Potential policies from 'Team Corbyn'

[Nearly Sane]

That's because it isn't because she is a vegan it's more than that.

It's because of the things she comes out with and the other organisations she belongs to.

Which are?

[Nearly Sane]

That's because it isn't because she is a vegan it's more than that.

It's because of the things she comes out with and the other organisations she belongs to.

Which are?

I have posted some of it already above.

An irrlevant comment about someone making noise on a train which I already commented on. As regrads methane production from cows, it's a perfectly serious issue - why do you think it isn't?

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, the RSPCA used to be an organisation that helped neglected animals, now it's overrun with political extremists that waste donations on lengthy court battles and political issues.

I don't want to see the same happen with our MPs, that damages our country by forcing their personal choices on others.

This women appears to be anti meat, not just vegan.

Anti Dairy too by the sound of it.

No I don't want tree huggers and bunny lovers dominating our politics like they have the RSPCA.

MMM 'tree huggers and bunny lovers' - how unemotional.

[Outrider]

From what I have read on his support for hesbollah and his support for radical Muslim groups and his reported antisemitism, he doesn't sound too good.

Plus his policies.
Not sure I like the sound of him to be honest.

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-to-appoint-a-special-minister-for-jews/

Still it's ages until the next election.

http://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyns-top-team-criticisms-over-lack-of-women

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11829462/Jeremy-Corbyn-must-publicly-reject-Hamas-and-Hezbollah-leading-Jewish-group-demands.html


It doesn't fill me with confidence.

So the first shadow cabinet with a majority of women worries you as not having enough women?


As to the top posts, that's surely notional - that we don't seem to regards Helth and Education as top posts says more about our structure than any criticism of Corbyn.

He doesn't 'support' Hesbollah or radical Muslim groups, but he does recognise that they are groups with power and influence and that as grown ups we need to talk to these people in order to achieve peace.

Why a Jewish faction should be able to demand he drop support for particular groups given Israel's continued occupation of lands in defiance of UN resolutions confuses me, to be honest, and the man has presumably addressed the criticisms over the 'lack of women' in his team, with his 50% female shadow cabinet.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

And her green resolution?

Her grand " animal welfare" answer?

Perhaps she has a different one to killing them all?

A cork strategically placed?

Sorry, you seemed to have become so emotional that you have stopped making any form of sense? Are you saying that there no one should raise an issue without having a solution you agree with?

[Nearly Sane]

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I'm not nominated  for the job.

She is.

But if you think being emotional affects one's judgment, how can you judge her?

[Shaker]

Yes, the RSPCA used to be an organisation that helped neglected animals, now it's overrun with political extremists that waste donations on lengthy court battles and political issues.

I don't want to see the same happen with our MPs, that damages our country by forcing their personal choices on others.

This women appears to be anti meat, not just vegan.

Anti Dairy too by the sound of it.

No I don't want tree huggers and bunny lovers dominating our politics like they have the RSPCA.

MMM 'tree huggers and bunny lovers' - how unemotional.

I hope you all realise you're being trolled - this is the same one who was going to go squealing to the mods because she thought people were encouraging a poster to commit suicide 

[Nearly Sane]

Who trolleth the troll?

[Aruntraveller]

Rose

All you need to know about IDS

http://www.welfareweekly.com/iain-duncan-smiths-directory-death/

I realise that this isn't all your fault as this thread wasn't started by you - but I think worrying about an MP who is in a position in the shadow cabinet now - who almost certainly won't be in the same position in 4 years time even if (and this is a big if) the Labour Party form the next government is pointless - and that there are much more pressing problems than speculating about whether or not she is a tree hugger.

I don't know about you but I'd rather have a tree hugger over a murderer anyday.

[Anchorman]

People who appear to hold radical POV's shouldn't be appointed to posts where they can do harm, IMO.

One name

Ian Duncan Smith.

