Potential policies from 'Team Corbyn'

[Hope]

I'll start off by pointing out that, though I have used the term in the thread title, I really dislike the current way the media are talking about 'Team Corbyn'.  Did we ever get reference to 'Team Miliband', 'Team Cameron', 'Team Blair', etc ?

When John McDonnell was announced as the new Shadow Chancellor, the reporter on one channel I heard immediately referred to his previously stated intention of nationalising the banks.

What possible other policies have already been indicated by members of this new Shadow Cabinet - either in 'previous lives' or since the weekend?

By the way, what is the real purpose of nationalising the banks?

[floo]

Heaven help the UK if the nasty 'team corbyn' ever get voted into power! Communism will reign supreme, imo!

[Shaker]

 

[Nearly Sane]

Heaven help the UK if the nasty 'team corbyn' ever get voted into power! Communism will reign supreme, imo!

You have no idea about what communism is

[Udayana]

A game where you have to sing "The Red Flag" to the tune of the "The National Anthem"?   

That's the only way the British electorate will vote them in!

[floo]

Heaven help the UK if the nasty 'team corbyn' ever get voted into power! Communism will reign supreme, imo!

You have no idea about what communism is

Yes I do!

[Shaker]

Go on then.

[Nearly Sane]

I was just reading he has appointed some vegan women in a most unsuitable place 



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11865225/Jeremy-Corbyn-puts-vegan-in-change-of-farming-policy.html

I want to laugh it's so ridiculous!

Or cry, not sure which.

Ok move on, the guy is a bigger Muppet than the last one. 

Farmers are just going to love her!

Bloody hell!

So people should be denied certain jobs because they are vegans?

[Nearly Sane]

Great, she sounds supremely unsuitable!


"She caused controversy in 2012 after branding a fellow train passenger a "lager drinking oaf" and suggesting he should "have been killed before he could breed" after being irritated by a man playing loud techno music on a train and wearing a T-shirt bearing an obscene message.

She later admitted the comments about breeding were "obviously flippant" but it was a strange outburst from someone who used to serve as Labour's social media tsar."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-appoints-a-vegan-to-deal-with-britains-farmers-10500157.html

If we stopped everyone who had ever said anything stupid in that way from being in the cabinet we'd have The Who's Tommy, Monty the Downing St cat and a vague feeling of ennui as its entire members

[Outrider]

I was just reading he has appointed some vegan women in a most unsuitable place 



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11865225/Jeremy-Corbyn-puts-vegan-in-change-of-farming-policy.html

I want to laugh it's so ridiculous!

Or cry, not sure which.

Ok move on, the guy is a bigger Muppet than the last one. 

Farmers are just going to love her!

Bloody hell!

So people should be denied certain jobs because they are vegans?

Not necessarily, but in a society that still sees veganism as something of a fringe/extremist position, it carries overtones of its own. Certainly I can see the Daily Mail talking up 'Team Corbyn's' lentil-eating veggie-lefty credentails off the back of it.

Does anyone know what the motivation of her veganism is?

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Not necessarily, but in a society that still sees veganism as something of a fringe/extremist position, it carries overtones of its own. Certainly I can see the Daily Mail talking up 'Team Corbyn's' lentil-eating veggie-lefty credentails off the back of it.

Does anyone know what the motivation of her veganism is?

O.

That argument would also once have applied to her being a woman.

[Aruntraveller]

NS I don't even see what's stupid about it - I have had that thought more than once in my life. OK I might not have articulated it - but I've definitely thought it.

Rose - I am not seeing that she being a vegan is a bar to her serving as a farming minister - one of the most costly, ineffective uses of our land is livestock rearing - if she encourages a move away from that to more productive use of the land - more power to her elbow, I say. Although some people seem to be forgetting that we still have another 4+ years of the bastards that are in power now before any change is possible. I suggest you focus on all the broken promises from their election manifesto already becoming apparent, rather than worrying about the what-ifs' of a possible future Labour administration.

