Who Do You Think You Are

[Owlswing]

Women are abused the world over, Sriram. Crying 'racism!' every time abuse in India gets a mention does you no credit.

I didn't cry 'racism'. There is no 'race' issue here'. You are bringing in 'race'....not me.

I knew for a fact that HH was trying to bring up issues regarding treatment of women in India by highlighting a 65 year old incident which was quite irrelevant in any context here.  You claimed his innocence....and you couldn't help yourself finally! LOL!

It's strange you find stating facts about the abuse of women so amusing.

Relax, Lady Rhi, he cannot help it. To do otherwise would be to deny all that he has posted and he will not do that.

[Sriram]

In the UK Sriram families are a lot smaller and often it is parents who want to keep their independance.

Neither of my parents who are divorced want to come and live with me, they both value their independance to much.

My Dad is in his 90's now and is fiercely independant. He is getting frailer but getting him to move out of where he is now is going to be an issue as I think he will fight to stay there even if it ultimately becomes his demise.

My husbands job means I am not close, but fortunately he has some lovely neighbours.

My mother loves being where she is in a ground Floor  flat ( being disabled) with a garden she loves.

It would break her heart to leave it behind.

Neither of them want to go into a home, but they don't want live with me either.

What do you do?

We do value family in the UK, but just because people are old doesn't mean they don't value their independance.

It isn't quite like you seem to want to portray, Sriram.

Rose... you brought up your Indian friends and their mothers-in-law.  Not me.  It all not quite what you want to portray either....!  You need to see that too.

[Owlswing]

In the UK Sriram families are a lot smaller and often it is parents who want to keep their independance.

Neither of my parents who are divorced want to come and live with me, they both value their independance to much.

My Dad is in his 90's now and is fiercely independant. He is getting frailer but getting him to move out of where he is now is going to be an issue as I think he will fight to stay there even if it ultimately becomes his demise.

My husbands job means I am not close, but fortunately he has some lovely neighbours.

My mother loves being where she is in a ground Floor  flat ( being disabled) with a garden she loves.

It would break her heart to leave it behind.

Neither of them want to go into a home, but they don't want live with me either.

What do you do?

We do value family in the UK, but just because people are old doesn't mean they don't value their independance.

It isn't quite like you seem to want to portray, Sriram.

Rose... you brought up your Indian friends and their mothers-in-law.  Not me.  It all not quite what you want to portray either....!  You need to see that too.

I mentioned the Mother-in-Law thing as well, but you are ignoring my posts - you gutless coward!

[Harrowby Hall]

I knew for a fact that HH was trying to bring up issues regarding treatment of women in India by highlighting a 65 year old incident which was quite irrelevant in any context here.  You claimed his innocence....and you couldn't help yourself finally! LOL!

You knew nothing of the sort. You are so riddled with your own racism that you see it in other people. Your statement here is contemptible. It is also possibly libellous (I absolve the forum from any responsibility).

I watched a tv programme and was moved by the responses the situation generated in a sensitive woman. I was horrified by the sacrifices men and women endured following what was clearly a botched political decision.

[jeremyp]

I know that in Britain and in many western countries the 'family' has lost its value.

Clearly you are as uninformed about Britain as we are about India.

[jakswan]

As can be expected, many western people might see their own lifestyle as more progressive, liberal and superior....but we see it as self centered and indulgent.  So....each to their own life style and way of life.  No point is trying to make them meet.

Yes we in the west see the caste system as a barbaric.

[Udayana]

I know that in Britain and in many western countries the 'family' has lost its value.

Clearly you are as uninformed about Britain as we are about India.

One does wonder sometimes ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-34442716

"A daughter "kissed her mother goodbye" before being told she was actually still alive and hospital staff had got the wrong body, it has been revealed."

[Sriram]

I know that in Britain and in many western countries the 'family' has lost its value.

Clearly you are as uninformed about Britain as we are about India.

One does wonder sometimes ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-34442716

"A daughter "kissed her mother goodbye" before being told she was actually still alive and hospital staff had got the wrong body, it has been revealed."

