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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2015, 01:03:14 AM »
I agree.

But I doubt they will.

It will happen, but probably not in my life time. There will come a point where even they say enough is enough.
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2015, 12:44:57 PM »
It will happen, but probably not in my life time. There will come a point where even they say enough is enough.

Possibly.

But I think that time as you suggest, could still be a way off.
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #102 on: December 21, 2015, 09:18:54 AM »


It need not always be guns....they can use cars too! Are you going to ban cars then?!! ;)

http://us.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-hit/index.html

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A driver plowed into a crowded sidewalk several times on the Las Vegas Strip, injuring more than 30 people in what authorities described as an "intentional" act.

At least one person was killed and 37 others injured near the Paris Las Vegas Hotel on Sunday night, authorities said.

Authorities said the woman was driving down Las Vegas Boulevard before her car jumped onto the sidewalk and struck pedestrians.

She returned to the sidewalk at different spots and hit more people before barreling down the road, witnesses said.

Authorities ruled out terrorism, saying an initial investigation shows the driver did it deliberately.

"This was not an act of terrorism," Deputy Police Chief Brett Zimmerman said. "We are treating this as an intentional act."

The driver, who is in her 20s, went on the sidewalk at least three or four times, according to Zimmerman.

"The car rolled right in front of me. By the time I looked over to the right, all you could see was [her] driving away and people were bouncing off the front of the car," Nassar told CNN affiliate KLAS.

"She rode the sidewalk, she came to a stop at the Paris intersection, people are punching into the window ... she accelerated again and just kept mowing people down."

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« Reply #103 on: December 21, 2015, 09:26:48 AM »

It need not always be guns....they can use cars too! Are you going to ban cars then?!! ;)
It appears that the driver is being tested for drink and drugs.  If either of these come back positive, to what extent could she been deemed to have done this 'under the influence' as opposed to 'on purpose', I wonder?
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #104 on: December 21, 2015, 09:29:04 AM »
It appears that the driver is being tested for drink and drugs.  If either of these come back positive, to what extent could she been deemed to have done this 'under the influence' as opposed to 'on purpose', I wonder?

Drinks can make you hit someone accidentally. If you do it on purpose several times....it cannot be the drink (even if she was drunk).

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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #105 on: December 21, 2015, 02:43:43 PM »

It need not always be guns....they can use cars too! Are you going to ban cars then?!! ;)


Cars have uses other than killing people. A hand gun, or an assault rifle has no other purpose.

Furthermore, nobody thinks it is unreasonable for people to demonstrate their competence to drive a car before they are allowed to take one out on public roads.
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« Reply #106 on: December 21, 2015, 04:21:23 PM »
Cars have uses other than killing people. A hand gun, or an assault rifle has no other purpose.

Furthermore, nobody thinks it is unreasonable for people to demonstrate their competence to drive a car before they are allowed to take one out on public roads.

That's not strictly true.

I have used both and killed no one.
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #107 on: December 21, 2015, 06:06:13 PM »
That's not strictly true.

I have used both and killed no one.
In a public space or at a shooting range?
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« Reply #108 on: December 21, 2015, 06:08:03 PM »
In a public space or at a shooting range?

Shooting range.

I also own a shotgun but would never take it to a public place.

I was just noting that guns are not entirely for killing people.

They do have other uses that's all.
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« Reply #109 on: December 21, 2015, 06:12:18 PM »

I was just noting that guns are not entirely for killing people.

They do have other uses that's all.

I only said "handguns and assault rifles". To be completely accurate (excuse the pun) I should have excluded target shooting pistols, but the others are designed for killing people and so are assault rifles.
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« Reply #110 on: December 21, 2015, 06:14:52 PM »
I only said "handguns and assault rifles". To be completely accurate (excuse the pun) I should have excluded target shooting pistols, but the others are designed for killing people and so are assault rifles.

I have used pistols. Glock 9mm semi auto. Fantastic gun to shoot. Comfortable in the hand, little recoil very satisfying to shoot.
Not a target pistol its police issue in the US.
Great fun.

You should try it.
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« Reply #111 on: December 21, 2015, 06:28:51 PM »
I have used pistols. Glock 9mm semi auto. Fantastic gun to shoot. Comfortable in the hand, little recoil very satisfying to shoot.
Not a target pistol its police issue in the US.
Great fun.

You should try it.
If I get the opportunity, I will, but I will never carry any kind of gun outside a shooting range. They are simply too dangerous for civilians to carry in public (this is still just hand guns and assault rifles).
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« Reply #112 on: December 21, 2015, 10:23:39 PM »
If I get the opportunity, I will, but I will never carry any kind of gun outside a shooting range. They are simply too dangerous for civilians to carry in public (this is still just hand guns and assault rifles).

