Author Topic: Who created the deity? (Read 28694 times)

torridon · « **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2016, 07:20:56 AM »

Quote from: Brownie on October 27, 2016, 08:36:24 PM

I don't mind God being called, "She". The fact that Jesus referred to God as his father merely reflects the patriarchal culture into which he was born. God is a spirit and is neither male nor female so "She" is perfectly acceptable.

But surely 'it' would make more sense in that case.

floo · « **Reply #51 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:26:13 AM »

Quote from: Hope on October 27, 2016, 06:18:58 PM

What do you mean by 'a sensible answer', Floo? One that you accept as fitting your understanding? In view of the number of times you have dismissed eminently 'sensible answers' to questions you've posed because they don't fit your thinking, I can't think why anyone should bother with this thread.

God was always there, isn't a sensible answer, imo!

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #52 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:37:26 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 28, 2016, 08:26:13 AM

God was always there, isn't a sensible answer, imo!

But you have no problem with the universe having been always there?

floo · « **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:46:38 AM »

Quote from: I can't believe it's not Vlad. on October 28, 2016, 08:37:26 AM

But you have no problem with the universe having been always there?

The universe hasn't always been there, it evolved? I don't know how it came into being, but maybe one day science with provide the answer backed up by evidence.

Walter · « **Reply #54 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:58:41 AM »

what she said in 47

Walter · « **Reply #55 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:05:00 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 28, 2016, 08:46:38 AM

The universe hasn't always been there, it evolved? I don't know how it came into being, but maybe one day science with provide the answer backed up by evidence.

science, especially physics will provide answers to all our questions, eventually.

Sassy · « **Reply #56 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:11:33 AM »

It isn't acceptable, WALTER,
TO CALL God a she. Nor does any scientist, believe science especially physics will provide an answer to all questions.

But there are many people including scientist who believe God is the answer to everything.

Walter · « **Reply #57 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:20:06 AM »

Quote from: Sassy on October 28, 2016, 09:11:33 AM

It isn't acceptable, WALTER,
TO CALL God a she. Nor does any scientist, believe science especially physics will provide an answer to all questions.

But there are many people including scientist who believe God is the answer to everything.

But they would be wrong then.

Sassy · « **Reply #58 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:27:51 AM »

Quote from: Walter on October 28, 2016, 09:20:06 AM

But they would be wrong then.

But you have no proof of that do you? You mean you have a double standard. You and those like you who place their hope/faith in science.

If scientist say one thing which agrees with your belief it is right.
If scientist say something which disagrees with your belief they are wrong.

How does confusion give credence to either belief?

God a solid foundation he never changes his mind about anything in that what he says remains.

Do you think human elements are at play in your beliefs and cherry picking?

Walter · « **Reply #59 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:54:24 AM »

Sassy

I have NO BELIEFS in this context

BeRational · « **Reply #60 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:12:48 AM »

Sassy

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God a solid foundation he never changes his mind about anything in that what he says remains.

So your god still condones slavery although we now think it is wrong?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #61 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:15:00 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 10:12:48 AM

Sassy

So your god still condones slavery although we now think it is wrong?

"WE" don't though.........what about modern slavery?
You still have a quaint belief in secular progress.

Brownie · « **Reply #62 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:25:50 AM »

Quote from: torridon on October 28, 2016, 07:20:56 AM

But surely 'it' would make more sense in that case.

When you put it like that, Trent, I suppose it does. However, calling God "It" irks many people, they feel it is said, not to be precise but to be disrespectful. It's unkind to use terms that hurt people when there is no good reason for it.

It (no pun) doesn't bother me now, I vaguely remember it did some time ago but not now. So there's no reason why someone doesn't say (or write), "god" with a small g, or "the deity".

However what you say does make sense so I will not criticise the use of "It" now.

I reiterate what I said previously, God is a spirit and has no gender so, strictly speaking, no reason why he/she/it cannot be called "She", in my opinion. If someone comes up with a reason not to I'm prepared to listen. I use masculine terms for God because I'm used to doing so, Jesus did (for reasons already given), and I like the "father figure"; however, "mother figure" is equally as important. Some non-Christian religions seriously revere a mother god and no-one finds that odd.

BeRational · « **Reply #63 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:26:32 AM »

Do you agree with slavery and think it is fine.

I do not think slavery is moral, but your god does.

floo · « **Reply #64 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:40:42 AM »

Quote from: Sassy on October 28, 2016, 09:11:33 AM

It isn't acceptable, WALTER,
TO CALL God a she. Nor does any scientist, believe science especially physics will provide an answer to all questions.

But there are many people including scientist who believe God is the answer to everything.

If god exists why shouldn't it be a she? However, it is more likely to be genderless.

