Attitudes and behaviour.

[ProfessorDavey]

Oh piss off sassy.

I have only ever pointed out that the two words exist to describe the same game. You denied it. You were wrong.

And this site certainly testifies to the fact that the word soccer was widely used by the sport itself in the 60's.

http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/World_Soccer_1960.html

I must admit I can't remember soccer being a term actually used by fans in my lifetime, and certainly none of the people of my father's generation (born 1934) I knew who were football fans used it. Nor did my grandparents (born 1902 and 1910 and supporters of Burnley and Man C respectively). I think (as you point out) there was some use of the term in the media - news, magazine's etc but that's a bit different to it being the accepted term or a regularly used term by fans themselves. And you might want to ask who was running those media outlets that took an editorial decision to use soccer rather than football.

I'm not making the argument that it is used by fans - I never have used it - but was always aware that it was an alternative name for football which is what I have tried (in vain) to explain to Sassy.

Sure - but (as far as I can see) not one that was ever accepted by British football fans. Perhaps not even a term that was ever acceptable to British football fans.

[Nearly Sane]

Presumably it was acceptable to those fans having brekkers with or before champers /shampers maybe on their way to Twickers, possibly stopping off to piss on someone's bonners?

[jeremyp]

I ask again - where did I say that this discussion was about someone thinking that everyone should use the term soccer - I didn't.

You are adding 2 plus 2 and making 5, Jeremy.

I have pointed it out once. I'm not going to do it again. You may think your words do not say what they say, but they do.

[Udayana]

Presumably it was acceptable to those fans having brekkers with or before champers /shampers maybe on their way to Twickers, possibly stopping off to piss on someone's bonners?

Do they count as British? Maybe they could be considered to be the degenerate offspring of the old Norman overlords? Or German?

[Nearly Sane]

Presumably it was acceptable to those fans having brekkers with or before champers /shampers maybe on their way to Twickers, possibly stopping off to piss on someone's bonners?

Do they count as British? Maybe they could be considered to be the degenerate offspring of the old Norman overlords? Or German?

Buggered if I know.

[ProfessorDavey]

Presumably it was acceptable to those fans having brekkers with or before champers /shampers maybe on their way to Twickers, possibly stopping off to piss on someone's bonners?

In other words Charles Wreford-Brown and his amateur, gentleman's game, public school chums. Which is perhaps why it never caught on with the largely working class fans of the developing professional clubs that came to prominence during the 'battle' between the amateur and professional visions of the game in the 1880s and 1890s. And perhaps why Wreford-Brown and the term he coined were maybe seen as the villains of the piece.

Perhaps check out some of his antics that show how much he despised and derided the notion of professional football.

[ProfessorDavey]

I ask again - where did I say that this discussion was about someone thinking that everyone should use the term soccer - I didn't.

You are adding 2 plus 2 and making 5, Jeremy.

I have pointed it out once. I'm not going to do it again. You may think your words do not say what they say, but they do.

No they don't - again where have I ever claimed that owlswing (or anyone else for that matter) claimed that everyone should use the term soccer. I didn't.

Perhaps read what I actually said, not what you think I said. And perhaps if you are confused why don't you simply ask me to clarify what I meant.

[Gonnagle]

Dearest Diary,

Soccer, Rugger, Gonners hell those Oxford chaps had no imagination, and yes this is a very weird thread.

Gonnagle. AKA, Gonners.

[Owlswing]

I ask again - where did I say that this discussion was about someone thinking that everyone should use the term soccer - I didn't.

You are adding 2 plus 2 and making 5, Jeremy.

I have pointed it out once. I'm not going to do it again. You may think your words do not say what they say, but they do.

No they don't - again where have I ever claimed that owlswing (or anyone else for that matter) claimed that everyone should use the term soccer. I didn't.

Perhaps read what I actually said, not what you think I said. And perhaps if you are confused why don't you simply ask me to clarify what I meant.

AGAIN - see posts 334 and 352 - I repeat - ypou posted in 352

{quote] Clearly owlswing thinks football should be called soccer - why - because that is the term he choses to use himself - [/quote]

Now admit you said it!

[ProfessorDavey]

I ask again - where did I say that this discussion was about someone thinking that everyone should use the term soccer - I didn't.

You are adding 2 plus 2 and making 5, Jeremy.

I have pointed it out once. I'm not going to do it again. You may think your words do not say what they say, but they do.

No they don't - again where have I ever claimed that owlswing (or anyone else for that matter) claimed that everyone should use the term soccer. I didn't.

Perhaps read what I actually said, not what you think I said. And perhaps if you are confused why don't you simply ask me to clarify what I meant.

AGAIN - see posts 334 and 352 - I repeat - ypou posted in 352

{quote] Clearly owlswing thinks football should be called soccer - why - because that is the term he choses to use himself -

Now admit you said it!
[/quote]Admit what?

Sure I said that you thought that football should be called soccer, for the obvious reason that that's the term you have chosen to use. If you'd have thought hat football should be called ... err ... football, then you'd have called it football instead of soccer.