Hand guns and assault rifles can and are used for fun.

They do not have to be used to kill people.

That's hand guns and assault rifles.
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #113 on: December 21, 2015, 11:22:11 PM »
Hand guns and assault rifles can and are used for fun.
On a shooting range.

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They do not have to be used to kill people.
But that's what they are designed for.

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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #114 on: December 22, 2015, 12:59:34 AM »
On a shooting range.
But that's what they are designed for.


But they don't have to be.

I have great fun with guns, they are fantastic things dangerous, but fantastic.
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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #115 on: December 22, 2015, 10:32:15 AM »
A tin can on top of a fence post is the only shooting range I've ever used and will ever use.
I note with disappointment that there was no feelings of sympathy, from you anti USA types, for the victims in the latest Islamic terror attack in the USA. You all seem to save all of it for the victims in France that were gunned down using assault rifles bought in your EU.

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« Reply #116 on: December 22, 2015, 11:10:43 AM »

But they don't have to be.

I have great fun with guns, they are fantastic things dangerous, but fantastic.

How are they more "fantastic" than, say, a top of the range camera? Isn't this just a fetish?
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« Reply #117 on: December 22, 2015, 11:20:00 AM »
How are they more "fantastic" than, say, a top of the range camera? Isn't this just a fetish?

Guns are very dangerous, and the more people who own them the more dangerous a society becomes. Living in the US with its evil gun culture would be my idea of hell on earth. >:(

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« Reply #118 on: December 22, 2015, 05:00:46 PM »
 Flooo,
The Swiss say you haven't a clue about it. And the monkey sitting on the rock confirms it.
The Swiss have a gun culture, they had a referendum and won't give up their guns. They had a mass shooting years ago but they realize that giving up guns won't stop killers. GUNS can be bought in the UK, in the alleys of all your cities. Contact your local law enforcement and get educated on gunrunning in your nation. The Islamic terrorists got their guns in your blessed EU.
Canada, even with the scrapping of the long gun registry, has been seeing a continual DROP in gun crime.

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« Reply #119 on: December 22, 2015, 07:16:31 PM »
Living in the US with its evil gun culture would be my idea of hell on earth. >:(

I wouldn't describe it as evil. Stupid maybe. Evil no.
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« Reply #120 on: December 22, 2015, 07:30:34 PM »
Flooo,
The Swiss say you haven't a clue about it. And the monkey sitting on the rock confirms it.
The Swiss have a gun culture, they had a referendum and won't give up their guns.
The Swiss don't have a gun culture.

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They had a mass shooting years ago but they realize that giving up guns won't stop killers.

In the UK we had a couple of mass shootings a few years ago and we banned first all assault type weapons and then all hand guns. I think the hand gun ban went too far but I can't deny that we have had no mass shootings with either type of weapon since then. In fact the only mass shooting we have had since Dumblane was the Cumbria shootings which involved a .22 rifle and a shotgun (both still legal here and you wouldn't want to ban them because they have legitimate utility).

In the USA in 2015 they have averaged a mass shooting (involving four or more people killed or injured) at more than one per day. We have one per decade it seems.

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GUNS can be bought in the UK, in the alleys of all your cities. Contact your local law enforcement and get educated on gunrunning in your nation.

This is not a binary thing. It's not a case of guns either being completely unavailable or growing on trees. Guns can be obtained in Britain, but it is very difficult. Getting hold of ammunition is even more problematic and once you have your gun, you'd better not be caught in possession of it in  the street because that is a jail sentence.

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The Islamic terrorists got their guns in your blessed EU.
Canada, even with the scrapping of the long gun registry, has been seeing a continual DROP in gun crime.
Crimes of all types are generally dropping in the UK, but this is due more to social changes than the availability of guns.

Death from gun crime is absolutely correlated with the availability of guns as the USA proves. Read the following link and weep for the people killed by their gun culture.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
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Re: The USA and guns - again
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« Reply #122 on: December 24, 2015, 03:36:04 AM »
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« Reply #123 on: December 24, 2015, 03:47:26 AM »
Jeremy,
Actually the Swiss do have a gun culture. A gun culture doesn't mean American.

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/


http://bunkerville.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/swiss2.jpg?w=500&h=365

I've been to Switzerland several times. They do not have a gun culture. They are not rabidly anti gun control. They are not obsessed with self defence using guns. People don't walk around in the streets fondling their weapons.

Having said that, their figures would actually be considered terrible in comparison with the UK. They have four times our firearm homicide rate and nearly 18 times our suicide rate from firearms. I can't compare the accidental death rate because the UK doesn't really have accidental deaths from firearms.
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« Reply #124 on: January 05, 2016, 08:47:12 PM »
I wonder how long some of these actions will survive once Obama leaves office this time next year.

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