Ha! Ha! Ha!.....Good one!  Very likely in Britain!! LOL!

[Sriram]

I know that in Britain and in many western countries the 'family' has lost its value.

Clearly you are as uninformed about Britain as we are about India.

Yes I was hoping he could share a few insights without taking a stab at Britain because of some imagined slight, but I was out of luck.

Rose,

Actually...there is nothing to share.  Its all about an attitude, not about information. All of us have all the information we need. We just need to see things in the right light.

HH may shout from the top of the roof that he meant no harm....but his thread has no context at all on these boards which is perhaps why he dumped it in the Science section.    The fact that Rhiannon picked up the issue of women being ill treated etc.....proves what the thread is trying to bring out. 

[Sriram]

I just found it interesting that two women both shared shared some cultural aspect about India when they came from different religious traditions.

I wasn't trying to portray anything, actually.

So then...it was not about the women being 'under the thumb' of their mothers in law who were 'ruling the roost'?!! Really?!

[Rhiannon]

It was a programme about the abuse of women in India. It's not surprising then that the discussion has been about the abuse of women in India. Had the programme been about the abuse of women elsewhere we would be discussing that. There have been various high profile rape and murder cases on India that have been reported over the past couple of years that have been discussed here but we also discuss our own failings such as in the Oxford and Rotherham abuse scandals, the Jimmy Savile cover-up, and right now the Ched Evans case.

You owe HH an apology.

[trippymonkey]

Do I need to remind people just what exactly THIS thread is-WAS all about???
Please all reread the title & the first post !!!

Nick

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

I don't know from where the issue of 'racism' has suddenly been brought up. This is obviously a straw man. I never called anyone a racist.

My issue  was with HH who is a past 'offender'... and who (among others) has several times brought up negative matters related to India into irrelevant threads.   I have already mentioned that.  I have no patience to dig them out now for your reference.

So....any thread started by him containing negative references about India and which is obviously out of context... is dubious and possibly a wind up. That is all it is about.

The fact that so many people are rushing so vehemently to support HH makes it all the more dubious IMO! 

If I repeatedly mentioned in irrelevant threads...

... the number of single teenage mothers in UK

... or school shootings in the US

... or black killings by cops in the US

... or the number of  married women (mothers) in UK and US taking up jobs in the porn industry to make ends meet

... or girls being kidnapped and kept as sex slaves for decades

... or young children being killed by their parents (in washing machines, beaten with rods, in microwaves, in hot car parks)

... or young girls raped by their step fathers or biological fathers helped along by the mothers

... or groups where designated persons are used to rape women in front of their husbands

... and many more such matters....

most of you will not like it and will raise objections, I am sure.   I am also doing the same thing....nothing more.

Cheers.

Sriram 

[Owlswing]

Hi everyone,

I don't know from where the issue of 'racism' has suddenly been brought up. This is obviously a straw man. I never called anyone a racist.

My issue  was with HH who is a past 'offender'... and who (among others) has several times brought up negative matters related to India into irrelevant threads.   I have already mentioned that.  I have no patience to dig them out now for your reference.

So....any thread started by him containing negative references about India and which is obviously out of context... is dubious and possibly a wind up. That is all it is about.

The fact that so many people are rushing so vehemently to support HH makes it all the more dubious IMO! 

If I repeatedly mentioned in irrelevant threads...

... the number of single teenage mothers in UK

... or school shootings in the US

... or black killings by cops in the US

... or the number of  married women (mothers) in UK and US taking up jobs in the porn industry to make ends meet

... or girls being kidnapped and kept as sex slaves for decades

... or young children being killed by their parents (in washing machines, beaten with rods, in microwaves, in hot car parks)

... or young girls raped by their step fathers or biological fathers helped along by the mothers

... or groups where designated persons are used to rape women in front of their husbands

... and many more such matters....

most of you will not like it and will raise objections, I am sure.   I am also doing the same thing....nothing more.

Cheers.

