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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #125 on: January 05, 2016, 08:59:32 PM »
About the Swiss gun culture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #126 on: January 05, 2016, 09:12:23 PM »
About the Swiss gun culture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm
The first paragraph is outright wrong.

Switzerland firearm homicide rate per 100,000 = 0.23, UK = 0.06
Switzerland firearm suicide rate per 100,000 = 2.68, UK = 0.15
Switzerland firearm accidental deaths per 100,000 = 0.1, UK = 0

This is in spite of the fact that Swiss people are much richer than British people and they don't have anything like the social problems we have, so take your Switzerland gun culture and shove it up your arse.
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« Reply #127 on: January 05, 2016, 09:17:47 PM »
Well given some time I think gun owners will find these changes not bad at all. I definitely support more background checks, keeping criminals from legally buying a gun and more money towards mental illness and keeping those people from legally buying a gun.

"Requires inclusion of mental health information...in background check system..."

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« Reply #128 on: January 05, 2016, 09:20:04 PM »
Why deny a fact Jeremy. The Swiss have a gun culture, so does Canada. Even though France has much stricter gun laws than Canada, more people die by the gun in France per 100,000 than here.

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Re: The USA and guns - again
« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2016, 01:12:17 AM »
Why deny a fact Jeremy.
You tell me, why are you denying a fact?

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And quite a high death rate from guns.


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« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2016, 03:31:35 PM »
Now Jeremy, I don't care how many times you have gone to Switzerland to do some yodeling and milk some cows. The Swiss gun culture is not the American gun culture. In the same post you deny it's existence and then go on to tell me how a lot of Swiss, that do not have a gun culture, die by the gun. Too funny you. Gun ownership is very entrenched in the Swiss culture and if you were not so busy milking cows and yodeling you would be able to find that out on your next visit there. Yes it is entrenched in their culture and they see gun ownership as a part of their patriotic duty and identity as a nation. All true Jeremy, that has been to Switzerland many times.
I see that you are trying to muck the water here. If you remove suicide is your claim to death by guns in Switzerland so high? How are you UK men killing yourselves off lately? Pills?  Whatever.

http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2016, 04:15:26 PM »
I do find it both amusing and sadening that - with Obama declaring that he plans to do something about the culrure in the States (which is, of course, what this thread is all about) all we can manage is an on-going spat regarding gun-control in Switzerland and Canada (and perhaps France).
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« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2016, 05:04:18 PM »
I do find it both amusing and sadening that - with Obama declaring that he plans to do something about the culrure in the States (which is, of course, what this thread is all about) all we can manage is an on-going spat regarding gun-control in Switzerland and Canada (and perhaps France).

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What do you expect with an Anglophobe monomaniac on the thread?
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« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2016, 09:13:32 PM »
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I did comment. I think they will find the new rules and laws not hard to live with.
Yes jeremy and I are having a disagreement about Swiss gun culture. Let's not try and pretend other nations do not have gun ownership.

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Why can't you act your advanced age and quit with your childish name calling?
You call me an Anglophobe. I love the UK, I do not love arrogant Brits nor Canadians that look down their noses and target the USA for ridicule. You will note that nobody around here offered kind thoughts about the victims and families after those two Islamic terrorists slaughtered those Americans in San Bernardino. Just an opportunity for some here to spew on about guns in the USA. While the terror attacks in France brought sympathy and kind words from people here. No mention of the fact that guns are being smuggled into Europe every day. The UK rocks in my books Matty. So cut the childish name calling and blatant lying. You may find yourself happier.


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« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2016, 09:57:13 PM »
Hope,

What do you expect with an Anglophobe monomaniac on the thread?
But you've only just joined in, Matt  ;D
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« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2016, 10:43:50 PM »
Hope,
I did comment. I think they will find the new rules and laws not hard to live with.
Yes jeremy and I are having a disagreement about Swiss gun culture. Let's not try and pretend other nations do not have gun ownership.

Matty,
Why can't you act your advanced age and quit with your childish name calling?
You call me an Anglophobe. I love the UK, I do not love arrogant Brits nor Canadians that look down their noses and target the USA for ridicule. You will note that nobody around here offered kind thoughts about the victims and families after those two Islamic terrorists slaughtered those Americans in San Bernardino. Just an opportunity for some here to spew on about guns in the USA. While the terror attacks in France brought sympathy and kind words from people here. No mention of the fact that guns are being smuggled into Europe every day. The UK rocks in my books Matty. So cut the childish name calling and blatant lying. You may find yourself happier.


