]

Rose, please share your experience.... I have had visitations myself, usually when I've been going through hard times.

It's rather ironic, but I feel I'm the one being attacked here. Jack asked for experiences and I've given mine, but I'd never criticize another's.

You don't see calling the beliefs of others 'satanic' deceptions or 'led by lucifer' as critical or offensive?

[Jack Knave]

Five?

 

You may well be shocked, most chimps can hardly count to four!

Though he hasn't reach a level where he can understand what I'm saying or suggesting.

[Jack Knave]

Re the OP:

Well, Jack, I'm with Gonners and Rose in that Christians here haven't come forward with their accounts of their relationship with God because it is so personal. But I can see you are genuine with your enquiry and so will share some of my experiences.

Having started out a Christian, I wondered away and into new age philosophy. Here everything was wonderful and 'we are gods'. Huge red flag. This was the lie told to Eve in the garden of Eden. At the same time I was drawn to pantheism which (my own belief, now) is all part of the deception. Lucifer will do anything to draw folk away from the knowledge of the true Creator, Ahayah (God).

At some point, I met someone online that was a great help in showing me how I had been deceived. Then I had a dream that I was in a lake, and standing at the edge was Jesus and three others that I seemed to know were some of the disciples but I didn't know which ones. Jesus held out his hand to me and pulled me out of the water. In the distance was a huge white mansion that appeared to be glowing, radiantly. All very symbolic. I woke the next morning and knew something had changed.

Another account, perhaps more about faith. Many years ago, I was walking home alone and about to be confronted by a group of drunkard youths. I offered up a silent prayer and just surrendered. Almost immediately a rush of wind entered through the top of my head and exited through the area of my chest in the direction of the youths. It was a split second action and I most certainly felt and almost heard the 'whoosh'. To my relief, the group of lads turned in another direction. I haven't experienced anything like that before or since, but it was very real at the time.


(If you have any questions, I have to go out now - grandchild- minding and probably won't be able to get back to you until sometime over the weekend.)

From what I gather you aren't a Christian and yet you didn't finish off the Jesus dream and what you thought had changed. If you are not a Christian what did you make of this dream?

Also, what I'm looking for is the personal event that makes people believe what they believe - their outlook on life that takes their God or 'God' to be real. Why do you hold the beliefs you do; what personal experience has given you the internal proof for this?

Due to what I mentioned in my comment, it could be said I'm a 'born again'. This has all happened relatively recently, so perhaps that's what has caused the confusion. There wasn't any more to the 'Jesus' dream. What did it mean? Well, I'm no expert on interpreting dreams but I thought the water connection could be significant as a form of baptism. What had changed? That's something I can't put into words, it was like an awakening and everything suddenly became very clear. Up until then, I would read my Bible and the text was just 'words', now the passages are leaping out at me and resonating in a way they never have before.

I believe there is a Creator and His Creation:
Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning (that’s TIME) God (that’s FORCE) created (that’s ACTION) the heavens (that’s SPACE) and the earth (that’s MATTER). In the first verse of the bible, God said plainly what man didn’t catalogue until the 19th century. All that exists in the universe can be contained in 5 categories: TIME; FORCE; ACTION; SPACE & MATTER, in that sequence.

Throughout my teens I was poorly and latterly hospitialised. During that time I gained great comfort and inner strength from my relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It most certainly guided me through some dark times.

This is going to enable some cognitive dissonance, I'm sure, and so I'll leave it there, for now.

Reading the dream again it does sound positive and encouraging.

[Jack Knave]

I have seen people on this forum mention this before, one of my posts on this thread has disappeared. Was this phenomena ever looked into?

[ippy]

Rose where you have said:

"The thing is Ippy's all our knowledge of "God" or " otherworldly things comes from human experience and recorded human experience".
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We all have "human experiences", as you call them Rose; in what possible way can any one gain any knowledge about something/anything you refer to as god or any other, "otherworldly things"?

I would say there is virtually zero chance that there is anything that either you or anyone else could imagine or find to demonstrate any kind of credibility in these so called experiences you have referred to?

