Author Topic: Who created the deity? (Read 28762 times)

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #100 on:** October 28, 2016, 02:46:13 PM »

Quote from: Brownie on October 28, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

There is a wealth of information on the internet regarding translation and definition of the word, "Slave", as used in the Bible, giving background and context, if anyone cares to have a look. I was going to post extracts and links but there are so many of them I leave it up to fellow posters to decide if they are sufficiently interested.

Another word is "Eternal", as it is applied to God, but I don't think the definitions given would answer the questions posed here.

I've just seen a couple of recent posts. There is slavery here in the UK, even though it is illegal. Young people 'shipped' here with the promise of work and made to work as prostitutes, badly treated if they object, closely guarded. Children brought to the UK from other countries to be servants to relatively well off people, again not well looked after, not allowed to go to school or go out and often cruelly punished for the slightest thing. These practices, and others, are outlawed but they happen.

Link between churches and crime in cities is that they are often in deprived areas where criminal activity is high anyway. That's why most churches are locked up like Fort Knox most of the time but there are still break-ins and things stolen.

Does anyone know where British Humanist or National secularist offices are based? Did they ever have any mission which would have brought them into deprived areas. I know Marxists did in the twenties to fifties but well healed humanists?

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #101 on:** October 28, 2016, 02:52:11 PM »

Have started a thread on religion board.

BeRational · « **Reply #102 on:** October 28, 2016, 10:43:41 PM »

Quote from: I can't believe it's not Vlad. on October 28, 2016, 01:39:21 PM

You are denying modern slavery is going on then.
It is illegal because of Wilberforcian Christianity.

There is no slavery in the UK.

Maeght · « **Reply #103 on:** October 29, 2016, 04:32:43 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 28, 2016, 01:32:05 PM

Hmmmmmm, not every Christian is a Biblical literalist as I know for a fact!

What do they believe then if not that God created everything?

floo · « **Reply #104 on:** October 29, 2016, 08:30:19 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 10:43:41 PM

There is no slavery in the UK.

Why do assert that when it is a proven fact that some people are being used as slaves here in the UK?

floo · « **Reply #105 on:** October 29, 2016, 08:34:14 AM »

Quote from: Maeght on October 29, 2016, 04:32:43 AM

What do they believe then if not that God created everything?

They like the good things attributed to Christianity. There are a few clergy who don't believe god exists. I know of one rector, in particular, who stated that he didn't believe in god, a year ago, to a gobsmacked congregation! He still continues as a priest even though the high ups in the Anglican church know his views!

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #106 on:** October 29, 2016, 09:11:32 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 08:34:14 AM

They like the good things attributed to Christianity. There are a few clergy who don't believe god exists. I know of one rector, in particular, who stated that he didn't believe in god, a year ago, to a gobsmacked congregation! He still continues as a priest even though the high ups in the Anglican church know his views!

Did he take any questions on why he still wears his collar back to front?

Maeght · « **Reply #107 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:04:17 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 08:34:14 AM

They like the good things attributed to Christianity. There are a few clergy who don't believe god exists. I know of one rector, in particular, who stated that he didn't believe in god, a year ago, to a gobsmacked congregation! He still continues as a priest even though the high ups in the Anglican church know his views!

Not a Christian then.

Hope · « **Reply #108 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:08:48 AM »

Quote from: BeRational on October 28, 2016, 10:43:41 PM

There is no slavery in the UK.

If that is the case, why was this case even in court, BR?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-36332024
http://bit.ly/247fxw1

Or why are there academic articles like this one:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00824.x/full

Similarly, why is there the list of anti-slavery/anti-trafficking organisations on the Evangelical Association's website?

http://www.eauk.org/current-affairs/politics/modern-slavery/anti-slavery-groups.cfm

Hope · « **Reply #109 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:10:25 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 08:34:14 AM

They like the good things attributed to Christianity. There are a few clergy who don't believe god exists. I know of one rector, in particular, who stated that he didn't believe in god, a year ago, to a gobsmacked congregation! He still continues as a priest even though the high ups in the Anglican church know his views!

The problem is that there is no church mechanism for 'defrocking' (ie: rescinding the ordination of) such a person. Ironically, this isn't a 21st century phenomenon - its been happening for centuries.

