Hell-fire

[trippymonkey]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

[Shaker]

Hope's in charge of the Assertatron today

[Hope]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you worried that, perhaps your choices here on earth aren't going to turn out as you hope, and want the option of a second bite of the cherry once after the death of your earthly body?

I am, and have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

I do not believe that a loving God would even consider overruling a choice made by an individual whilst here on earth.

[Leonard James]

So will your soul/spirit be robot-like, unable to choose its actions?

No Len, it won't be.  It will have made that decision/choice whilst here on earth.

But you said "As far as I am aware, choices need a mind to make and action them.  As far as I am aware, it is our soul or spirit that lives for ever, not our bodies and minds."

So if minds die with bodies, the soul loses the ability to make choices.

[Gordon]

...have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

Nope - nothing to 'hedge' against.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

Now you are being silly - dead is dead: no other 'choices' are available.

[floo]

Have just discovered something called "hell houses" it's a form of evangelism often practiced on children.

It a bit wooden to start with, but stick with it till the end for maximum effect.

http://youtu.be/ZDWdbrk96_U

How awful is that?


I hate that sort of thing especially if it's aimed at children.

I have heard of that ghastly nonsense before, it is evil. I am sure my sadistic paternal grandmother would have loved to have sent all her kids and grandchildren to one of those!

[jakswan]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you worried that, perhaps your choices here on earth aren't going to turn out as you hope, and want the option of a second bite of the cherry once after the death of your earthly body?

I am, and have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

I do not believe that a loving God would even consider overruling a choice made by an individual whilst here on earth.

You need to send me £500 because after your dead the bogeyman gets you, tell your pals.

[Leonard James]

Where is love and forgiveness in this?

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/Homophobia_Hell_House.pdf

I hate to say it, but these extremist people are mentally deranged. They should be restrained and given corrective treatment.

[floo]

This stuff is seriously sick

"you’re not familiar, Hell House is a Christian alternative to the standard haunted house. Instead of Freddy Krueger, these costumed evangelists scare the holy Jesus into you, literally.

In this house of horrors, being gay results in dying of AIDS and premarital sex can lead the homecoming queen down a slippery slope of prostitution. Youth groups visit and are led through a series of "real life" horrific scenes designed to create terror and revulsion. Hell House outreach manuals include astute tips on creating authentic abortion room scenes, such as: "Purchase a meat product that closely resembles pieces of a baby to be placed in a glass bowl."

In the end, Hell House patrons are asked to participate in a goofy ceremony and accept salvation by repenting their sins and trusting Jesus Christ – or face eternity in hell."

Same link.

And they let small children in.

small child bolts from one of the Hell House scene rooms and vomits. His mother is close behind. Throughout the night, other frightened children will also throw up."

That's awful.

I hope the police and social services would be involved if there were these hell houses in the UK!

[floo]

Where is love and forgiveness in this?

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/Homophobia_Hell_House.pdf

I hate to say it, but these extremist people are mentally deranged. They should be restrained and given corrective treatment.

The people who threaten others with hell-fire certainly have a few screws loose!

[Sassy]

We live now in the presence of God and we can call on him to help us.
He has warned us of the things to come but do you outside faith know Gods presence. There is a difference between being able to find him and never being able to find him because you chose to lock him out of your world and life.

So God is not limited.... Death has come to those who do not obey him or accept his free gift of forgiveness and eternal life with him.

Now you can seek him whilst he can be found. Once in hell or in the lake of fire he will not be found by those there. Yes he will still be everywhere but those in that place are there for eternity.



What a contradiction. He is everywhere but not for certain others.
FREE GIFT ?!?!? Are you serious ??
I'm not an 'outside faith' BTW It's soooo obvious ONLY Christians matter to you, maybe only CERTAIN brands of Christians too, eh

Of course God is everywhere but you choose even now whether he will be part of your life and effective in your existence or not.

People matter to me Christian is a name given as an insult to believers. No Jew or Gentile in Christ we are all one. Your false indignation and false insult and accusation does you no favours and does not make the fact you are looking for fight with your insults.

