Christians a few tips in your daily walk

[jeremyp]

Here is my first question.------------   If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a human?

If it takes intelligence to create a human why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a god?

Here comes the special pleading....

[~TW~]

Here is my first question.------------   If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a human?

If it takes intelligence to create a human why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a god?

Here comes the special pleading....

Ah its Junk Post ---------------------- What evidence is there that information, such as that in DNA, could ever assemble itself? What about the 4000 books of coded information that are in a tiny part of each of your 100 trillion cells? If astronomers received an intelligent radio signal from some distant galaxy, most people would conclude that it came from an intelligent source. Why then doesn't the vast information sequence in the DNA molecule of just a bacteria also imply an intelligent source?

           ~TW~ away now for football

[jeremyp]

What evidence is there that information, such as that in DNA, could ever assemble itself?

You mean what evidence is there apart from the fact that us being here is testimony that something like that did happen?

 What evidence is there that a god came from nothing?

[~TW~]

Here is my first question.------------   If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a human?

If it takes intelligence to create a human why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a god?

Here comes the special pleading....

Ah its Junk Post ---------------------- What evidence is there that information, such as that in DNA, could ever assemble itself? What about the 4000 books of coded information that are in a tiny part of each of your 100 trillion cells? If astronomers received an intelligent radio signal from some distant galaxy, most people would conclude that it came from an intelligent source. Why then doesn't the vast information sequence in the DNA molecule of just a bacteria also imply an intelligent source?

           ~TW~ away now for football

Ah ! Well

Astronomers can get it wrong too.

They can initially get what think sounds like an intelligent signal only to find on a second look that it's source is perfectly natural and a feature of the natural universe.

Sometimes, until they can get more information they have to admit they don't know.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22630153-600-is-this-et-mystery-of-strange-radio-bursts-from-space/

All to often religious people  with their theology and the rest of it, forget to admit they don't know.

It almost as if admitting not knowing something, is shameful.

Which is why quite a number of religious people end up looking very silly.

Guesses are in time exposed for what they are, guesses.

History is littered with examples of religious guesses that were proved wrong, like the sun revolves around the earth etc etc.

That really is a daft answer,give up do some knitting.

 ~TW~

[BeRational]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

[~TW~]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

BR I see you have crept back  When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?

 Try that one.

              ~TW~

[BeRational]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

BR I see you have crept back  When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?

 Try that one.

              ~TW~

I play sport every evening and have just returned not crept back.

In answer to your question I do not know. At the moment I do not think anyone knows. That does not mean you can just invent an answer.
You stated that it needed an intelligence to create an arrow head.
Using your logic your God must need an account intelligence to create it.

What intelligence created your God?

[Leonard James]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

BR I see you have crept back  When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?

 Try that one.

              ~TW~

I play sport every evening and have just returned not crept back.

In answer to your question I do not know. At the moment I do not think anyone knows. That does not mean you can just invent an answer.
You stated that it needed an intelligence to create an arrow head.
Using your logic your God must need an account intelligence to create it.

What intelligence created your God?

The same one that created the arrow head.

[BeRational]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

BR I see you have crept back  When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?

 Try that one.

              ~TW~

I play sport every evening and have just returned not crept back.

In answer to your question I do not know. At the moment I do not think anyone knows. That does not mean you can just invent an answer.
You stated that it needed an intelligence to create an arrow head.
Using your logic your God must need an account intelligence to create it.

What intelligence created your God?

The same one that created the arrow head.

I agree.

[~TW~]

TW

What intelligence created your God?

BR I see you have crept back  When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?

 Try that one.

              ~TW~

I play sport every evening and have just returned not crept back.

In answer to your question I do not know. At the moment I do not think anyone knows. That does not mean you can just invent an answer.
You stated that it needed an intelligence to create an arrow head.
Using your logic your God must need an account intelligence to create it.

What intelligence created your God?

The same one that created the arrow head.

I agree.

BR the reply to your daft question appeared in reply 11 one thing is certain you never invented the arrow head it seems to be to advanced for you.

 But this thread is for Christians to share their questions they use to counter people like you,and so far none have been answered by people like you,not that we want answers.

 We know full well you have no answers,all we are showing is you and others have no facts to back up what you say is a fact.

 The cult of the JW's operate similar they call it theocratic lying, it means they are told to give out mis information to protect their errors.

 So we do understand your problems. Any way Christians another question to use try this one

   How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?


  ~TW~

[Leonard James]

   How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life?


  ~TW~

Chemistry is not blind, dear boy! All chemicals obey the natural laws by which they are governed. Evolution is the result of them.

The only purpose or meaning to human life is that which the more intelligent people give it.

Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?

Students should be learning to live their lives in the best way possible as members of a social species.

[BeRational]

TW

Can you answer the question about your god needing a creating intelligence if an arrow head does?

[Outrider]

Here is my first question.------------   If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn't it take vastly more intelligence to create a human?