Maeght · « **Reply #110 on:** October 29, 2016, 10:27:37 AM »

Quote from: Hope on October 29, 2016, 10:08:48 AM

If that is the case, why was this case even in court, BR?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-36332024
http://bit.ly/247fxw1

Or why are there academic articles like this one:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00824.x/full

Similarly, why is there the list of anti-slavery/anti-trafficking organisations on the Evangelical Association's website?

http://www.eauk.org/current-affairs/politics/modern-slavery/anti-slavery-groups.cfm

There's a new thread for the slavery discussion Hope.

floo · « **Reply #111 on:** October 29, 2016, 11:23:41 AM »

Quote from: Maeght on October 29, 2016, 10:04:17 AM

Not a Christian then.

Christian is a very broad term which covers a multitude of sins, some much worse than others!

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #112 on:** October 29, 2016, 11:29:38 AM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 11:23:41 AM

Christian is a very broad term which covers a multitude of sins, some much worse than others!

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Sassy · « **Reply #113 on:** October 29, 2016, 11:33:36 AM »

Quote from: Walter on October 28, 2016, 09:54:24 AM

Sassy

I have NO BELIEFS in this context

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Re: Who created the deity?
« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2016, 09:11:33 AM »

It isn't acceptable, WALTER,
TO CALL God a she. Nor does any scientist, believe science especially physics will provide an answer to all questions.

But there are many people including scientist who believe God is the answer to everything.

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Quote from: Walter on October 28, 2016, 09:20:06 AM
But they would be wrong then.

You said they would be wrong... so you clearly have beliefs whether negative or positive.

So clearly you do have beliefs what you do not have is any answers to sustain the things you speak out about.
So stop making one line statements which actually show you are running away and not facing the truth.
Should stop being a silly Billy and stop pretending you have actually doing anything but making up replies as you go along. You got caught out this time.

floo · « **Reply #114 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Sassy on October 29, 2016, 11:33:36 AM

You said they would be wrong... so you clearly have beliefs whether negative or positive.

So clearly you do have beliefs what you do not have is any answers to sustain the things you speak out about.
So stop making one line statements which actually show you are running away and not facing the truth.
Should stop being a silly Billy and stop pretending you have actually doing anything but making up replies as you go along. You got caught out this time.

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Like you do, do you mean!

Maeght · « **Reply #115 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:10:10 PM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 11:23:41 AM

Christian is a very broad term which covers a multitude of sins, some much worse than others!

Believing in God and the divinity of Jesus is surely retty fundamental to being a Christian. People may like to consider themselves christian (small c) but that doesn't mean they are.

Walter · « **Reply #116 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:32:23 PM »

Sassy

is English your first language?

floo · « **Reply #117 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:43:36 PM »

Quote from: Maeght on October 29, 2016, 12:10:10 PM

Believing in God and the divinity of Jesus is surely retty fundamental to being a Christian. People may like to consider themselves christian (small c) but that doesn't mean they are.

If you think you are a Christian you are, the definition is as long as a piece of string, as it is a purely human concept, imo.

Walter · « **Reply #118 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:47:22 PM »

Floo, you didn't need to put 'imo' at the end of that sentence.

BeRational · « **Reply #119 on:** October 29, 2016, 01:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Floo on October 29, 2016, 08:30:19 AM

Why do assert that when it is a proven fact that some people are being used as slaves here in the UK?

That cannot be as it is illegal.

Do you know of slavery anywhere in the UK.
Please do not redefine slave.

A slave is where one human becones the property of another

BeRational · « **Reply #120 on:** October 29, 2016, 01:13:29 PM »

Quote from: Hope on October 29, 2016, 10:08:48 AM

If that is the case, why was this case even in court, BR?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-36332024
http://bit.ly/247fxw1

Or why are there academic articles like this one:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2015.00824.x/full

Similarly, why is there the list of anti-slavery/anti-trafficking organisations on the Evangelical Association's website?

http://www.eauk.org/current-affairs/politics/modern-slavery/anti-slavery-groups.cfm

Slavery s illegal tell the police and it will stop immediately.