Whatever fate befalls our meat producing industry IF this woman is in a position to affect anything - is as nothing to the effect this truly deplorable human being is having on the ill and disabled in this country NOW. Please get a grip Rose.

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IDS is a disgrace to humanitarian politics, despised and loathed by all who have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart.
In other words, a Cameronite.

[jeremyp]

So people should be denied certain jobs because they are vegans?

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

I don't mean that in a flippant way, maybe Corbyn's plan is to put the squeeze on the British meat production industry. Then it will be one of the policies by which he stands or falls at the next General Election.

[Nearly Sane]

So people should be denied certain jobs because they are vegans?

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

I don't mean that in a flippant way, maybe Corbyn's plan is to put the squeeze on the British meat production industry. Then it will be one of the policies by which he stands or falls at the next General Election.

How does Simon Rimmer manage to run a vegetarian restaurant when he eats meat.?

[jakswan]

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IDS is a disgrace to humanitarian politics, despised and loathed by all who have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart.
In other words, a Cameronite.

Not a fan of IDS but I do have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart, I despise and loath people who think they speak for me, you do not.

[Anchorman]

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IDS is a disgrace to humanitarian politics, despised and loathed by all who have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart.
In other words, a Cameronite.

Not a fan of IDS but I do have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart, I despise and loath people who think they speak for me, you do not.

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No, I don't.
However, I do speak for the forty orr so disabled members of my local disability forum, who were of one accord in utterly condemning IDS and his Tory henchmen's policies toward those with disabilities, whether physical, sensory or learning disabilities.

[Outrider]

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

Or, unless you wanted someone to ensure that the abattoir abided by the animal welfare regulations that were in place?

There are any number of people on here - me included - who despair of the mentality that accepts the Big Boy's Jewish Book of Bedtime Stories and it's increasingly tedious sequels, but who would not advocate banning religion, even if we had the capacity.

You can disagree with someone's point of view and still respect their right to it. She can be concerned with animal welfare, be a vegan because of her own personal feelings, but still appreciate that people have a right to eat meat if it's humanely delivered.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

Or, unless you wanted someone to ensure that the abattoir abided by the animal welfare regulations that were in place?

There are any number of people on here - me included - who despair of the mentality that accepts the Big Boy's Jewish Book of Bedtime Stories and it's increasingly tedious sequels, but who would not advocate banning religion, even if we had the capacity.

You can disagree with someone's point of view and still respect their right to it. She can be concerned with animal welfare, be a vegan because of her own personal feelings, but still appreciate that people have a right to eat meat if it's humanely delivered.

O.

Nope, it's another witch, burn her as well

[jakswan]

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IDS is a disgrace to humanitarian politics, despised and loathed by all who have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart.
In other words, a Cameronite.

Not a fan of IDS but I do have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart, I despise and loath people who think they speak for me, you do not.

No, I don't.

Good man.

However, I do speak for the forty orr so disabled members of my local disability forum, who were of one accord in utterly condemning IDS and his Tory henchmen's policies toward those with disabilities, whether physical, sensory or learning disabilities.

You are an appointed representative?

[Outrider]

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

Or, unless you wanted someone to ensure that the abattoir abided by the animal welfare regulations that were in place?

There are any number of people on here - me included - who despair of the mentality that accepts the Big Boy's Jewish Book of Bedtime Stories and it's increasingly tedious sequels, but who would not advocate banning religion, even if we had the capacity.

You can disagree with someone's point of view and still respect their right to it. She can be concerned with animal welfare, be a vegan because of her own personal feelings, but still appreciate that people have a right to eat meat if it's humanely delivered.

O.

Nope, it's another witch, burn her as well

Are we allowed to toast marshmallows? Or are they too vegan?

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Are we allowed to toast marshmallows? Or are they too vegan?

O.

Only if they float

[jeremyp]

Well you wouldn't put a vegan in charge of the abattoir unless your aim was to close down the abattoir.

