Scared of being questioned!

[floo]

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[Hope]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

[floo]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

[Hope]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

The problem is that often what you call 'questions' are unsubstantiated statements, and often that is then complicated by the fact that you use terminology that is, at the best, ambiguous.

[ippy]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

Well you know they've usually invested some considerable time and effort into this religion nonsense and there is a certain amount of social content in the investment they've made plus it's difficult when some have made this kind of commitment there will always be some loss of face if they allow themselves to admit their innermost thoughts about how they do at last realise how fallible the whole idea of there being some sort of super being in existence and of course there will always be those too pompous to ever admit they might have got anything  wrong.

As for the silly, prove there isn't a god thingy, how silly can you get, it doesn't matter how many times you might like to inform these people where they're going wrong or tell them they haven't quite got it, you know what the next question is going to be______________?   

ippy

PS Floo I had thought of saying in Hopes case where he can't supply a credible answer he will get picky about how you have presented your post, having read his last post to you, BINGO!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

Well you know they've usually invested some considerable time and effort into this religion nonsense and there is a certain amount of social content in the investment they've made plus it's difficult when some have made this kind of commitment there will always be some loss of face if they allow themselves to admit their innermost thoughts about how they do at last realise how fallible the whole idea of there being some sort of super being in existence and of course there will always be those too pompous to ever admit they might have got anything  wrong.

As for the silly, prove there isn't a god thingy, how silly can you get, it doesn't matter how many times you might like to inform these people where they're going wrong or tell them they haven't quite got it, you know what the next question is going to be______________?   

ippy

PS Floo I had thought of saying in Hopes case where he can't supply a credible answer he will get picky about how you have presented your post, having read his last post to you, BINGO!

Ippy have you got anything to say other than it's all rubbish?
Why do you think it's all rubbish?......Clue........''Because it is'' is not satisfactory.

[floo]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

The problem is that often what you call 'questions' are unsubstantiated statements, and often that is then complicated by the fact that you use terminology that is, at the best, ambiguous.

WHY IS THE DEITY CALLED A GOD OF LOVE? Is that ambiguous?

[ippy]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

Well you know they've usually invested some considerable time and effort into this religion nonsense and there is a certain amount of social content in the investment they've made plus it's difficult when some have made this kind of commitment there will always be some loss of face if they allow themselves to admit their innermost thoughts about how they do at last realise how fallible the whole idea of there being some sort of super being in existence and of course there will always be those too pompous to ever admit they might have got anything  wrong.

As for the silly, prove there isn't a god thingy, how silly can you get, it doesn't matter how many times you might like to inform these people where they're going wrong or tell them they haven't quite got it, you know what the next question is going to be______________?   

ippy

PS Floo I had thought of saying in Hopes case where he can't supply a credible answer he will get picky about how you have presented your post, having read his last post to you, BINGO!

Ippy have you got anything to say other than it's all rubbish?
Why do you think it's all rubbish?......Clue........''Because it is'' is not satisfactory.

Arr Vladicus I didn't use the word rubbish I like to use the correct word when describing anything while I'm sure I do get it wrong from time to time in this case I thought 'nonsense' was the right word.

Believing in anything without any sensible reason to do so, like the subject has no credible evidence to back it up, well?

ippy   

[~TW~]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

[floo]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

You are a LIAR, I certainly DON'T have nightmares about hell since I lost my faith. I had nightmares as a child about it! Describing the tortures a mythical hell to a kid is emotional abuse, and should be illegal, imo.!

[Shaker]

Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

Oh, I can beat that by months.

[jeremyp]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

The problem is that often what you call 'questions' are unsubstantiated statements, and often that is then complicated by the fact that you use terminology that is, at the best, ambiguous.

WHY IS THE DEITY CALLED A GOD OF LOVE? Is that ambiguous?

Because if you don't love him, he will condemn you to an eternity of torment.

[trippymonkey]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

The problem is that often what you call 'questions' are unsubstantiated statements, and often that is then complicated by the fact that you use terminology that is, at the best, ambiguous.