[Outrider]

Don't like this

"9. Rent controls should be re-introduced, linking private rents to local earnings, and more council houses should be built. He also believes that council tenants' right to buy their homes should be extended to private sector renters.
"

Private landlords may not want to be forced to sell their properties!  It's a bit to left wing that one, to dictorial.

Lots to be concerned with here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34209478

It's where to start!

I think getting private landlords to sell individual properties directly is a bit much, but I can see a situation where the state could be buying rented accomodation as it goes onto the market for addition to the council-controlled social housing provision.

I'm not in favour of 'right to buy', it's a big part of what got us into the situation where we have a dearth of social housing in the first place. If people can't afford to buy their own place on the open market that's what social housing is for - if we sell it this time we disregard the hard work of people who've bought at market value and lose the social housing provision for following generations.

We need to get over the idea that owning your own home is a right.

O.

[Outrider]

Not necessarily, but in a society that still sees veganism as something of a fringe/extremist position, it carries overtones of its own. Certainly I can see the Daily Mail talking up 'Team Corbyn's' lentil-eating veggie-lefty credentails off the back of it.

Does anyone know what the motivation of her veganism is?

O.

That argument would also once have applied to her being a woman.

I'm not sure it would have - certainly, wanting to be a women and a government minister might have been frowned upon, but being a woman isn't a viewpoint on an issue, it's a socio-biological reality. The only way the two could be equivalent is if you can explain someone's motivation for being a woman...?

[BeRational]

I was just reading he has appointed some vegan women in a most unsuitable place 



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11865225/Jeremy-Corbyn-puts-vegan-in-change-of-farming-policy.html

I want to laugh it's so ridiculous!

Or cry, not sure which.

Ok move on, the guy is a bigger Muppet than the last one. 

Farmers are just going to love her!

Bloody hell!

So people should be denied certain jobs because they are vegans?

They could not be a food critic for menus that contain meat.

[Outrider]

They should be denied certain jobs if they are well known for having such biased and strong veiws..... Yes!

She is an unsuitable choice IMO.

How is it 'biased'? Do you know why she's a vegan? Maybe it's a health issue? Even if it isn't, her likely respect for animal welfare doesn't invalidate her from the role, animal welfare is an important part of the remit of the department.

O.

[Outrider]

They should be denied certain jobs if they are well known for having such biased and strong veiws..... Yes!

She is an unsuitable choice IMO.

How is it 'biased'? Do you know why she's a vegan? Maybe it's a health issue? Even if it isn't, her likely respect for animal welfare doesn't invalidate her from the role, animal welfare is an important part of the remit of the department.

O.

 I don't care why she is a vegan, what matters is whether she can do a good job and given her opinion on farmers, I don't think she can.

Unless you've got statements from her - not impossible, I admit - you are presuming her opinions based on the fact that she's a vegan. Politicians publicly promote policies that are out of keeping with their own personal sentiments all the time, that's because many of them see their role as to represent their constituents, not themselves.

Even then, a concern for animal welfare does not preclude her doing a good job, advocating good policies or standing up for important concerns in opposition. Even if she were to be the farming minister in government she would not be making policy alone.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

But that's different, because a woman is what she is, she can't change that.

She is unsuitable because of her strong veiws in an area which involves her position and she can do real harm.

He couldn't have made a worse choice IMO.

It wasn't made in the best interests of farmers and their businesses, she is going to be prejudiced against them.

The things you can change argument doesn't work - it's a question of whether someone is suitable for a job - if you think someone is unsuitable, then it makes no difference if that is because of something they can change.

You seem to be arguing that a vegan must be against farming - surely that could apply to a meat eater if we are talking about arable farming?

[Nearly Sane]

From what I have read on his support for hesbollah and his support for radical Muslim groups and his reported antisemitism, he doesn't sound too good.

Plus his policies.
Not sure I like the sound of him to be honest.