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I didn't see much sympathy for the French victims from the Americans, but that does not surprise me.
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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2016, 10:46:43 PM »
But you've only just joined in, Matt  ;D

Ho Ho Ho! Too funny you.

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« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2016, 12:06:12 AM »
Well we have something in common dear friend, I am a firm Anglophile as well. Queen and country and all!. Sadly you are living alone in your own little world Matty. There was lots of sympathy coming from south of the 49th. You hate America so I'm not surprised you were not watching American news.

Such an angry person you are.

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« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2016, 01:12:06 AM »
The Swiss gun culture is not the American gun culture.
No it isn't. They don't have people wandering around in public carrying guns. They don't have an obsession with some stupid right to bear arms.

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In the same post you deny it's existence and then go on to tell me how a lot of Swiss, that do not have a gun culture, die by the gun.
There are a lot of gun in Switzerland and unsurprisingly, a lot of people get shot by them.

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If you remove suicide is your claim to death by guns in Switzerland so high? How are you UK men killing yourselves off lately? Pills?  Whatever.
If you look at my previous post, you'll notice I gave figures for suicide, homicide and accidental deaths. You can answer the question yourself just by reading it.

In any case, I don't know why it is you think suicides don't count as tragic loss of life.
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« Reply #139 on: January 07, 2016, 09:17:24 AM »
Ho Ho Ho! Too funny you.
Well, in view of some of your (mis)interpretations of people's posts - something that has been relatively limited in recent days ...
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« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2016, 09:19:54 AM »
Are others getting the 'Join the NRA - Free Pocket Knife' ad?

I have sometimes wondered whether more opponents ought to join this kind of body, and proceed to vote against the main principles they espouse, at conferences and conventions.
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« Reply #141 on: January 08, 2016, 08:49:38 AM »

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« Reply #142 on: January 08, 2016, 10:35:16 AM »
The citizens in the US who support their present gun laws have a few screws loose, imo! >:(

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« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2016, 01:23:15 PM »
Who's got the guns-again

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/small-arms-survey-countries-with-the-most-guns-1.3392204

The comments made under the Switzerland listing are interesting . . .

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Switzerland is alone in Western Europe in its attitude toward gun ownership. Swiss men, all considered part of the militia after mandatory arms training, are permitted to keep their service rifles at home. In contrast to the Small Arms Survey figures, government numbers put gun ownership at about 25 for every 100 Swiss.


. . .  which drops them right off the bottom of the list.
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« Reply #144 on: January 08, 2016, 01:33:50 PM »


But even Obama who once said he will change the gun laws seems to now believe otherwise and only taking moderate and cautious steps....at least so it seems.

http://us.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-gun-control-town-hall-takeaways/index.html

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He re-affirmed Americans' right to buy guns, and even said his wife, Michelle Obama, turned to him while the two drove through Iowa during the 2008 campaign and said if she lived in a farm house with a sheriff's office far away, "'I'd want to have a shotgun or a rifle to make sure I was protected and my family was protected.'"

"And she's absolutely right," he said.

When Colorado rape victim Kimberly Corban said that owning a firearm makes her feel safer, Obama told her there is, "nothing we're proposing that prevents you or makes it harder for you to purchase a firearm if you need one."

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« Reply #145 on: January 08, 2016, 01:43:52 PM »

But even Obama who once said he will change the gun laws seems to now believe otherwise and only taking moderate and cautious steps....at least so it seems.

http://us.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-gun-control-town-hall-takeaways/index.html

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He re-affirmed Americans' right to buy guns, and even said his wife, Michelle Obama, turned to him while the two drove through Iowa during the 2008 campaign and said if she lived in a farm house with a sheriff's office far away, "'I'd want to have a shotgun or a rifle to make sure I was protected and my family was protected.'"

"And she's absolutely right," he said.

When Colorado rape victim Kimberly Corban said that owning a firearm makes her feel safer, Obama told her there is, "nothing we're proposing that prevents you or makes it harder for you to purchase a firearm if you need one."

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That's because he's well aware that America isn't a dictatorship, and even the enforcement actions he's suggesting for the current laws are facing strong opposition in the political system.