I don't mean that in a flippant way, maybe Corbyn's plan is to put the squeeze on the British meat production industry. Then it will be one of the policies by which he stands or falls at the next General Election.

How does Simon Rimmer manage to run a vegetarian restaurant when he eats meat.?

People who eat meat rarely have objections to eating or preparing vegetarian food.  Vegans, on the other hand, do have problems with most aspects of meat consumption.  That's the normal reason for being a vegan.

[Nearly Sane]

People who eat meat rarely have objections to eating or preparing vegetarian food.  Vegans, on the other hand, do have problems with most aspects of meat consumption.  That's the normal reason for being a vegan.

But does not mean you can assume they wouldn't run an abattoir efficiently.

[Shaker]

People who eat meat rarely have objections to eating or preparing vegetarian food.  Vegans, on the other hand, do have problems with most aspects of meat consumption.  That's the normal reason for being a vegan.

But does not mean you can assume they wouldn't run an abattoir efficiently.

One of the former heads of the British Pork Pie Marketing Board (or whatever its name was) was a vegetarian, as I recall.

ETA: That's what I was thinking of:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143615/I-dont-eat-meat-reveals-Melton-Mowbray-pork-pie-ambassador.html

[jeremyp]

People who eat meat rarely have objections to eating or preparing vegetarian food.  Vegans, on the other hand, do have problems with most aspects of meat consumption.  That's the normal reason for being a vegan.

But does not mean you can assume they wouldn't run an abattoir efficiently.

Given that most vegans are morally opposed to any kind of animal suffering, I would think running an abattoir would be anathema to them and the best reasonable course would be to shut down the abattoir in an orderly fashion. If one is appointed as the manager, it sends a certain message to the workers that they might not like.

This appointment sends a message to farmers and the public in general that meat farming and production is to be discouraged; the new shadow minister has claimed that meat farming is a waste of resources (not always the case, not all land on which you can farm animals is suitable for arable).

If that is the message that Corbyn wants to send, it is fine by me, even though I don't agree with it and I certainly wouldn't claim that this makes Kerry McCarthy unsuitable for her job.

[Outrider]

Given that most vegans are morally opposed to any kind of animal suffering, I would think running an abattoir would be anathema to them and the best reasonable course would be to shut down the abattoir in an orderly fashion. If one is appointed as the manager, it sends a certain message to the workers that they might not like.

They can be opposed to animal suffering, and therefore interested in animal welfare from birth through to slaughter - they can accept the realities of the food industry, and the freedom of people to eat meat without giving up the principles that guide their own choices.

This appointment sends a message to farmers and the public in general that meat farming and production is to be discouraged; the new shadow minister has claimed that meat farming is a waste of resources (not always the case, not all land on which you can farm animals is suitable for arable).

No, this appointment sends a message to farmers and the public that they have  a shadow minister that is interested in animal welfare and doesn't just see the financial bottom line. Meat farming is more resource intensive than other crops, and although not all grazing land is suitable for agriculture much of it is.

If that is the message that Corbyn wants to send, it is fine by me, even though I don't agree with it and I certainly wouldn't claim that this makes Kerry McCarthy unsuitable for her job.

But then, if you've decided what their message is before they've had the opportunity to tell you for themselves, then your judgment of her suitability for the job is just you being judgmental, not a reasoned response to the situation.

O.

[Anchorman]

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IDS is a disgrace to humanitarian politics, despised and loathed by all who have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart.
In other words, a Cameronite.

Not a fan of IDS but I do have the best interests of disadvantaged people at heart, I despise and loath people who think they speak for me, you do not.

No, I don't.

Good man.

However, I do speak for the forty orr so disabled members of my local disability forum, who were of one accord in utterly condemning IDS and his Tory henchmen's policies toward those with disabilities, whether physical, sensory or learning disabilities.

You are an appointed representative?

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Well, I'm chair, if that's what you mean.