Sriram

What a load of rubbish.

What you are trying to defend is murder or suicide as a defence against religiously inspired rape!

[Rhiannon]

I think he's saying we're Indianist.

[Harrowby Hall]

CHALLENGE

My issue  was with HH who is a past 'offender'... and who (among others) has several times brought up negative matters related to India into irrelevant threads.   I have already mentioned that.  I have no patience to dig them out now for your reference.

So....any thread started by him containing negative references about India and which is obviously out of context... is dubious and possibly a wind up. That is all it is about.

Find the patience to identify and present the "several times" I have "brought up negative matters" about India - indicating why they are negative, providing appropriate evidence for your view.

Identify "any thread ... containing negative references about India" and show that it is "out of context", providing evidence why it would be "dubious and possibly a wind up".

You won't be able to. You have appointed yourself prosecutor, judge and jury in your own drumhead court and are manufacturing your own evidence.

You know nothing about me at all and yet you presume to know my thoughts, attitudes and opinions. You are exposing yourself as being very, very, foolish.

[Owlswing]

I think he's saying we're Indianist.

If defending women from the horrendous chauvenist values championed by Sririam is being Indianist - you're damned right I am!

Just becasue they are traditional and only practiced rurally does not mean they are in any way acceptable. IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM!

[jakswan]

Hi everyone,

I don't know from where the issue of 'racism' has suddenly been brought up. This is obviously a straw man. I never called anyone a racist.

My issue  was with HH who is a past 'offender'... and who (among others) has several times brought up negative matters related to India into irrelevant threads.   I have already mentioned that.  I have no patience to dig them out now for your reference.

So....any thread started by him containing negative references about India and which is obviously out of context... is dubious and possibly a wind up. That is all it is about.

The fact that so many people are rushing so vehemently to support HH makes it all the more dubious IMO! 

If I repeatedly mentioned in irrelevant threads...

... the number of single teenage mothers in UK

... or school shootings in the US

... or black killings by cops in the US

... or the number of  married women (mothers) in UK and US taking up jobs in the porn industry to make ends meet

... or girls being kidnapped and kept as sex slaves for decades

... or young children being killed by their parents (in washing machines, beaten with rods, in microwaves, in hot car parks)

... or young girls raped by their step fathers or biological fathers helped along by the mothers

... or groups where designated persons are used to rape women in front of their husbands

... and many more such matters....

most of you will not like it and will raise objections, I am sure.   I am also doing the same thing....nothing more.

Cheers.

Sriram

The theme of your posts very often is 'issue in Western society' in itself no major issue however when you say 'issue in Western society much better in Indian society' then you make a comparative statement.

This in turns suggest you are advocating that the Western society should be more like Indian society, so when we express an opinion that it isn't, e.g. the caste is system is disgusting, its a fair comment, in light of the discussion that very often you started.

Who Do You Think You Are is a popular TV show and this was quite a moving episode. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

[Owlswing]

Hi everyone,

I don't know from where the issue of 'racism' has suddenly been brought up. This is obviously a straw man. I never called anyone a racist.

My issue  was with HH who is a past 'offender'... and who (among others) has several times brought up negative matters related to India into irrelevant threads.   I have already mentioned that.  I have no patience to dig them out now for your reference.

So....any thread started by him containing negative references about India and which is obviously out of context... is dubious and possibly a wind up. That is all it is about.

The fact that so many people are rushing so vehemently to support HH makes it all the more dubious IMO! 

If I repeatedly mentioned in irrelevant threads...

... the number of single teenage mothers in UK

... or school shootings in the US

... or black killings by cops in the US

... or the number of  married women (mothers) in UK and US taking up jobs in the porn industry to make ends meet

... or girls being kidnapped and kept as sex slaves for decades

... or young children being killed by their parents (in washing machines, beaten with rods, in microwaves, in hot car parks)

... or young girls raped by their step fathers or biological fathers helped along by the mothers

... or groups where designated persons are used to rape women in front of their husbands

... and many more such matters....

most of you will not like it and will raise objections, I am sure.   I am also doing the same thing....nothing more.