I suppose in this country none of us can avoid these religion ideas of a supposed god, so anything like these spiritual moments, we all have, are so intense at times it does make most of us wonder where they have come from; it make me suppose we don't know exactly how at the moment and for others that have heard about the god idea, attribute these feelings to this god idea, instead of the rational we don't know yet.

There isn't any knowledge of this god idea simply because there has never been any solid rational evidence that
supports the idea, (try to not give if you can, an Alan Burns get out of trouble free excuse as an answer to this).           

ippy

[Jack Knave]

Rose, please share your experience.... I have had visitations myself, usually when I've been going through hard times.

It's rather ironic, but I feel I'm the one being attacked here. Jack asked for experiences and I've given mine, but I'd never criticize another's.

Ok

I missed two bits out.

I described in post 131 that I felt disappointed because my future didn't seem to include seeing a UFO.

It's sounds really daft, but I was into that sort of thing at the time.

He picked up on it, and showed me "something else" that made me ecstatically happy and I remember this really strong feeling of love washing over me, but he told me I wouldn't be allowed to remember it and I really wanted to, and he said no.

That's when I really wanted him to meet my mother.

The other bit I didn't mention, was that when I saw him first, at the very beginning his eyes were slightly a dull red. ( like very dim light in the pupils) 
I was scared initially but he said not to be afraid and I wasn't.  What I did do, and this sounds really silly, was ask him if he was Dracula as at the time I think it was the only thing I could think of.

He started laughing and as he sat on my bed said, " no I'm not him".

I looked away and started to wonder what it was all about and when I looked back he still was having a giggle to himself,about my response.

Then he seemed to realise he had come for some reason and then held out his hand over my body, and that's when I saw that sort of mental video.


The experience has affected how I view religion, altogether really.

In the experience he never mentioned God or religion at all, never told me I had to be or do anything. The only firm connection with religion I really feel was when he showed me something and that incredible sense of love.

I don't think I would have have got that,  if I hadn't been so disappointed.

I have absolutely no idea what his purpose was and he didn't sit and explain that.

As a non christened child with non religious parents who went to a very narrow minded church school, it influenced me to feel justified in rejecting all the judgmental and small universe ideas that were given out.

I figured at the time the love was unconditional and whatever lies behind religion is not small, mean minded or judgemental,  as many Christians in my past suggested.

He never said I had to believe in God or be someone I wasn't or join a religion, so I came to the conclusion that quite a few religious people don't actually know what they are on about.

The bible and every other religious book is only about other people's experiences, IMO.

Given the choice, I think whatever that was, was much more knowledgable than no end of experts from various religious groups.



So that's why I'm a universalist at heart , because the only thing that would make me ecstatically happy would be, if whatever lies behind religion was non judgmental and very very fair and non discriminatory.

If the video showed you your future did it all come true? Did any parts not come true? How detailed was it?

[Jack Knave]

Ippy perhaps I worded that badly.

All our supposed knowledge of God/gods/beliefs comes from subjective human experience and is recorded in books like the bible or other religious books.

You could also add that God is just a mere word. People, who have had these unusual experiences for eons, have collectively pooled these phenomena together and developed words to captivate them in terms and notions that the social tribe can share and express. As you have said these experiences impress upon us a dynamic and meaningful significance and a vitality that signal that they are the source of life itself.

[Jack Knave]

If the video showed you your future did it all come true? Did any parts not come true? How detailed was it?

See post 131.

It was extremely fast.

To be honest, there isn't much more I can tell you about it.

OK. I did reread 131 and all it said was about a happy marriage, which is fairly standard as most people are concerned with such a basic need or wish. I was just wondering if there was anything specific and non-standard in there.

Rhetorical question really. If it went so fast how do you know it was about your future? That would imply that it was an emotional value-judgement than a recognisable depiction of events(?).

The only thing comparable with your experience (but a lot more merger) was in my teens when I was pondering life and the future, lying in bed at night, a voice called out my name. It was so real I looked up to see who was there, even though I knew no one was in the room......that's it. 

[ippy]

Ippy perhaps I worded that badly.

All our supposed knowledge of God/gods/beliefs comes from subjective human experience and is recorded in books like the bible or other religious books.

Books such as the bible, have nothing that can establish if they're anything more than just another one of many, man made books.

