Attitudes and behaviour.

[Aruntraveller]

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You still DON'T get it do it.... The USA and Canada use the word soccer. Where it started is immaterial.
We do not use the word it says.... MAN UTD FOOTBALL CLUB not SOCCER CLUB. Man City Football club NOT soccer club
Arsenal football club.... In America they do not use FOOTBALL they use the word soccer.

Sass

So were you wrong when you typed the following:

and the term soccer came from America

A simple yes or no will suffice.


Changing the goalposts now (see what I did there).

It's you who doesn't get it. I am not, never have argued that Soccer was used that widely - all I argued was that it was an English word created in England. That you have denied it previously and now changed the parameters by waffling on about american football (as if that's inportant at all) shows the paucity of your argument.

Prof please stop restating your point - I have not ever disagreed with you. ALL I have tried to point out is that Soccer is an English term created in England and was used here sometimes to refer to what the majority of us refer to as football.

[Sebastian Toe]

Soccer was used a bit in this country at least in some publications;

Soccer: The Official Journal of the Football Players Union (FPU)
Started in December 1947 and ran until at least March 1950.

http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/Soccer__The_Official_Journal_of_the_Football_Players_Union_1948.html


About Soccer Review (Football League Review)
The Official Journal of the Football League
http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/About_Soccer_Review__Football_League_Review.html

There are some others but its interesting that the two above were associated with those involved in the game itself.

[ProfessorDavey]

Soccer was used a bit in this country at least in some publications;

Soccer: The Official Journal of the Football Players Union (FPU)
Started in December 1947 and ran until at least March 1950.

http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/Soccer__The_Official_Journal_of_the_Football_Players_Union_1948.html


About Soccer Review (Football League Review)
The Official Journal of the Football League
http://www.soccerbilia.co.uk/acatalog/About_Soccer_Review__Football_League_Review.html

There are some others but its interesting that the two above were associated with those involved in the game itself.

The use of the term 'soccer' seems rather restricted to the 'strap line' on these publications. Indeed as you look at the headlines on articles and the text it seems that the term 'football' is actually used - so on one of the links the headline is 'They're black marketing in football'.

I've never been convinced that use went much beyond headline writers - who are often journalists responsible to editorial teams who may have had no interest in football, rather than an interest in selling papers and magazines.

From a headline writer's point of view Soccer is preferable to Football - it uses less space on the page (always important) and goes rather well with words like 'sensation', 'star' etc 'Soccer star love rat' just scans better than 'Football star love rat'.

But I really don't think soccer was ever really an accepted term in the real football community (i.e. fans, players etc) - certainly I cannot remember fans of my father's generation (born 1934) or his parents (born 1902 and 1910) and all football fans ever talking about soccer. It was always football, footie or just 'the match'.

[Sebastian Toe]

The use of the term 'soccer' seems rather restricted to the 'strap line' on these publications. Indeed as you look at the headlines on articles and the text it seems that the term 'football' is actually used - so on one of the links the headline is 'They're black marketing in football'.

I've never been convinced that use went much beyond headline writers - who are often journalists responsible to editorial teams who may have had no interest in football, rather than an interest in selling papers and magazines.

From a headline writer's point of view Soccer is preferable to Football - it uses less space on the page (always important) and goes rather well with words like 'sensation', 'star' etc 'Soccer star love rat' just scans better than 'Football star love rat'.

But I really don't think soccer was ever really an accepted term in the real football community (i.e. fans, players etc) - certainly I cannot remember fans of my father's generation (born 1934) or his parents (born 1902 and 1910) and all football fans ever talking about soccer. It was always football, footie or just 'the match'.

I'm not disagreeing with your general premise, just though that the publication names were slightly interesting.

Although we do up here have the additional option to use an even shorter word than 'soccer' to write headlines;

"Fifteen Fife fitba fans fling fireworks. Fiscal furious, all fined a fiver."

[ProfessorDavey]

I'm not disagreeing with your general premise, just though that the publication names were slightly interesting.

Although we do up here have the additional option to use an even shorter word than 'soccer' to write headlines;

"Fifteen Fife fitba fans fling fireworks. Fiscal furious, all fined a fiver."