How strange as that's EXACTLY what I find with soooo many theists on these very boards ?!!?!?!?
Unsubstantiated statements ??!?!? That's what religion's all about, no???
Certainly with the three Abrahamic hodgepodges.

Nick

[ippy]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

"we all learn by asking questions". What happened in your case Just as a precaution I've got my tin hat on.

ippy

[~TW~]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

You are a LIAR, I certainly DON'T have nightmares about hell since I lost my faith. I had nightmares as a child about it! Describing the tortures a mythical hell to a kid is emotional abuse, and should be illegal, imo.!

Well it is deep in your mind nagging at you 24/7 every post you make as a hint of it.

   ~TW~ 

[~TW~]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

"we all learn by asking questions". What happened in your case Just as a precaution I've got my tin hat on.

ippy

I would get measured for an asbestos suit if I were you,make sure it's good quality get one for floo as well.

 ~TW~

[ippy]

Why do many extreme fundies/Biblical literalists seem so scared of being questioned about their faith?

Recently I have been on a couple of fundie Christian forums where I quite politely questioned why their deity was described as a god of love, and received the bum's rush very quickly.

Perhaps you could quote the way in which you 'politely' asked your question. 

I suspect if instead of blindly accepting it all as true, they allowed a question or two to creep in, they might find that their belief lacked any substance!

The more questions I and others ask, Floo, the more substance I find in mine.

I also suspect that a lot of fundies hang onto their faith as a form of fire insurance as they are terrified of the consequences if they kick it into touch! I think that applies to a few posters on this forum as well.

Do you have any evidence for that suggestion?  I have certainly met a few atheists whose arguments would suggest that they would fit your description - so, as we are all human, there are probably some religious people who do as well.

 Floo I think it is good you ask questions so you tell us the fundies run away,maybe they do not know for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

 Keep asking the questions floo we all learn by asking questions.I know you have nightmares about hell mourn him today floo don't wait.

              ~TW~

"we all learn by asking questions". What happened in your case Just as a precaution I've got my tin hat on.

ippy

I would get measured for an asbestos suit if I were you,make sure it's good quality get one for floo as well.

 ~TW~

What and take the risk of asbestosis.

ippy

[Hope]

...for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

As you know TW, I'm not on here all the time, so I don't always keep up with new posts on the various threads.  Perhaps you could tell me which post you asked me a question in, and I'll see if I can answer it.

[Hope]

How strange as that's EXACTLY what I find with soooo many theists on these very boards ?!!?!?!?
Unsubstantiated statements ??!?!? That's what religion's all about, no???
Certainly with the three Abrahamic hodgepodges.

Nick

I'd even go as far as to say that, with the exception of really simple Q&As, such as how do I solve a problem on my computer, or what is your opinion on ... most posts on here are unsubstantiated statements.  For all the apparent logic and rationality of issues to do with science, everything is largely based on fundamental assumptions by human beings with tendencies to confirmation bias about the nature of 'life, the universe and everything'.  For all the claims that scientists, and their supporters here make, there is absolutely no definitive evidence for any of the more complex, scientifically 'proven' ideas that have been doing the rounds since the early 20th century.  They are all predicated on initial human assumptions that haven't been removed from the calculations. 

As such, they are no more or less reliable than religious ideas.

The likes of ippy, Shakes and Len are determined that science should be society's guiding light - which of course makes for a constantly changing context for society as scientific truths change, albeit fairly slowly in most cases. 

[jjohnjil]

How strange as that's EXACTLY what I find with soooo many theists on these very boards ?!!?!?!?
Unsubstantiated statements ??!?!? That's what religion's all about, no???
Certainly with the three Abrahamic hodgepodges.

Nick

I'd even go as far as to say that, with the exception of really simple Q&As, such as how do I solve a problem on my computer, or what is your opinion on ... most posts on here are unsubstantiated statements.  For all the apparent logic and rationality of issues to do with science, everything is largely based on fundamental assumptions by human beings with tendencies to confirmation bias about the nature of 'life, the universe and everything'.  For all the claims that scientists, and their supporters here make, there is absolutely no definitive evidence for any of the more complex, scientifically 'proven' ideas that have been doing the rounds since the early 20th century.  They are all predicated on initial human assumptions that haven't been removed from the calculations. 