What I never claimed (yet what Jeremy P seem to think I did) was that you thought that everyone should call football, soccer, rather than ... err ... football.

Seeing as you seem to be wading in too - please point out where I ever claimed that you (or anyone else for that matter) claimed that everyone should use the term soccer. I didn't.

[Sassy]

Oh piss off sassy.

I have only ever pointed out that the two words exist to describe the same game. You denied it. You were wrong.

And this site certainly testifies to the fact that the word soccer was widely used by the sport itself in the 60's.

http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/World_Soccer_1960.html

Now you are telling pure untruths... You cannot stand being found in the wrong...can you.

[Aruntraveller]

Now you are telling pure untruths... You cannot stand being found in the wrong...can you.

You do know red wine late at night or early in the morning makes you post to threads that were dead and buried weeks ago.

I told no untruths - I gave evidence that football was called soccer, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar.

I don't actually care what its called - but ftr I have always called it football. I was only commenting on it because some people (you) seem to have an appallingly poor understanding of the English language.

[ippy]

So BA wants special privileges for Christians but expects to insult pagan beliefs with impunity.

Nothing new there.

ippy

[floo]

BA has been quiet for almost a month. Whilst I find his constant b*tching very annoying, to say the least, I hope his health hasn't taken a turn for the worst.

[ippy]

BA has been quiet for almost a month. Whilst I find his constant b*tching very annoying, to say the least, I hope his health hasn't taken a turn for the worst.

Not a very likeable person but I don't wish him any ill, has he got a problem Floo?

ippy

[Shaker]

Is anybody in contact with him personally and in a position to find out? Floo used to be but that was some time ago.

[Hope]

Wasn't he suspended for some time?

[Shaker]

Wasn't he suspended for some time?

Yes but not for long.

[floo]

I am no longer in personal contact with BA. He turned on me in a most unpleasant way, even though I had tried to be there for him.

He has significant physical health problems, but it is not for me to divulge them.

BA was given a 10 day suspension in December.

[Shaker]

December 11th to be precise, and he was last active on the 21st.

[Sassy]

You do know red wine late at night or early in the morning makes you post to threads that were dead and buried weeks ago.

I told no untruths - I gave evidence that football was called soccer, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar.

I don't actually care what its called - but ftr I have always called it football. I was only commenting on it because some people (you) seem to have an appallingly poor understanding of the English language.

The argument was not if the term soccer was used for football.
The argument was that it was an American term used for our English football. Which is football because their football cannot be called football in their country. We know and Knew the term soccer is what the Americans used to refer to our English football. But the fact remains I pointed out that FOOTBALL is the correct name in this Country and Americans football is really a form of our Rugby. That football was invented here and the term soccer came from America.

SO you were in the wrong because you said English football was called soccer here. But it has always been football here.

Americans invented their own variant of the game that they simply called 'football' in the early 1900s. 'Association football' became 'soccer' in America, and what was called 'gridiron' in Britain became simply 'football' in America

Soccer was invented as a word to differentiate between Association football and rugby football. However we call rugby...rugby and we call football ... football. It is mainly abroad like America and Canada who use the term Soccer for association football.

Football is football and rugby is rugby...

Oh and to be clear.. I am practically T-Total. I have to be alert for my daughter 24/7 as a carer.

[Aruntraveller]

Sassy

and the term soccer came from America.

Soccer is an English word created in England in the same way that Rugger was created. Do you not read what people post - not only me - but everybody else but you.

See also this for further proof:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/

Now please STFU.

[Sassy]

Sassy


Soccer is an English word created in England in the same way that Rugger was created. Do you not read what people post - not only me - but everybody else but you.

See also this for further proof:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/

Now please STFU.

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You still DON'T get it do it.... The USA and Canada use the word soccer. Where it started is immaterial.
We do not use the word it says.... MAN UTD FOOTBALL CLUB not SOCCER CLUB. Man City Football club NOT soccer club
Arsenal football club.... In America they do not use FOOTBALL they use the word soccer.

[Bubbles]

It should all be renamed

"Lots of men chasing a ball "

Sorted! 

As one man said

Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win.

Gary Lineker


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/garylineke422219.html#qHFktrvfhW8zqKXv.99

[ProfessorDavey]

Sassy


Soccer is an English word created in England in the same way that Rugger was created. Do you not read what people post - not only me - but everybody else but you.

See also this for further proof:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/

Now please STFU.

I fully agree that the term 'soccer' was created in England, but I have also posted extensively the reasons why it very gained acceptability in the football community within the country which invented it. For reasons that are reasonably obvious (to avoid confusion) it has gained acceptance in the USA and a few other countries.

There are, of course, other examples - we often think in the UK we get a taxi, while in the USA we get a cab - yet cab is just as much an English origin word as taxi. But for some reason taxi developed into the normally accepted term this side of the pond and cab on the other.

But the key point is that 'soccer' is not an accepted word (for the game football) amongst football fans in England - if someone talks about 'soccer' and is English you know instantly that they aren't really interested in football, and usual have a derogatory attitude to football.