I doubt many mainstream scientists, if any, think god is the answer to everything.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #65 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:48:07 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 10:26:32 AM

Do you agree with slavery and think it is fine.

I do not think slavery is moral, but your god does.

I disagree with modern slavery but am aware that it has increased along with secularisation in this country. I have never kept slaves and don't intend to since it is not fine.

BeRational · « **Reply #66 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:03:47 AM »

Quote from: I can't believe it's not Vlad. on October 28, 2016, 10:48:07 AM

I disagree with modern slavery but am aware that it has increased along with secularisation in this country. I have never kept slaves and don't intend to since it is not fine.

But your god thinks owning slaves is fine and condones it in the bible.

You are your god disagree on the owning of people.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #67 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:08:58 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 28, 2016, 10:40:42 AM

If god exists why shouldn't it be a she? However, it is more likely to be genderless.

I doubt many mainstream scientists, if any, think god is the answer to everything.

floo · « **Reply #68 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:16:46 AM »

They might be religious but it doesn't say what their take is on how the universe was formed does it, unless I have missed something?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #69 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:30:57 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 11:03:47 AM

But your god thinks owning slaves is fine and condones it in the bible.

You are your god disagree on the owning of people.

But that is not an exclusive view.
Slavery is a feature of the Middle East in OT times.It cannot therefore be said as you are saying to be instituted by God.
Out of this though we find the deutoronomic code whereby the people of Isreal are commanded not to hand over fugitive slaves.
In the NT there are injunctions on people to stay in their places but their are many references about God not considering people as slaves, whatever their station.
After the New Testament some Christians are pro slavery but then so we're some free thinkers vis Thomas Jefferson.
Aquinus views slavery as part of post fall sin.
Modern secularist slavers obviously view it in modern secular acquisitive materialist terms I e in modern secular society the consequences are worth the risk. There is evidence too that forms of debt bondage will become acceptable in secular society.

BeRational · « **Reply #70 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:38:10 AM »

Quote from: I can't believe it's not Vlad. on October 28, 2016, 11:30:57 AM

But that is not an exclusive view.
Slavery is a feature of the Middle East in OT times.It cannot therefore be said as you are saying to be instituted by God.
Out of this though we find the deutoronomic code whereby the people of Isreal are commanded not to hand over fugitive slaves.
In the NT there are injunctions on people to stay in their places but their are many references about God not considering people as slaves, whatever their station.
After the New Testament some Christians are pro slavery but then so we're some free thinkers vis Thomas Jefferson.
Aquinus views slavery as part of post fall sin.
Modern secularist slavers obviously view it in modern secular acquisitive materialist terms I e in modern secular society the consequences are worth the risk. There is evidence too that forms of debt bondage will become acceptable in secular society.

Your god condoned it, he approves of it.

We do not agree with your god on the morality of owning another human being.

So we are more moral than your god.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #71 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:47:55 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 28, 2016, 11:16:46 AM

They might be religious but it doesn't say what their take on how the universe was formed does it, unless I have missed something?

if they are Christian they believe in a creator God

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #72 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:51:42 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 11:38:10 AM

Your god condoned it, he approves of it.

We do not agree with your god on the morality of owning another human being.

So we are more moral than your god.

We know God allows behaviour he disapproves of and which will receive full judgment in due course.
As for a human assessment of your morality......I'm afraid we only have your Sheldon Cooper like act on the Internet to go on.

BeRational · « **Reply #73 on:** October 28, 2016, 12:05:56 PM »

Quote from: I can't believe it's not Vlad. on October 28, 2016, 11:51:42 AM

We know God allows behaviour he disapproves of and which will receive full judgment in due course.
As for a human assessment of your morality......I'm afraid we only have your Sheldon Cooper like act on the Internet to go on.

He does not say in the bible that he does not approve of it. He condones it which indicates he approves of it.

He was quick to specify some things he did not approve of with commandments, but slavery and one human owning another was not one of them.
The bible simply has the morality prevailing at the time, almost like it was made up by the people of the time.

We are more moral than your god.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #74 on:** October 28, 2016, 12:14:36 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 12:05:56 PM

He does not say in the bible that he does not approve of it. He condones it which indicates he approves of it.

He was quick to specify some things he did not approve of with commandments, but slavery and one human owning another was not one of them.
The bible simply has the morality prevailing at the time, almost like it was made up by the people of the time.

We are more moral than your god.

Read what I wrote regarding the NT regarding slavery and the deuteronomic code.
No the bible has the NT statements and the deutoronomic code regarding fugitive slaves these are radical viewpoints in the prevailing economy driven world.

Modern slavery seems to have increased with modern secularism.
Your antislavery is rooted in Wilberforcian Christianity. The more you repudiate that the more prone the secularist becomes to modern trends.

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