Cheers.

Sriram

The theme of your posts very often is 'issue in Western society' in itself no major issue however when you say 'issue in Western society much better in Indian society' then you make a comparative statement.

This in turns suggest you are advocating that the Western society should be more like Indian society, so when we express an opinion that it isn't, e.g. the caste is system is disgusting, its a fair comment, in light of the discussion that very often you started.

Who Do You Think You Are is a popular TV show and this was quite a moving episode. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

The chip on Sririam's shoulder in the matter that he hates the fact that practices that the British and other Europeans attempted to stamp out as being barbaric still exist and the British and other Europeans still consider them barbaric is of such a size that, if chopped up into managable pieces, it woulkd supply KFC and McDonals both for years.

His consistent postings relating to the failings of the West strike me as being the attempts of someone with a huge inferiority complex to reduce the cause of their inferiority complex to a level that they can manage without conytinuing to feel inferior.

If Sririam concetrated upon the good things that India has achieved instead of trying to justify the negatives that still exist in India it would be better.

One of the things that needs to improve in India is the matter under discussion, the barbaric treatment of woman in the rural areas whcih no-one in a place of power in India seems to consider worth attending to; another is the horredous void that exists between the rich and those living at a level of poverty that few in this country can even concieve.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Sriram,
let me understand you. You don't like it when, after you put up a post critical of the west, I put up one about the same goings on in your India. And here you are doing exactly that. HH mentions a horror that happened in your country and you want us to focus on something bad going on in the west. I would laugh at you if this wasn't such a tragic story.

My parents close friends were missionaries in India for over twenty years. When their time in India was drawing to a close they came across a young boy who was living on garbage in the back streets of Bombay. You see his Hindu family kicked him out of the home when he was about 5 or 6yrs old. Why? Because this boy was an albino and his hindu parents believed he was full of bad spirits and because of his presence in their house, would bring bad things on the family. So after getting Chandra to a childrens home and a couple years of working through the maze of the Indian government, this boy was allowed to leave India for Canada and our friends adopted him. The last time I saw him he had grown up and was running our church's children camp. From what I have heard he is now blind but happy and well.

[Sriram]

Sriram,
let me understand you. You don't like it when, after you put up a post critical of the west, I put up one about the same goings on in your India. And here you are doing exactly that. HH mentions a horror that happened in your country and you want us to focus on something bad going on in the west.

Hi Johnny,

I am glad you admit that every time I post something critical of the west ...you put up one about the same goings on in India.  That was exactly my point. Thank you for that. At least you are honest. 

And it is not just you, there are some others who do the same too. No one else has however admitted it honestly....as expected.   

And this does not happen only when I discuss social issues of the west....it happens even when I discuss spirituality, reincarnation, karma and Hindu philosophy...someone or the other gleefully brings up some social issue in India as a means of putting me down. They don't seem to be able to stop themselves....its automatic.  LOL!  What a bunch!!

The point is simple. This is a forum started by a British person and most people here are British and some are possibly Americans. I am the only Indian here.  So...posting social problems related to the UK or US cannot be considered as unusual or unwarranted. When we are not discussing religion and spirituality here we should be discussing social issues related to these countries.

Posting issues connected to Britain or America...is not without context or without relevance because that's what this forum calls for and that's what the General Discussion section is for!  Merely because I happen to be an Indian does not in any way mean that I should not post problems connected to Britain or America in this forum.  They are perfectly relevant here regardless of who posts them.

On the other hand...how are issues related to India of any relevance to these boards and what do any of you know about India in the first place besides picking up random news items and taking delight in pointing out its problems??!! As you admitted...its just a way of showing me up.....nothing more. 

If 100 people in India who have never lived in or been to Britain, start off discussions about social issues in Britain...and if a lone British person tries to explain or defend his country....they start a tirade against him. That would be ridiculous and spiteful! That is exactly what you people are doing. 