The best of course is a very, very long word (or perhaps two words), namely:

SuperCaliGoBallisticCelticAreAtrocious

[Nearly Sane]

The best of course is a very, very long word (or perhaps two words), namely:

SuperCaliGoBallisticCelticAreAtrocious

There was one last year about the other part of the Old Firm when it looked as if Mike Ashley had got Ibrox as part of his loan which went Today's the day the Teddy Bears got their pitch nicked

[Nearly Sane]

And not a headline, also difficult to do on the page, but Celtic at one time had a player called Annoni, and the claim is that at one time when he was brought on as a substitute, one fan not enamoured of the choice or indeed the progress of the match exclaimed 'Aw naw, no Annoni oan an'a noo!'

[Nearly Sane]

And while we are oan Sellic
The scene is a Glasgow court and a witness (a ned) is being questioned by a rather plummy mouthed Advocate Depute (AD)
AD 'You say you went to your friend's house that night. Why did you go there?'
WITNESS 'Tae get a tap.'
AD 'Is your friend a plumber?'
WITNESS 'Naw.'
AD 'Are you a plumber?'
WITNESS 'Naw.'
The witness is a bit bewildered by this line of questioning and the AD realises it, but notices that the court police officer is rubbing his fingers of one hand together in the universal gesture of money. Daylight apparently dawns on the AD and he changes his line of questioning accordingly.
AD 'So you went to the house to borrow money?'
WITNESS 'Naw.'
AD 'Ah. You went to the house to lend money?'
WITNESS 'Naw.'
In exasperation the AD says, 'You told the court you went to your friend's house for a tap. What kind of a tap was it?'


WITNESS 'A Sellic tap.'

[Sassy]

It should all be renamed

"Lots of men chasing a ball "

Sorted! 

As one man said

The truth is there is more than one ball and all could say it is a game for 22 men and it's all balls to some...

[Sassy]

Sass

So were you wrong when you typed the following:

A simple yes or no will suffice.


Changing the goalposts now (see what I did there).

It's you who doesn't get it. I am not, never have argued that Soccer was used that widely - all I argued was that it was an English word created in England. That you have denied it previously and now changed the parameters by waffling on about american football (as if that's inportant at all) shows the paucity of your argument.

Prof please stop restating your point - I have not ever disagreed with you. ALL I have tried to point out is that Soccer is an English term created in England and was used here sometimes to refer to what the majority of us refer to as football.

I also said all the things quoted below...

We are not talking origins of word. It is a fact that Soccer is the American word for our FOOTBALL the true football. Now I could go through all the additions to the Oxford
 dictionaries but they WON'T give you origin of word or when first used. It will say when first added,
I have to go from my experience and the fact that football was always football here and in America Soccer.


Not wrong at all.. Football has always ORIGINALLY been called football here.
Soccer is the Americans word for it.


I think Scotland was where the first real football started and I could be wrong. But soccer is not really English in that the Americans took it from here and obviously changed the  name because of their American football.
 I think the words foot and ball give the game it's original name and reason it was called so,

Note it does NOT say they made the word up...

So maybe you should read all my posts for contents...

[Aruntraveller]

I also said all the things quoted below...


Note it does NOT say they made the word up...

So maybe you should read all my posts for contents...

Ah the sound of shifting goalposts. (As I previously pointed out)

PS There is no discernible content in most of your posts.

[Sassy]

Ah the sound of shifting goalposts. (As I previously pointed out)

PS There is no discernible content in most of your posts.

Which CHristian bits are you referring to?
Or are you unable to discern this bit...

King James Bible
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Your reason for not being able to discern the contents of my posts is your lack of ability to see the truth or retain it in your brain. Of course the cross and Christ would appear foolish to you. As a Christian writing you shudda thunk that it would reveal the truth to you, albeit that you would see it as foolish.

I guess even up against Gods word you lose....

[Leonard James]

Sass, you really must try to understand the fact that the human mind can be fooled, especially when the delusion is implanted during infancy and continually hammered home.

That is exactly what you suffer from.