He's not reluctant to go further, he's reluctant to try to go further and get his arse handed to him by right-wing dingbats in the houses.

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« Reply #146 on: January 08, 2016, 03:08:15 PM »
He's not reluctant to go further, he's reluctant to try to go further and get his arse handed to him by right-wing dingbats in the houses.
If they are executive orders, to what extent can right-wing dingbats do anything to him?
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« Reply #147 on: January 08, 2016, 04:54:49 PM »
If they are executive orders, to what extent can right-wing dingbats do anything to him?
They can introduce or amend legislation to stop it.
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« Reply #149 on: January 08, 2016, 11:42:11 PM »
Dear matty,
What list are you writing about?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/small-arms-survey-countries-with-the-most-guns-1.3392204

Yes that one:

1. The U.S. has 88.8 guns for every 100 residents.

Barack Obama said on Monday that his plan to tighten gun control is "well within" his authority and remains consistent with the Second Amendment, Americans' constitutional right to bear arms.
USA-MILITIA North Florida Survival Group 2012

Members of a Florida survival group get ready for a training exercise near Old Town, Fla., in 2012. The group passionately supports the right of U.S. citizens to bear arms, according to its website. (Brian Blanco/Reuters)
2. Yemen has 54.8 guns per 100 residents.

The Saudi-led, U.S.-supported coalition in Yemen is enmeshed in a years-long fight against Iran-backed Houthi rebels, with al-Qaeda and ISIS exploiting the chaos to maintain a hold on the Arabian Peninsula.


Weapons belonging to the military are excluded from the Small Arms Survey, which is in part why Switzerland could rank anywhere from second to 16th, depending on whether the guns held by Swiss adults — many of whom are part of an armed civilian militia — count. In Yemen, access to accurate information poses a similar challenge to reporting.

3. Switzerland has 45.7 guns per 100 residents.

Switzerland is alone in Western Europe in its attitude toward gun ownership. Swiss men, all considered part of the militia after mandatory arms training, are permitted to keep their service rifles at home. In contrast to the Small Arms Survey figures, government numbers put gun ownership at about 25 for every 100 Swiss.



4. Finland is 45.3 for every 100 people.

Gun ownership in Finland is among the highest in the world, although crime rates remain among the world's lowest.
FINLAND high gun ownership rates




5. Serbia has 37.8 guns per 100 residents.

Bombed by U.S.-led NATO airstrikes in the 1999 war against forces loyal to Slobodan Milosevic, Serbia — which is steadily moving toward full ascension into the E.U. — re-entered the international arms market in the mid-2000s with deals to produce small-calibre guns for the U.S. arms firm Remington.
SERBIA gun ownership among worlds highest


6. Cyprus has 36.4 guns for every 100 people.

The Mediterranean island nation of Cyprus, off the coasts of Turkey, Syria and Lebanon, has had a tumultuous history that includes a continuing, and at times violent, territorial dispute between Cypriots of Turkish and Greek ancestry.
Turkish and Greek CYPRIOT violence


7. 35 guns for every 100 Saudis.

While firearms ownership and licensing are highly regulated in this country, Saudi Arabia is known to have a widespread black market trade in firearms.

8. Iraq has approximately 34.2 firearms for every 100 people...

But a total gun count is all but impossible after years of war following the 2003 invasion and 2011 pullout of U.S. forces. The Iraqi insurgency has continued as fighters from the Syrian civil war, as well as ISIS militants, have spilled into the country.
MIDEAST-CRISIS IRAQ forces backed by militia retake former Saddam fort from ISIS Oct 2015


9. Uruguay has 31.8 guns per 100 people.

For a country with only 3.3 million people, firearms possession in Uruguay is unusually high with some 605,000 weapons registered with the government, according GunPolicy.org. Nearly 89 per cent of Uruguay's registered gun owners are civilians, according to the defence ministry registry.
URUGUAY has a lot of guns for South America

10th and 11th place: Sweden and Norway have 31.6 and 31.3 firearms per 100 residents respectively.
SWEDEN has lots of guns hunter in Jan 2011


Right behind France, which has 31.2 guns/100 people, Canada places 13th on the Small Arms Survey list with 30.8 firearms per 100 residents.

CANADA 13th on Small Arms Survey list of guns per capita

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