And the fact that you have again chosen this thread to point out some irrelevant and perhaps 50 year old second hand information about a albino boy...brings out what I am trying to say. You are just looking for reasons to post such matters without any context or relevance and take delight in it.  And that is my objection.

Ok...I am done explaining myself here.   

Thanks & Cheers.

Sriram



 

[Owlswing]

On the other hand...how are issues related to India of any relevance to these boards and what do any of you know about India in the first place . . .

Sriram

It is about time you got shot of the "everybody is against me" chip on your shoulder; most of what the posters on this board know of India comes either from you or from the media, Western media frequently quoting India media, and you instantly jumping to defend you country, its population and its attitudes and practices with virtually no regard for the way in which these things are viewed in the West as being indefensible does ypou no credit.

Yes, the West has many things oin it's past that are far from commendable and, for the most part, we are not exactly proud of them but will admit to them.

The main point of criticism of your view of India is the fact that you appear to consider that practices such as those under discussion in this thread, condsidered by the West to be not only outdated but truly barbaric, are justified by the fact that India is a large place with places where modern civilsation and civilised values have not yet reached, or, where they have reached, have been rejected.

Added to this it should also be noted that there is nowhere in the West where western religions are the basis for violent and barbaric attempts to force those religions onto others who, quite obviously, do not want those religions. Let's dace it, the partition of India and Pakaistan was necessary because of the treatment of the minority Muslims by the Sikhs and Hindus.

You are, I have no doubt, truly sincere in you patriotism but you do, on many occasions, allow that patriotism to blinker you to the deficiencies in your country and of your countrymen.   

[jakswan]

Hi Johnny,

I am glad you admit that every time I post something critical of the west ...you put up one about the same goings on in India.  That was exactly my point. Thank you for that. At least you are honest. 

And it is not just you, there are some others who do the same too. No one else has however admitted it honestly....as expected.   

I've explained what I do so don't bracket me with JC.

The point is simple. This is a forum started by a British person and most people here are British and some are possibly Americans. I am the only Indian here.  So...posting social problems related to the UK or US cannot be considered as unusual or unwarranted. When we are not discussing religion and spirituality here we should be discussing social issues related to these countries.

Not it isn't and when you don't make a comparison to India I don't either.

Posting issues connected to Britain or America...is not without context or without relevance because that's what this forum calls for and that's what the General Discussion section is for!  Merely because I happen to be an Indian does not in any way mean that I should not post problems connected to Britain or America in this forum.  They are perfectly relevant here regardless of who posts them.

And I have said you shouldn't.

On the other hand...how are issues related to India of any relevance to these boards and what do any of you know about India in the first place besides picking up random news items and taking delight in pointing out its problems??!! As you admitted...its just a way of showing me up.....nothing more. 

What on earth are you on about, if you post an issue in the UK it doesn't mean you show me up, and vice versa, we don't run countries.

If 100 people in India who have never lived in or been to Britain, start off discussions about social issues in Britain...and if a lone British person tries to explain or defend his country....they start a tirade against him. That would be ridiculous and spiteful! That is exactly what you people are doing. 

We have a mix of posters here, I'll defend what I say, no one speaks for me apart from me. Apart from a few rabid Scots and you nationality is largely irrelevant to these boards. 

And the fact that you have again chosen this thread to point out some irrelevant and perhaps 50 year old second hand information about a albino boy...brings out what I am trying to say. You are just looking for reasons to post such matters without any context or relevance and take delight in it.  And that is my objection.

Fair point needs to be addressed to JC, I'm not defending him because he in no way represents me.

Ok...I am done explaining myself here.   

Nope.

[Nearly Sane]

We have a mix of posters here, I'll defend what I say, no one speaks for me apart from me. Apart from a few rabid Scots and you nationality is largely irrelevant to these boards. 

Irony alert! Irony alert!

[jakswan]

We have a mix of posters here, I'll defend what I say, no one speaks for me apart from me. Apart from a few rabid Scots and you nationality is largely irrelevant to these boards. 

Irony alert! Irony alert!

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