More World Troubles Than 'Normal'?

[BashfulAnthony]

Guess there's no pleasing some people 

I'm quite easily pleased, really.  You just failed on this occasion.  Try some more adult variations.   

[Jack Knave]

Hmm..

big book of fables?

Big book of fantasies?

Big book of fun?

Big book of nonsense?

There, now don't say i'm not good to you BA if you need anymore you only need to ask 

No thanks necessary!

You missed Big Book of Bollocks.

[BashfulAnthony]

You missed Big Book of Bollocks.

I don't wish to hear about your reading habits, thank you.   

[Sassy]

The Jesus of the Bible myth would have said :- "Love all of mankind, family and stranger alike ... share everything you have."

Unfortunately, his creators were short-sighted and deluded, advocating a dream-world impossible to achieve.

We now have to grow out of their fairy-tale ramblings. pick up the pieces, and create as good a world as we can.

There you go Leonard,

Putting your own words into the mouth of Christ. When reality is that the words of God came out of the mouth of Christ.

True love does not have boundaries and if you cannot take care of your own family then the care for others is false.

[Sassy]

Sass, who said anything about putting one's family out in the street? You sound very much like my 'born again' late father-in-law who was happy to donate money for Bibles for the 'heathen' in Africa, but not to fill their empty stomachs. Surely if Christianity has any meaning it is to help those less fortunate than we are?

We have only your word what you Father was and wasn't. You wrote that so you could tell us about your Father. It has NOTHING in example by comparison to what I said about putting your own family first and then others. Whatever your Father was or wasn't bears no resemblance to the issue we are discussing.

It is a useless thing your father did. For charity is about feeding the Spiritual and bodily needs which God promised us to do.

Would your father leave your belly empty to send bible abroad. That basically would be a better comparison than yours.

[Sassy]

When will one or other of the atheists on here think of a different description for the Bible other than  "fairy stories."  It is so unoriginal, and crushingly boring!

One day they might actually read it, then they can change it...

[Outrider]

One day they might actually read it, then they can change it...

We're generally evidence-based thinkers - we classify it as a fairy-tale because we've read, not because we haven't. Would you prefer 'speculative fiction'? I'm guessing fantasy fiction wouldn't be any preferable?

Of course, the fact that you complain about the fact that we use the term rather than in any way demonstrating why you think we're wrong to do so is telling.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Well, I'll just learn from BA with all his sweated hours of study about the Bible and accept his opinion that the OT is wrong.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rabbac, ( how the devil are you )


Hmm..

big book of fables?

Big book of fantasies?

Big book of fun?

Big book of nonsense?

Big book of truths.

Please note I did not say Truth.

Gonnagle.

[BashfulAnthony]

Well, I'll just learn from BA with all his sweated hours of study about the Bible and accept his opinion that the OT is wrong.

At last, a supporter!  Try reading Marcion:  he'll put you right about the OT.

[floo]

There you go Leonard,

Putting your own words into the mouth of Christ. When reality is that the words of God came out of the mouth of Christ.

True love does not have boundaries and if you cannot take care of your own family then the care for others is false.

Like the gospel writers didn't put words into his mouth! Anyway you are a good one to talk as you often tell us what the deity's thoughts are!

[Nearly Sane]

At last, a supporter!  Try reading Marcion:  he'll put you right about the OT.

 

Already done that, it's why some eons ago I wrote a post about you being a Marcionite. Iirc Dicky Underpants participated, and when I said to Prof Davy that I would happily have a drink with you, cyberman got annoyed because we were talked my about you, and that was bad, even if we were being nice.

[BashfulAnthony]

 

Already done that, it's why some eons ago I wrote a post about you being a Marcionite. Iirc Dicky Underpants participated, and when I said to Prof Davy that I would happily have a drink with you, cyberman got annoyed because we were talked my about you, and that was bad, even if we were being nice.

Well, I missed all that;  and may I ask what your take on Marcion is now?

[Nearly Sane]

Well, I missed all that;  and may I ask what your take on Marcion is now?

That he got it mostly right but failed to get rid of the god stuff

[BashfulAnthony]

That he got it mostly right but failed to get rid of the god stuff

But he did assert the love that God has for us all;  a fact that so many atheists here try to deny.

[ad_orientem]

At last, a supporter!  Try reading Marcion:  he'll put you right about the OT.

Marcion was nothing more than a semi-pagan.

[Nearly Sane]

But he did assert the love that God has for us all;  a fact that so many atheists here try to deny.

Why are you being so nasty to the word 'fact'? What's it ever done to you that you should mock it in this cruel way?

[BashfulAnthony]

Marcion was nothing more than a semi-pagan.

A pretty valueless comment.

[BashfulAnthony]

Why are you being so nasty to the word 'fact'? What's it ever done to you that you should mock it in this cruel way?

I get cross with it because people bandy it around uselessly, and it never bites back.

[ad_orientem]

A pretty valueless comment.

It was an accurate comment. He couldn't rid himself of his paganism, which is why he believed in the demiurge. Had he understood the words of Christ he would have known that the God of the Old and New Testaments are one and the same.

[BashfulAnthony]

It was an accurate comment. He couldn't rid himself of his paganism, which is why he believed in the demiurge. Had he understood the words of Christ he would have known that the God of the Old and New Testaments are one and the same.

He based his opinions on what the OT said with regard to God:  and it did not represent Him as a loving and forgiving God,  as Jesus did.  The two views are diametrically opposed.

[ad_orientem]

He based his opinions on what the OT said with regard to God:  and it did not represent Him as a loving and forgiving God,  as Jesus did.  The two views are diametrically opposed.

Then Marcion made Christ out to be a liar and so do you, for Christ constantly confirms the OT.

[Nearly Sane]

I get cross with it because people bandy it around uselessly, and it never bites back.

It is a mere catspaw (or possibly a meerkat's paw) but I don't think you can blame it.
Anyway are you really surprised that atheists don't accept the idea that there is a  god that loves us all, given that they don't have a belief in gods.

[BashfulAnthony]

Then Marcion made Christ out to be a liar and so do you, for Christ constantly confirms the OT.

You really ought to read the NT, and maybe even look at a Commentary or two.  Jesus said that He had come to replace the old with the new:  "new wine for old."  "You have heard it said, in times of old... but I say unto you...",  etc, etc.


Jesus introduced the New Covenant, and by bringing in His New Covenant, transformed the law of the OT.

[ad_orientem]

Throughout the Gospels and the Epistles the Old Testament is constantly confirmed. It is you who obviously has not read the New Testament.

"And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken by God, saying to you: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?"

"Now that the dead rise again, Moses also shewed, at the bush, when he called the Lord, The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; For he is not the God of the dead, but of the living"

"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures, the things that were concerning him."

"And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

"Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith to him: We have found him of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets did write, Jesus the son of Joseph of Nazareth."

"For if you did believe Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me."

And there are many more from the Gospels and from the Epistles.