The Russian Royal Family

[Rhiannon]

Still not finally at rest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34338802

[ippy]

Still not finally at rest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34338802

It did achieve what it was intended to do but I couldn't have gone along with it, it does mean a lot to a lot of people and I can't see it would cause any harm to inter them in pleasant surroundings as per the John 'Dunn's No Man is an Island', principles. 

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[Rhiannon]

Yes, I agree. Whatever the rights and wrongs of who and what they were, being shot and then finished off with bayonets was barbaric.

[Udayana]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

[Shaker]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

I'm inclined to agree. They were 'at rest' a short time after the bullets left the end of the barrel, to be blunt about it.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

It is a matter of respect for the dead. To rebury the entire family together in a suitable place, given the horrible end that they suffered, would bring some kind of collective closure.

[ekim]

As a tourist attraction, it might mean income for some people.  There was a lot of fuss over Richard III's remains.

[Outrider]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

It is a matter of respect for the dead. To rebury the entire family together in a suitable place, given the horrible end that they suffered, would bring some kind of collective closure.

Closure for whom?

O.

[Rhiannon]

The Russian Orthodox Church, presumably.

[Rhiannon]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

I'm inclined to agree. They were 'at rest' a short time after the bullets left the end of the barrel, to be blunt about it.

Or after being bayoneted.

It's not so much the bodies that I think of as being disturbed as the endless speculation and uncertainty which means the incident itself hasn't been put to rest. In that sense I think I am with Humph; from a personal point of view I just don't like not knowing.

If there is an afterlife the first thing I'm going to do is find someone to ask about the Princes in the Tower.

[ippy]

What difference does it make where someone or other is buried?

It doesn't make a jot of difference to the dead person but if helps those left behind it relieves some of the pain they're feeling, it would be so unkind if we didn't let people chose where they're buried, it's a kindness so why not?

My parents were cremated and their ashes scattered at a cemetery somewhere Just off of the London North Circular road, I haven't felt the slightest urge to go there, but that's me, it's a good job we're not all the same.

I've donated my remains to a medical school for student doctors to dissect, you never know they might learn something while taking me apart, that's what I want, I feel I'm doing the right thing but even then that's not for everybody.

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[Sassy]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

Their burial is immaterial when considering they need not have died....

[Maeght]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

None of the current members of the Royal Family were involved in that political decisions so should they carry the supposed disgrace? George V regretted his decision but he's long dead.

[Sassy]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

None of the current members of the Royal Family were involved in that political decisions so should they carry the supposed disgrace? George V regretted his decision but he's long dead.

They were family to the royals. They let down God and their own profession of faith. No one should forget especially our modern day royal family.

[Harrowby Hall]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

None of the current members of the Royal Family were involved in that political decisions so should they carry the supposed disgrace? George V regretted his decision but he's long dead.

They were family to the royals. They let down God and their own profession of faith. No one should forget especially our modern day royal family.

Do you make this up yourself, Sass?

Are you responsible for the actions of your grandparents?

Do you believe that children should bear the shame of actions of their parents and their parents?

Do you believe that illegitimate children should carry the disgrace of their parents' sexual indulgence?

In all probability, George V received advice from politicians that the arrival of the Romanovs in Britain would be the trigger for a revolution. If that's the case, shouldn't the children of the politicians involved also live with the disgrace?

[Maeght]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

None of the current members of the Royal Family were involved in that political decisions so should they carry the supposed disgrace? George V regretted his decision but he's long dead.

They were family to the royals. They let down God and their own profession of faith. No one should forget especially our modern day royal family.

There is a difference between forgetting and living with the disgrace though - which is what you said in your OP. They are no more personnally to blame than you or I. We shouldn't carry the 'disgrace' of what other members of our family did in the past.

[Shaker]

Our royal family have to live with the disgrace that they refused to let them come here to avoid them being put to death,

None of the current members of the Royal Family were involved in that political decisions so should they carry the supposed disgrace? George V regretted his decision but he's long dead.

They were family to the royals. They let down God and their own profession of faith. No one should forget especially our modern day royal family.

There is a difference between forgetting and living with the disgrace though - which is what you said in your OP. They are no more personnally to blame than you or I. We shouldn't carry the 'disgrace' of what other members of our family did in the past.

Sassy sounds like one of those low-rent journalists who used the alleged actions and beliefs of a man a century and a half ago to attack his great-great grandson today (i.e. Jeremy Corbyn). The same thing was done with Richard Dawkins a few years back when it was unearthed that one of his even more distant ancestors either owned or traded in slaves three hundred-odd years ago.

It takes a special kind of stupid to think that this holds water.

[Rhiannon]

Somewhere on my dad's side of the family in the past there's a distant cousin who owned a couple of slaves. I don't hold myself personally responsible for it.

[Shaker]

Somewhere on my dad's side of the family in the past there's a distant cousin who owned a couple of slaves. I don't hold myself personally responsible for it.

No, because that would be very, very, very silly.

[Samuel]

Well I think the whole business of having 'ancestors' is obscene, and should be discouraged

[Shaker]

Well I think the whole business of having 'ancestors' is obscene, and should be discouraged

That's going to be a tricky one to pull off ... 

[Rhiannon]

Well I think the whole business of having 'ancestors' is obscene, and should be discouraged

We might start worshipping them and all sorts.

[Samuel]

worshipping dead people? ...whatever next

[Outrider]

worshipping dead people? ...whatever next

We can't have that, it's probably unsanitary. Let's say... let's say they were dead, but they got over it? Or, how about, part of them's dead, you know the bits you can see and touch, but another part, an invisible part, that's still around...?

O.

[Shaker]

worshipping dead people? ...whatever next

We can't have that, it's probably unsanitary. Let's say... let's say they were dead, but they got over it? Or, how about, part of them's dead, you know the bits you can see and touch, but another part, an invisible part, that's still around...?

O.

Oh, come on! Who's going to buy that?