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Mass killings are contagious
« on: October 02, 2015, 04:07:04 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here is a study about mass killings being contagious.

http://us.cnn.com/2015/07/02/health/contagious-mass-killings-study/index.html

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Mass killings and school shootings spread "contagiously," a study found, where one killing or shooting increases the chances that others will occur within about two weeks.

The study, published in July the journal PLOS ONE, found evidence that school shootings and mass killings -- defined as four or more deaths -- spread "contagiously," and 20% to 30% of such killings appear to be the result of "infection." The contagion period lasts about 13 days, researchers found.

The spread they found was not dependent on location, leading researchers to believe that national media coverage of a mass shooting might play a role. On average, mass shootings occur about once every two weeks in the United States and school shootings happen about once a month, the study said.

"What we believe may be happening is national news media attention is like a 'vector' that reaches people who are vulnerable," said Sherry Towers,

Once "infected" with knowledge of a shooting from national media coverage, data shows that a person is more likely to commit a similar crime.

"When at least three people are shot, but less than four people are killed, the media reports tended be local," Towers said. These shootings that received local news coverage, but no national news coverage, did not have the same contagious effect, according to Towers.

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Cheers.

Sriram

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 05:05:02 PM »
Mass killings in the US will continue until they change their crazy gun laws!

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 05:23:24 PM »
Apparently he was an antitheist.

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 05:31:24 PM »
Apparently he was an antitheist.
Source?
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 05:39:20 PM »

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 05:42:05 PM »
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 05:42:42 PM »
Apparently he was an antitheist.
No I think he was anti-christian, or so it would appear.

But also apparently no atheist, as he is reported as saying: 'because you're a Christian you're going to see God in just about one second' - that makes no sense as a comment if you don't believe god exists. Also born out by his on-line profile where he described himself as spiritual but not religious, again something an atheist is likely to describe themselves as.
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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 06:52:37 PM »
I have just been listening to contributions from past and present BBC American correspondents. Jon Sopel says that official statistics for the period 2007-2014 show that guns were responsible for the deaths of 225,386 people; terrorism for "a handful".

So, guns are responsible for the deaths of about 30,000 people each year.

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 06:56:19 PM »
While I think the statement guns don't kill people, people do is fairly vacuous, treating guns and terrorism as if they are similar things and talking about guns being responsible for killings is very silly.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 08:44:41 PM »
While I think the statement guns don't kill people, people do is fairly vacuous, treating guns and terrorism as if they are similar things and talking about guns being responsible for killings is very silly.

I think the point is to compare the relative threat of general gun ownership with the relative threat from terrorists and then look at the response of the US government to each one. We find that given the harm caused by each, the responses are disproportionate.
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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 08:47:16 PM »
A terrorist can use a gun
 The idea of comparing a motivation with a way of killing is a category error

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 08:52:06 PM »
A terrorist can use a gun
 The idea of comparing a motivation with a way of killing is a category error
The category is "threats to the life and limb of American citizens". No category error.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2015, 08:53:57 PM »
Huge category error since it says suicide is equivalent to cars

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2015, 09:05:23 PM »
Huge category error since it says suicide is equivalent to cars

Nope. There are threats to people's lives and there are ways of mitigating the threats. General gun ownership in the USA kills people. Terrorists kill people. Even if you only count the deaths from accidental discharges of firearms, there's still a massive disproportionally in the responses.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 09:32:31 PM »
Which makes no difference to the category error. How us a motivation like a way of killing!

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2015, 10:50:35 PM »
Which makes no difference to the category error.
This imaginary category error of yours is bullshit.

Try engaging with the point instead of dismissing it.

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How us a motivation like a way of killing!
I wasn't talking about motivation, I was talking about two different causes of death: terrorism and accidental discharges of firearms.

Engage with the point.
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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2015, 12:56:20 AM »
Which makes no difference to the category error.
This imaginary category error of yours is bullshit.

Try engaging with the point instead of dismissing it.

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How us a motivation like a way of killing!
I wasn't talking about motivation, I was talking about two different causes of death: terrorism and accidental discharges of firearms.

Engage with the point.
I am. Causes of death such as comparing terrorism and guns would be witless. It's like saying knifes and murder are the same

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2015, 10:10:28 AM »
hmm, anyway the point of the OP was that these apparently random mass killings tend to inspire further acts, in clusters. Terrorism probably does the same.

I think this is basically because people are good at copying and adapting what they see other people doing.   This is a key element in the rise of civilisation, and will be in its demise.
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2015, 05:13:56 PM »
https://publicintelligence.net/mass-shootings-mental-illness/

The Oregon shooters mother, unfit and should go to prison. Neglected to get her son mental help and bragged about all the guns he was accumulating. 
To all those that read his threats on the internet and didn't bother to notify authorities, how do you feel about your inaction now? About 80% of these killers are mentally sick and people opted to ignore or look the other way, instead of getting them treated and get them on reality pills.
How the mentally ill are treated or not is where the solution is to be found. It would be interesting if somebody did a study comparing a high gun ownership nation, with very low to nill mass shootings, to the USA. How does Switzerland tackle mental health compared to the USA. Not a lot of mass shootings in gun loving Switzerland.