I could have written a book, not a very good one, yes I know, declaring all sorts of happenings.

How about: I pulled the plug on my T V one night, the T V came on, on its own, without being plugged in and started to admonish all of the people that don't worship the "Star Trek" philosophical directives, portrayed in every other Trekki  program and it started to instruct you this is the truth according to "The Star Trek Script"; I very much doubt you'd believe a word of what it is telling you or take any of it up, plus where would there be anything written or said, like this, about "Star Trek" being the truth that would hold up to investigation?

Likewise the bibles, magical, mystical and superstition content doesn't hold up to investigation Rose.

ippy   

[ippy]

Ippy perhaps I worded that badly.

All our supposed knowledge of God/gods/beliefs comes from subjective human experience and is recorded in books like the bible or other religious books.

Books such as the bible, have nothing that can establish if they're anything more than just another one of many, man made books.

I could have written a book, not a very good one, yes I know, declaring all sorts of happenings.

How about: I pulled the plug on my T V one night, the T V came on, on its own, without being plugged in and started to admonish all of the people that don't worship the "Star Trek" philosophical directives, portrayed in every other Trekki  program and it started to instruct you this is the truth according to "The Star Trek Script"; I very much doubt you'd believe a word of what it is telling you or take any of it up, plus where would there be anything written or said, like this, about "Star Trek" being the truth that would hold up to investigation?

Likewise the bibles, magical, mystical and superstition content doesn't hold up to investigation Rose.

ippy   

why don't you just say, you don't believe in anything that doesn't have a rational and provable source?

It's shorter.

I've tried to answer Jacks question, nobody has to accept it.


It's a very personal account and relates subjectively to me.

I'm not an atheist, and am never going to be one.

What's so good about the irrational? (short enough)?

ippy

[Leonard James]

I'm not an atheist, and am never going to be one.

Nobody can foretell the future, Rose. You are happy in your belief world at the moment, but something may one day remove the veil from your eyes! 

[Leonard James]

What's so good about not having a spiritual side?

Nothing! I would consider life very barren without it.

[torridon]

All too often (at least on the Internet ) being an Athiest seems synonymous with being closed and narrow minded and seeing any deviation of opinion as "irrational "

I don't aim to close my mind in that fashion.

It would be like wearing shackles.

Sometimes it's not so much about believing something but of being able to keep an open mind about a variety of things. 
 

Atheists at least on the Internet, don't seem to be able to do that.

Everyone is different I suppose. Not everyone is cut out to be an atheist.

The idea of being an atheist does nothing for me.

You make it sound like a choice.  It's not a choice

[Rhiannon]

No, it isn't.

[ippy]

Rose you posted this:

"All too often (at least on the Internet ) being an Athiest seems synonymous with being closed and narrow minded and seeing any deviation of opinion as "irrational ".

What is rational about believing in any unsupported idea?

ippy

 

[Leonard James]

If it's not a choice then why are atheists apparently trying to force it on everyone else?

We are not trying to force it on others. We are trying to get you to see FOR YOURSELF that without you knowing it, your ability to reason has been misled by culture and/or religious teaching into reaching a false conclusion.

[Rhiannon]

If it's not a choice then why are atheists apparently trying to force it on everyone else?

We are not trying to force it on others. We are trying to get you to see FOR YOURSELF that without you knowing it, your ability to reason has been misled by culture and/or religious teaching into reaching a false conclusion.

Is that your business, Len? Rose hasn't tried to get you to believe her version of events and she isn't claiming 'true for you'. Any reason why you can't just let her be?

[Leonard James]

If it's not a choice then why are atheists apparently trying to force it on everyone else?

We are not trying to force it on others. We are trying to get you to see FOR YOURSELF that without you knowing it, your ability to reason has been misled by culture and/or religious teaching into reaching a false conclusion.

Is that your business, Len? Rose hasn't tried to get you to believe her version of events and she isn't claiming 'true for you'. Any reason why you can't just let her be?

I don't like to see people conned, and religion is one of the biggest con tricks on this earth.

[Rhiannon]

But Rose isn't religious and she isn't talking about religious belief, but a personal experience.