As such, they are no more or less reliable than religious ideas.

The likes of ippy, Shakes and Len are determined that science should be society's guiding light - which of course makes for a constantly changing context for society as scientific truths change, albeit fairly slowly in most cases.

If science hadn't changed as ideas were challenged, researched and experience dictated ... we would be believing all sorts of stupid things about tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes etc.

A bit like 2000 year old ideas about a bunch of Middle Eastern peasants' beliefs.

[~TW~]

...for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

As you know TW, I'm not on here all the time, so I don't always keep up with new posts on the various threads.  Perhaps you could tell me which post you asked me a question in, and I'll see if I can answer it.

 faith sharing
~TW~

[Shaker]

I'd even go as far as to say that, with the exception of really simple Q&As, such as how do I solve a problem on my computer, or what is your opinion on ... most posts on here are unsubstantiated statements.

Which is funny - oh, sorry; did I say funny? Apologies; I actually meant monumentally hypocritical - given that it's now some months that:

(1) Gordon, Rhiannon and I have been waiting for your "good reasons" that "homosexuality has been viewed with revulsion through history and across cultures," a point for which you claim to have made two A4 pages of notes many weeks ago,

and I specifically have been waiting for the substantiation of the charge that

(2) I have deployed the negative proof fallacy/argument from ignorance/appeal to ignorance anywhere at all, ever, even once and not just more than you as you have asserted

to name just two of the most immediately memorable examples of the umpteen unsubstantiated assertions you've made on this forum. Details available on request.

For all the apparent logic and rationality of issues to do with science, everything is largely based on fundamental assumptions by human beings with tendencies to confirmation bias about the nature of 'life, the universe and everything'.

Actually science is the best thing we have for weeding out confirmation bias. If you knew anything about science as you so regularly claim (an unfunny joke in itself) you would have known this already.

For all the claims that scientists, and their supporters here make, there is absolutely no definitive evidence for any of the more complex, scientifically 'proven' ideas that have been doing the rounds since the early 20th century. They are all predicated on initial human assumptions that haven't been removed from the calculations.

Are you going to provide examples this time specifically and explicitly of those things you're alluding to, or just cause another draught by waving your hands aimlessly around again?

As such, they are no more or less reliable than religious ideas.

This is one of those statements so divorced from reality that it entails that the one who makes it can only be a colossal fool or a colossal liar, with no other option. Science is reliable because of the self-policing methodology that underpins it. How's that methodology for your claims about reality coming along? You know, the one that you've been asked about innumerable times and which you've signally failed to provide each and every single time. Any sign of it yet?

The likes of ippy, Shakes and Len are determined that science should be society's guiding light - which of course makes for a constantly changing context for society as scientific truths change, albeit fairly slowly in most cases.

And what's your issue with change?

[Shaker]

...for example I ask Hope a question about 3 days ago and am still waiting.

As you know TW, I'm not on here all the time, so I don't always keep up with new posts on the various threads.  Perhaps you could tell me which post you asked me a question in, and I'll see if I can answer it.

I asked you questions with regard to backing up assertions you made months ago, which you have consistenty ignored ever since. Why should ~TW~ fare any better?

[jakswan]

Hope, you can't answer the question I put on those two forums, you always fudge it!

The problem is that often what you call 'questions' are unsubstantiated statements, and often that is then complicated by the fact that you use terminology that is, at the best, ambiguous.

There could be false premise in the question but it is not an unsubstantiated statement.

English teacher my arse.

[SusanDoris]

Good OP, Floo! I have been having a somewhat similar experience this last week or so. There was that video link posted here of an interview with Jerry Coyne, so I posed the question, 'What do theologians know, really know,  about God? on SofF. Mostly the responses concentrated on the first part of the question, and I did not put the second part in the title, so it's partly my fault, I suppose, but it has run to 202 posts so far!! You will not be surprised to hear that the number of facts about God remains firmly at zero!