I have lost the last little thread of respect for Obama. Right after the shootings, before the victims were named and buried, he jumped in front of the cameras and used their slaughter to further his political agenda. That's no president, that is an opportunist and well, we know he was just the same way in his youth. Interesting that he never mentions the high gun crime in his home city of Chicago. Nope, complete silence about the daily murders. Chicago has tough gun laws and some of them were drafted by Obama. His tough gun laws have failed to stop or slow down shootings in his city. They are on the increase which is why the democrats keep silent about the failure of tough gun laws in Chicago.
 You can have your little rants at the USA and it's love of guns every time an ignored mental case goes on a shooting spree but that doesn't do a bit of good when the problem is how the USA deals with mental heath.
Just read up on all the info on this latest killer. I have a feeling that if he was in Switzerland, he would have been noticed and treated before he went this far.

 http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chicago-gun-violence-20140823-story.html

http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/chicago-gun-violence-eclipses-ucsb-shooting-media-silent-18894/

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2015, 05:19:53 PM »
I am.

No you are not, you are trying to shut the debate down with your spurious "category error".

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Causes of death such as comparing terrorism and guns would be witless.

Poisoning the well now.  We should call you the new Vlad.

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It's like saying knifes and murder are the same
Wrong. Terrorists are not murder, but they do cause people to die. US gun ownership is not murder but it does cause people to die.
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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2015, 06:50:01 PM »
Johnny Canoe

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I have lost the last little thread of respect for Obama. Right after the shootings, before the victims were named and buried, he jumped in front of the cameras and used their slaughter to further his political agenda.

President Obama faced America, and with courage, humanity and compassion sought an end to the insanity which cripples America.

He has no political agenda to further. His term of office ends next year, there is nowhere further that he can go. But if he can reduce the slaughter amounting to 30,000 of his countrymen each year because of their infatuation with firearms he will have done more than almost any of his predecessors.

You, on the other hand, condone the slaughter.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2015, 08:31:04 PM »
Let's be clear Harrow, this president has brought nothing forward. What he did do in Chicago has failed as gun killings are rising. He uses these killings to for his own politics, that's it. He has refused to ever mention the out of control gun killings in his own home city. Tell me why is that Harrow? He can't even wait for the victims to be named and buried before he makes this tragedy political. Shame on him and shame on you for going along with his self serving agenda. An agenda that has made Chicago with his gun laws, a complete and total FAILURE Harrow!! And shame on you for writing that I approve of that slaughter. What makes you blatantly lie about me that way? Because I call out the president's motives and tactics and failed laws in his own city, you believe that I approve of that slaughter? You could be a real politician, lawyer or car salesman there Mr. Harrow, because you so full of your own crap.

Rose,
I never said that all mentally disturbed people are potential mass killers. The fact is 80% of these killers in the USA have been mentally ill and anybody that ignores this fact is hiding their head in the sand. You tell me why the gun loving Swiss don't have these killing sprees and the USA does. I would suggest you look at the way their societies work and the way mental health is prioritized by the governments and the peoples themselves. Tell me why this mentally ill fellow was allowed to go without treatment? Why were his parents so negligent, and all that knew him. Tell me what is it with the society in the USA that people read his threats on the internet and nobody notified authorities?

I have always been clear that the USA needs more gun control but I will not ignore the mental health issue of it. And Harrow, as your blessed Obama was furthering his agenda so very quickly after the shootings, guess what? He brought up the link to MENTAL HEALTH.

Just a couple weeks ago a young man murdered his friend and his friend's little girl in a small town south of me. The man attempted suicide latter in jail and just a few days ago had come out of his coma. They don't know the extent of his brain damage yet. You tell me Rose that that murderer has no mental issues that were a factor in his killings.


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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2015, 12:59:53 AM »
Well Rose I did mention his negligent parents. Cut the sexist accusation crap, this is serious ok? His mom, whom he shared a one bedroom apartment with, had been BRAGGING about all the guns her mentally sick son had collected.
You still want to ignore the fact that mental illness is a key factor in these killings. That's a mistake Rose, even that idiot president realizes the role mental health has in this. And I put it to you that there is a big difference between European society and the American's. It boils down to how mental health is looked after and prioritized. Tell me Rose, how can an American read the killers threats and not bother to notify police? When the killer warned everybody in the Northwest not to go to school that day, NOBODY that read the threats called the police. How is that Rose? It has nothing to do with your childish reference to the OK corral, this is serious. If I came across threats, you better believe I would be the first to call the authorities. Not so in the USA, they would rather ignore or look the other way than getting involved.
For real Rose, I just betcha gun loving Switzerland has mental health at a much higher priority than the USA.

Don't ignore the mental health issue to these killing sprees, 80% of these killers had known mental illness. That's percentage is just to high to pretend outrage at my mentioning that serious and sobering fact. Oh and I just heard that the killer wasn't shot by the police. He committed suicide and wanted to take Christians down with him. Does that not sound mentally sick?

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Re: Mass killings are contagious
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2015, 07:24:40 AM »
A terrorist can use a gun
 The idea of comparing a motivation with a way of killing is a category error

Politicians have policies that deal with issues, gun control and terrorism both can be categorised as issues.

There is no category error.
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