[King Oberon]

You seem confused?

You do know your one of the most obnoxious posters on here don't you BA?

Didn't read you OP as usual it will just be you whining about how no-one takes you seriously and how disrespectful we are if we don't agree with your view of the world. 

Samo samo.

[Sassy]

Sass, you really must try to understand the fact that the human mind can be fooled, especially when the delusion is implanted during infancy and continually hammered home.

That is exactly what you suffer from.

Human minds are deceitful and deceptive... they offer their double standards.
But God doesn't he offers love and truth when all around people are full of hatred, lies and loathing for others.
The only true delusion is man thinks no one else can see the real hatred for their fellow man which they hide behind empty words. The tell you they love you as they gently stick the knife in your back.

The delusions and illusions are mans own deceptiveness and unwillingness to admit their own attitude and behaviour is wrong.

God gives man a choice. Man will act on it according to his own heart and thoughts,.

[horsethorn]

Human minds are deceitful and deceptive...

So how do you know the writers of the bible can be trusted?

ht

[floo]

Human minds are deceitful and deceptive... they offer their double standards.
But God doesn't he offers love and truth when all around people are full of hatred, lies and loathing for others.
The only true delusion is man thinks no one else can see the real hatred for their fellow man which they hide behind empty words. The tell you they love you as they gently stick the knife in your back.

The delusions and illusions are mans own deceptiveness and unwillingness to admit their own attitude and behaviour is wrong.

God gives man a choice. Man will act on it according to his own heart and thoughts,.

Assertions, not facts.

[Hope]

Sass, you really must try to understand the fact that the human mind can be fooled, especially when the delusion is implanted during infancy and continually hammered home.

That is exactly what you suffer from.

And, of course Len, there would seem to be an increasing number of children who are having the delusion that there is no such thing as a god 'implanted during infancy and continually hammered home'.

[Hope]

You seem confused?

You do know your one of the most obnoxious posters on here don't you BA?

Didn't read you OP as usual it will just be you whining about how no-one takes you seriously and how disrespectful we are if we don't agree with your view of the world. 

Samo samo.

It might be worth your reading the OP, then KO.  It might also be worth your noting that BA hasn't posted/been active here since December 2015.

[Stranger]

And, of course Len, there would seem to be an increasing number of children who are having the delusion that there is no such thing as a god 'implanted during infancy and continually hammered home'.

If you could supply even a hint of evidence or reasoning to support the idea that there is a god, then you might be in a position to describe disbelief and an delusion, until then....

[floo]

And, of course Len, there would seem to be an increasing number of children who are having the delusion that there is no such thing as a god 'implanted during infancy and continually hammered home'.

As there is no evidence to support the existence of a god, you have never present any, that is the default position. However, as I have stated before, kids should be permitted to make up their own minds about the topic.

[Hope]

If you could supply even a hint of evidence or reasoning to support the idea that there is a god, then you might be in a position to describe disbelief and an delusion, until then....

SKoS, good to see the 'cracked record' being dragged out yet again.  Put mildly, the evidence is all around you; the orderedness that science is continually producing evidence of is just one of the bits of evidence.

However, perhaps more pertinent to Len's post that I was responding to, I have yet to see any evidence that supports what such children are having 'implanted during infancy'.  It is one thing to use the argument of uncertainty for yourself, a completely different thing to use that as the basis for teaching the next generation.


The fact that there are those who never professed a faith in their youth, let alone were brought up in one, but who are now religious suggests that the honest way ahead is for children to be presented with the full range of understandings and allowed to make up their own minds.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Put mildly, the evidence is all around you; the orderedness that science is continually producing evidence of is just one of the bits of evidence.

Why?

[Stranger]

SKoS, good to see the 'cracked record' being dragged out yet again.  Put mildly, the evidence is all around you; the orderedness that science is continually producing evidence of is just one of the bits of evidence.

In what way is that evidence of any god(s)?

[floo]

SKoS, good to see the 'cracked record' being dragged out yet again.  Put mildly, the evidence is all around you; the orderedness that science is continually producing evidence of is just one of the bits of evidence.

That isn't evidence for the existence of a deity.