Who created the deity?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It doesn't, since provided it is supported by an appropriate methodology you are perfectly free to present evidence that is mutually exclusive from naturalism - over to you.

So you have, but you've failed to demonstrate the latter.

naturalism doesn't have a methodology. When Nearly Sane led you down the methodology route he was merely afaddiddling  the distinction between methodology and philosophy. He belittled himself intellectually and you lot drank it in like saps.

It's a methodology and that's that...not an ontology.

[Walter]

There is no debate Hope ,it exists only in the minds of the religious who cant believe they are wrong.

[Gordon]

Not only me but others have as well, Walter.  As I've pointed out, they generally get dismissed on the very grounds that they are non-naturalistic.

Whilst I wouldn't claim wikipedia as a foolproof source, I found this opening gambit on reality interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

I can't see that the wiki quote helps very much unless you're interpreting it to mean that anything you think of might well be true.

[torridon]

Have you heard of non-realistic Christianity Maeght?

Had a quick read, that looks closer to plain atheism than christianity.

[Maeght]

Have you heard of non-realistic Christianity Maeght?

No, never heard of it. Doesn't really look like Christianity to me.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Another poster stated on another thread that we couldn't have come from nothing, so by the same token nor could the deity. 'He was always there', doesn't cut the mustard, imo!

He created himself.

Either that or it's all bronze age goat herders inventing a sky pixie who discriminates against women and gays and lesbians and trans and queer and questioning and Stephen Fry.

What worries me more is ...who created Peter Hitchens?

[Owlswing]

There is no slavery in the UK.

I think that you will find the odd case here and there and now and ten, but these days usualy only individual cases rather than a large scale trade.

Although it seems that people trafficing of individuals from the old Eastern Bloc countries into the UK for the sex trade is quite frequent.

[floo]

Bump!

For those who believe god is responsible for all creation, they still haven't explained who created god. 'God was always there', isn't an explanation.

[Udayana]

Talk about spoilers, really .. can't you wait 'til the end of the story? My bet is on Alan

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

For those who believe god is responsible for all creation, they still haven't explained who created god. 'God was always there', isn't an explanation.

Especially for you Floo. I think you should have been in the place of Michael Douglas here...

Falling Down - Whats wrong with the street?

[ippy]

I disagree with modern slavery but am aware that it has increased along with secularisation in this country. I have never kept slaves and don't intend to since it is not fine.

I note Vlad, you stil can't get your head around secularism enough so that you could at least begin to understand the basics of  it.

Ippy

[jeremyp]

I think that you will find the odd case here and there and now and ten, but these days usualy only individual cases rather than a large scale trade.

Although it seems that people trafficing of individuals from the old Eastern Bloc countries into the UK for the sex trade is quite frequent.

But it is illegal and nobody thinks it is a good idea except the criminals that make money off it.

[ippy]

What on earth has that got to do with this thread?

Does he mean Douglas Adams, the sort of thing I would do, I'm terrible with names?

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