Who created the deity?

[Hope]

well you'd be wrong then

And where is the evidence for your assertion, Walter?  After all, even Jesus points out that there will be some who regard themselves as his followers who he won't recognise. 

[Walter]

Are you referring to that mythical character in that old book?

[Maeght]

well you'd be wrong then

Would you like to break your posting habit to date and actually put forward some sort of argument or engage in a discussion on this? Is written more than a 'one liner' too much for you to 'bothered with'?

[Walter]

I was responding to your two word one liner Maeght

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

I was responding to your two word one liner Maeght

Maeght didn't agree with what Floo wrote, which says or implies nothing about whether what Floo was right or wrong.

You however said that Maeght was wrong, which is rather more definitive. I'm one of those who would like to know why.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Slavery is condoned by your God and made illegal by our secular society.

Who do you agree with?

You've yet to demonstrate that God condones slavery so far it is mere assertion on your part. You also have to demonstrate that when it was made illegal in 1833 the UK was a secular society since it certainly wasn't our (yours and mine) secular society which seems to have increasing slavery.....

[Walter]

SOTS

because Floo made a perfectly good comment.
If you think shes wrong its up to you to provide the evidence to support your claims, not me

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

because Floo made a perfectly good comment.

Why is it a perfectly good comment?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

SOTS

because Floo made a perfectly good comment.
If you think shes wrong its up to you to provide the evidence to support your claims, not me

Because it's from an atheocentric point of view Walter and kind of gives atheists an image of being ignorant of the finer points of anything...you know, the Alf Garnett kind of atheism.

[Walter]

thanks for that I've gone all shy now

[Walter]

OKAY, VLAD and SWORD

lets stop with 'discussion' just tell  us the answer to 'Who created the deity.

off you go....

[Maeght]

I was responding to your two word one liner Maeght

Another one liner. No expansion, discussion or contribution. You said you'd been reading posts on here for around a year and have only just decided to post. Didn't you come up with anything to contribute in that time beyond one liners?

[Hope]

OKAY, VLAD and SWORD

lets stop with 'discussion' just tell  us the answer to 'Who created the deity.

off you go....

Did anyone have to create him, Walter?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

OKAY, VLAD and SWORD

lets stop with 'discussion' just tell  us the answer to 'Who created the deity.

off you go....

Vassler, I've already put forward two answers 1) We don't know and 2) He has been around for ever.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

OKAY, VLAD and SWORD

lets stop with 'discussion' just tell  us the answer to 'Who created the deity.

off you go....

So can the existence of God as per the Bible be assumed?

If not, the question is meaningless.

If so, God is eternal, i.e. without beginning or end, therefore not created.

[Walter]

Another one liner. No expansion, discussion or contribution. You said you'd been reading posts on here for around a year and have only just decided to post. Didn't you come up with anything to contribute in that time beyond one liners?

this is the Christin Topic section. I came here to find out why there are Christians because the whole thing makes no sense to me.
I am familiar with what you believe but  I don't know why. I was hoping somebody could tell me. Up to now I'm non the wiser.
thank you

[Dicky Underpants]

Believing in God and the divinity of Jesus is surely retty fundamental to being a Christian. People may like to consider themselves christian (small c) but that doesn't mean they are.

Ah! You've met a true Scotsman, then? The divinity of Jesus question being fundamental or not  has a long history, via Arius, the Unitarians, the Christadelphians and present-day Jehovah's Witnesses (all these of course not believing Jesus to be divine). However, they have considered Jesus in some sense of supreme importance, so if they want to call themselves Christian, I for one don't care (especially if they're people of the stature of Albert Schweitzer, who certainly wouldn't fit your criteria). There are doctrinal anal-retentives in all camps.

As for believing in 'God' - that's such an indefinable can of worms, but I suppose believing in some sort of creative force might be a minimum, but the Sea of Faith people think otherwise, and who am I to gainsay them?

[Maeght]

this is the Christin Topic section. I came here to find out why there are Christians because the whole thing makes no sense to me.
I am familiar with what you believe but  I don't know why. I was hoping somebody could tell me. Up to now I'm non the wiser.
thank you

If you really are interested in finding out why believers believe what they do then asking questions and engaging in discussions would be a good idea. I haven't seen any of that to date. You're clearly not familiar with what I believe either by the way.

[Walter]

tanks Dicky that's a start, anyway.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

this is the Christin Topic section. I came here to find out why there are Christians because the whole thing makes no sense to me.
I am familiar with what you believe but  I don't know why. I was hoping somebody could tell me. Up to now I'm non the wiser.
thank you

In addition to what Maeght said in #142, perhaps also consider starting a thread on the subject?

[Dicky Underpants]

If you really are interested in finding out why believers believe what they do then asking questions and engaging in discussions would be a good idea. I haven't seen any of that to date. You're clearly not familiar with what I believe either by the way.

We do however know that you consider it necessary to believe Jesus was and is divine, to be called a Christian.

[Maeght]

We do however know that you consider it necessary to believe Jesus was and is divine, to be called a Christian.

I'm suggesting it is - but if someone wants to make a good argument as to why that isn't the case I'm open to that.

[Walter]

If you really are interested in finding out why believers believe what they do then asking questions and engaging in discussions would be a good idea. I haven't seen any of that to date. You're clearly not familiar with what I believe either by the way.

why  anybody believes anything without evidence is totally alien to me. and I have no idea what you believe but the fact you have a belief at all seriously compromises my willingness to engage in any discussion about it. What I want to know is why you believe at all.

[Maeght]

why  anybody believes anything without evidence is totally alien to me. and I have no idea what you believe but the fact you have a belief at all seriously compromises my willingness to engage in any discussion about it. What I want to know is why you believe at all.

What do you think I believe?

[Dicky Underpants]

I'm suggesting it is - but if someone wants to make a good argument as to why that isn't the case I'm open to that.

Maybe someone should open a thread on the Arian heresy It won't be me, though I do know something about it - certainly more than Floo, who last time I mentioned it thought I was referring to the other word spelt with a Y and associated with crazy Nazi  ideas

I should warn anyone, though, that this might open the floodgates of Sassy's logorrhoea, since she is a latter-day Arian.