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-to-appoint-a-special-minister-for-jews/

Still it's ages until the next election.

http://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyns-top-team-criticisms-over-lack-of-women

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11829462/Jeremy-Corbyn-must-publicly-reject-Hamas-and-Hezbollah-leading-Jewish-group-demands.html


It doesn't fill me with confidence.

So the first shadow cabinet with a majority of women worries you as not having enough women?


As to the top posts, that's surely notional - that we don't seem to regards Helth and Education as top posts says more about our structure than any criticism of Corbyn.

[Nearly Sane]

It's a question of whether someone is suitable for the job and because of her very strong veiws, which are not inline with the job in hand or  the rest of the country that  makes her unsuitable. IMO.

No a meat eater doesn't have strong veiws about arable farming in the same way, you are being obtuse.

She is having to work with an industry which for a large part she doesn't seem to agree with, judging by the things she has done in the past.

We needed someone who could work with farmers, not put them more on edge by being anti.

How do you know what a meat eater has strong views on? All you are saying is you disagree with her. You have your view of what is right for farming - you suspect she disagrees with  because she's a vegan. The minister for farming is not there to represent farmers but the electorate.

[Nearly Sane]

"Anti-meat campaigner Kerry McCarthy was announced as the latest addition to the bearded socialist's Shadow Cabinet yesterday.

The 30-year-old has claimed eating meat causes world hunger – and even warned that farting cows harm the environment.

During a 2009 debate she told bemused MPs: "It sounds like a joke but flatulent and burping cows do have an impact on greenhouse gases."

Ukip MEP Stuart Agnew slammed her appointment at the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs (DEFRA).

He said: "Only Jeremy Corbyn could select a vegan to represent the Labour Party on agricultural matters.

"Kerry McCarthy will have little in common with either the producers or consumers of food and would be better described as the Corbynist who would like DEFRA to be renamed the Department for Eradication of Farmers and Rural Areas."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/605241/Jeremy-Corbyn-vegan-Kerry-McCarthy-farms-agriculture-DEFRA-cows-Labour-leader

People who appear to hold radical POV's shouldn't be appointed to posts where they can do harm, IMO.

It's how dictators get in and how countries end up in a mess.

It doesn't matter if the person involved is right or left wing.

This one just happens to be a labour MP.

I'd say the same about a UKIP MP.

I would suggest saying people shouldn't be appointed to positions for being a vegan is radical and dictatorial

[Aruntraveller]

It's how dictators get in and how countries end up in a mess.

eh???

[Aruntraveller]

People who appear to hold radical POV's shouldn't be appointed to posts where they can do harm, IMO.

One name

Ian Duncan Smith.

Whatever fate befalls our meat producing industry IF this woman is in a position to affect anything - is as nothing to the effect this truly deplorable human being is having on the ill and disabled in this country NOW. Please get a grip Rose.

[Nearly Sane]

Well she isn't, she holds veiws that are incompatible with the role.

I would prefer to be represented by someone who is more moderate and can make improvements without being to biased.

What is right for farming?

Someone who can see all sides and do the best for us, the country, and it's farmers.

Someone moderate who is not driven by their emotions.

She doesn't fit the bill.

If I wanted her, I'd be voting  for the "green" party, but not many people do, because that isn't what they want.

She holds views you deem as incompatible with the role . You seem awfully driven by emotion on this

[Harrowby Hall]

I don't see that being a vegan is a necessary bar to the post.

In the past the appropriate section of our wonderful press complained that Barbara Castle was an unsuitable candidate for Transport Minister since she didn't drive. I don't recall that - somewhat earlier - thay had complained that Ernie Marples was unsuitable for the same post since he had a family interest in a road-building firm.

She may be able to bring some clear thinking into the current nature of agriculture. The quantity of land used just for producing cattle feed is far, far greater than the quantity of land used for cattle rearing. Is this really justifiable? Endless square kilometres of maize and sorghum in places like the Beauce may look like arable farming, but it is really disguised meat production.