Whatever your faith is immaterial because TRUTH is what Christ came to bring.
How do you choose your truth when it comes to faith?

[Sassy]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you sh*t stirring because your faith gives you no Hope after you die?

You looking for a fight Trippy because no one here is interested in fighting over religion.
Your religion has nothing to support it, does it? Whilst the Christian and Jewish religion has a belief that comes from the beginning and the one true God YHWH. God is not answerable to man and never has been. He does not need manmade ways to protect his truth.

[Sassy]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you worried that, perhaps your choices here on earth aren't going to turn out as you hope, and want the option of a second bite of the cherry once after the death of your earthly body?

I am, and have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

I do not believe that a loving God would even consider overruling a choice made by an individual whilst here on earth.

You need to send me £500 because after your dead the bogeyman gets you, tell your pals.

Wouldn't send you 500 pence let alone 500 pounds lol..
Made me smile this morning. Thanks Jak...

[Outrider]

Of course God is everywhere but you choose even now whether he will be part of your life and effective in your existence or not.

HOUSE!!! Oh, wait, sorry... this isn't 'Assertion Bingo'?

People matter to me

Thank you, Sass. I disagree with pretty much everything you claim about gods and Jesus and the like, but on this I believe you. You come here, at least in part, because you want to help - thank you.

Christian is a name given as an insult to believers.

Sometimes, I suspect. Sometimes it's claimed as some sort of badge of honour (especially in the 'true' Christian claims). Mainly, though, it's used as a descriptor.

O.

[Sassy]

Where is love and forgiveness in this?

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/Homophobia_Hell_House.pdf

Rose, Give us a reason why you posted this and whose love and forgiveness you are referring to.

Don't confuse or identify the love of and forgiven of eros human with the agape love and forgiveness of God. They are not the same thing.

[jakswan]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you worried that, perhaps your choices here on earth aren't going to turn out as you hope, and want the option of a second bite of the cherry once after the death of your earthly body?

I am, and have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

I do not believe that a loving God would even consider overruling a choice made by an individual whilst here on earth.

You need to send me £500 because after your dead the bogeyman gets you, tell your pals.

Wouldn't send you 500 pence let alone 500 pounds lol..
Made me smile this morning. Thanks Jak...

Your choice may the bogeyman have mercy on your soul.

[floo]

Where is love and forgiveness in this?

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/Homophobia_Hell_House.pdf

Rose, Give us a reason why you posted this and whose love and forgiveness you are referring to.

Don't confuse or identify the love of and forgiven of eros human with the agape love and forgiveness of God. They are not the same thing.

No they certainly aren't, human love and forgiveness is nothing like that of the deity, which doesn't know the meaning of those two words if the deeds attributed to it in the Bible had any veracity!

[Leonard James]

Don't confuse or identify the love of and forgiven of eros human with the agape love and forgiveness of God. They are not the same thing.

Indeed they're not! Humans can love and forgive unconditionally, "God" will only do it if you love him back.

[Leonard James]

It's horrible!

Can you not see it Sassy?

Of course she can, but she'll find a way to wriggle out of it.

[Rhiannon]

It was kind of you to go to the trouble to explain that, Rose, but if it isn't obvious to someone why the stuff in your link is unloving then no amount of explanation will get them there.

[Sassy]

Hope
Why are you scaremongering when you have no real knowledge of what's to happen after you 'die'.

Are you worried that, perhaps your choices here on earth aren't going to turn out as you hope, and want the option of a second bite of the cherry once after the death of your earthly body?

I am, and have often been struck by the fact that it seems to be the non-believers here who seem to want to hedge their 'eternity' bets by challenging the idea that one's choices here on earth impact on how one's life after death works out.

As I'm said before, that smacks of insecurity in making choices.

I do not believe that a loving God would even consider overruling a choice made by an individual whilst here on earth.

You need to send me £500 because after your dead the bogeyman gets you, tell your pals.

Wouldn't send you 500 pence let alone 500 pounds lol..
Made me smile this morning. Thanks Jak...

Your choice may the bogeyman have mercy on your soul sole.

That's better...lol