'The Rapture'

[floo]

So Floo it seems to me you watched the channel 5 film Left Behind which is incorrect and wrong so Floo what rapture are you bloating on about and a scripture might be useful.

  ~TW~

I haven't watched the film, I have read some of those idiot books. For rapture read second coming, which is a nonsense scenario!

 Well that is wonderful news it shows your brain can see how daft it is,now we must hope that you and your friends might start to see you can produce,no evidence for other life in the universe,and no evidence for nothing producing life.So the good news is their is hope for you .

                ~TW~

TW the alcohol you are imbibing is too strong, water it down. I have no idea what you are wittering on about?

[Hope]

How does waiting longer help,as in the intervening time more and more people die not believing, so even if it came to a point where everyone currently alive believed, that number would be tiny compared to those that went before that did not.

It wouldn't be that tiny, BR.  Remember that, with the generally accepted figure of 2+ billion Christians as we write, and the historical figures, we're probably talking about 30% of the people who have lived since 33 AD being Christians.

[Hope]

I think the zombie theme is apt, have you not heard Jesus is alleged to have said 'unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you'.

The problem with this comment, jaks, is that the 'flesh' and 'blood' is bread and wine, and it is clear from Jesus' words that this was a pictorial not a literal reference.

[BeRational]

How does waiting longer help,as in the intervening time more and more people die not believing, so even if it came to a point where everyone currently alive believed, that number would be tiny compared to those that went before that did not.

It wouldn't be that tiny, BR.  Remember that, with the generally accepted figure of 2+ billion Christians as we write, and the historical figures, we're probably talking about 30% of the people who have lived since 33 AD being Christians.

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

[Hope]

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.  It would be interesting to do the maths and work out at what point that becomes a 'tiny' proportion.

[BeRational]

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.  It would be interesting to do the maths and work out at what point that becomes a 'tiny' proportion.

It's a big problem now!

Do you not care about ever growing number of people that die and are lost?

[Shaker]

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.

Oh, I think we can help you there with an educated and informed guess 

[~TW~]

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.  It would be interesting to do the maths and work out at what point that becomes a 'tiny' proportion.

It's a big problem now!

Do you not care about ever growing number of people that die and are lost?

 NO. Will not God do that which is right.Are  you concerned that you are hell bound,I get the impression you are not bothered.

 My message to you is mourn him now later Matt 24:30 will be too late mourn him today Rev 1:8

  ~TW~

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How does waiting longer help,as in the intervening time more and more people die not believing, so even if it came to a point where everyone currently alive believed, that number would be tiny compared to those that went before that did not.

It wouldn't be that tiny, BR.  Remember that, with the generally accepted figure of 2+ billion Christians as we write, and the historical figures, we're probably talking about 30% of the people who have lived since 33 AD being Christians.

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

I think it is ironic that the most atheistic atheist on this board has the supernatural gift of prophecy.

[Shaker]

No, Vladdypops, it's not prophecy, just a bit of basic maths

[floo]

But as time goes on more and more do not believe and die, and go into the ever growing pool of lost people.

Eventually that pool will be larger than the possible population of the Earth, so even if the whole Earth believed, the net loss is greater.

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.  It would be interesting to do the maths and work out at what point that becomes a 'tiny' proportion.

It's a big problem now!

Do you not care about ever growing number of people that die and are lost?

 NO. Will not God do that which is right.Are  you concerned that you are hell bound,I get the impression you are not bothered.

 My message to you is mourn him now later Matt 24:30 will be too late mourn him today Rev 1:8

  ~TW~

Get real TW, stop spouting complete TWADDLE!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, Vladdypops, it's not prophecy, just a bit of basic maths

.......Did anyone else hear the clipped staccato of an Orwellian villain?

[Shaker]

No, Vlad. Like much, much else, it exists only in your head

[Hope]

But still don't know exactly when Christ will return.

Oh, I think we can help you there with an educated and informed guess 

I doubt it; people have been making guesses for centuries.  The JWs have made 3 or 4 during my lifetime alone.

[Hope]

Get real TW, stop spouting complete TWADDLE!

He's only following in your footsteps, Floo.   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, Vlad. Like much, much else, it exists only in your head

But nothing exists in yours.....eh,Shakey

[Shaker]

I doubt it

Goooood! That's a start!

people have been making guesses for centuries. The JWs have made 3 or 4 during my lifetime alone.

You misunderstand - I said an educated and informed guess, i.e. one informed by evidence, observation and reason, so the loony fantasies of that motley crew don't apply.

[Hope]

Goooood! That's a start!

You're glad that I disagree with you? 

You misunderstand - I said an educated and informed guess, i.e. one informed by evidence, observation and reason, so the loony fantasies of that motley crew don't apply.

Sorry to disappoint you, Shakes.  The JWs have sought to use that very evidence, observation and reason to come up with their predictions.

[Shaker]

You're glad that I disagree with you?

Not in the way you mean. If you and I disagree it's a sign that I must by definition be doing something right, given the manifest aberrations of thought you exhibit almost daily. No, I was encouraged by your expression of doubt. Doubt - scepticism - are good things; only parts but vital parts of the only sure method we have for consistently, reliably, repeatedly and demonstrably ascertaining what's true.

Sorry to disappoint you, Shakes. The JWs have sought to use that very evidence, observation and reason to come up with their predictions.

No they haven't.

[jeremyp]

And when and how do you think the guy will put in an appearance?

When he is ready.

He's nearly 2,000 years late. When are you going to give it up as a bad job?

Why should I?

Because he's late.

It's unlikely he will come back in my lifetime,

Have you got scriptural support for that? It seems to me that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

[Dicky Underpants]

And when and how do you think the guy will put in an appearance?

When he is ready.

He's nearly 2,000 years late. When are you going to give it up as a bad job?

Why should I?

Because he's late.

It's unlikely he will come back in my lifetime,

Have you got scriptural support for that? It seems to me that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

Exactly. There are few texts that point to anything different. The notorious one in 2Peter 3 is a face-saving job, indicating that there were a large number of querulous people around at that time who thought he was a bit tardy in showing up.

[Alien]

And when and how do you think the guy will put in an appearance?

When he is ready.

He's nearly 2,000 years late. When are you going to give it up as a bad job?

Why should I?

Because he's late.

It's unlikely he will come back in my lifetime,

Have you got scriptural support for that? It seems to me that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

Would you please provide details. Jesus said he didn't know when he would return.

[jakswan]

And when and how do you think the guy will put in an appearance?

When he is ready.

He's nearly 2,000 years late. When are you going to give it up as a bad job?

Why should I?

Because he's late.

It's unlikely he will come back in my lifetime,

Have you got scriptural support for that? It seems to me that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

Would you please provide details. Jesus said he didn't know when he would return.

You were asked first.

[Alien]

And when and how do you think the guy will put in an appearance?

When he is ready.

He's nearly 2,000 years late. When are you going to give it up as a bad job?

Why should I?

Because he's late.

It's unlikely he will come back in my lifetime,

Have you got scriptural support for that? It seems to me that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

Would you please provide details. Jesus said he didn't know when he would return.

You were asked first.

It has been 2000 years or so since he said he would return. He said he did not know when he would return. I am 57. Let's say I live until I am 87. That gives him 30 years to come back and it has been 2000 so far. Therefore, it seems unlikely he will come back before I die.

That is my reasoning. It may or may not be very good.

Now perhaps you will encourage JeremyP to provide details for why it seems to him that most of the NT seems to think his return was imminent.

[Andy]

It has been 2000 years or so since he said he would return. He said he did not know when he would return.

His foreknowledge deserted him, did it?