It doesn't take intelligence to make an arrowhead - any sharp stick will do. You can refine that with intelligence, certainly. My question for you - if it takes more intelligence to create a human than an arrowhead, how much more intelligence still does it take to create the intelligence that creates humans, and how much more to create that, and on and on and on...

Do you really believe that hydrogen will turn into people if you wait long enough?

After a fashion, yes. The evidence shows that hydrogen was one stage through which the universe passed between inception and humans. If you were to recreate those conditions enough times, certainly something would emerge - it would be unlikely to be exactly humans, the mutation element of evolution being essentially random, but with enough opportunities, yes, something would be equivalent to humanity at a certain stage.

what came first the chicken or the Egg

The egg. Every chicken has been an egg at some point. The first creature identifiable as a chicken evolved from earlier creatures which were already egg-laying. Chickens came a long, long, long time later. Fish lay eggs, and fish predate the dinosaurs.

O.

[~TW~]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

 Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

                      ~TW~

                                 

[Outrider]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

Why do you need intelligence? Where have you demonstrated this? Evolution is not 'chance or accidents', it's selection of variation (that the variation comes about primarily through random mutation does not make the overall process random). You've asserted that creation (a loaded term in the first place) is complicated, but is it? All of Earthly life is programmed into four different molecules: not just human life, all life on the planet.

Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

Firstly, we do not know for sure what we start with. Secondly, what you consider to be 'nothing' is an unstable quantum foam which continuously fluctuates into and out of small quantities of matter and anti-matter (although it's difficult to accurately convey exactly how that 'fluctuation' occurs in the absence of time - it's a mathematical conceptual fluctuation).

Can I suggest that rather than continue to tilt at Quixotic straw windmills you actually learn something about evolution and/or cosmology?

I can recommend 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Professor Richard Dawkins as an excellent account of how evolution can generate apparent complexity, and 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss which explains the origin state that is generally held to be the conditions in which the inception of our universe occurred.

O.

[~TW~]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

Why do you need intelligence? Where have you demonstrated this? Evolution is not 'chance or accidents', it's selection of variation (that the variation comes about primarily through random mutation does not make the overall process random). You've asserted that creation (a loaded term in the first place) is complicated, but is it? All of Earthly life is programmed into four different molecules: not just human life, all life on the planet.

Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

Firstly, we do not know for sure what we start with. Secondly, what you consider to be 'nothing' is an unstable quantum foam which continuously fluctuates into and out of small quantities of matter and anti-matter (although it's difficult to accurately convey exactly how that 'fluctuation' occurs in the absence of time - it's a mathematical conceptual fluctuation).

Can I suggest that rather than continue to tilt at Quixotic straw windmills you actually learn something about evolution and/or cosmology?

I can recommend 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Professor Richard Dawkins as an excellent account of how evolution can generate apparent complexity, and 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss which explains the origin state that is generally held to be the conditions in which the inception of our universe occurred.

O.

 So christian friends no answers from them no facts.

~TW~

[BeRational]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

Why do you need intelligence? Where have you demonstrated this? Evolution is not 'chance or accidents', it's selection of variation (that the variation comes about primarily through random mutation does not make the overall process random). You've asserted that creation (a loaded term in the first place) is complicated, but is it? All of Earthly life is programmed into four different molecules: not just human life, all life on the planet.

Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

Firstly, we do not know for sure what we start with. Secondly, what you consider to be 'nothing' is an unstable quantum foam which continuously fluctuates into and out of small quantities of matter and anti-matter (although it's difficult to accurately convey exactly how that 'fluctuation' occurs in the absence of time - it's a mathematical conceptual fluctuation).

Can I suggest that rather than continue to tilt at Quixotic straw windmills you actually learn something about evolution and/or cosmology?

I can recommend 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Professor Richard Dawkins as an excellent account of how evolution can generate apparent complexity, and 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss which explains the origin state that is generally held to be the conditions in which the inception of our universe occurred.

O.

 So christian friends no answers from them no facts.

~TW~

Actually you have been given lots of answers.
The fact you ignore them or do not understand them is another thing.

You have failed to answer why your god would not need an intelligent designer?

[~TW~]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

Why do you need intelligence? Where have you demonstrated this? Evolution is not 'chance or accidents', it's selection of variation (that the variation comes about primarily through random mutation does not make the overall process random). You've asserted that creation (a loaded term in the first place) is complicated, but is it? All of Earthly life is programmed into four different molecules: not just human life, all life on the planet.

Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

Firstly, we do not know for sure what we start with. Secondly, what you consider to be 'nothing' is an unstable quantum foam which continuously fluctuates into and out of small quantities of matter and anti-matter (although it's difficult to accurately convey exactly how that 'fluctuation' occurs in the absence of time - it's a mathematical conceptual fluctuation).

Can I suggest that rather than continue to tilt at Quixotic straw windmills you actually learn something about evolution and/or cosmology?

I can recommend 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Professor Richard Dawkins as an excellent account of how evolution can generate apparent complexity, and 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss which explains the origin state that is generally held to be the conditions in which the inception of our universe occurred.

O.

 So christian friends no answers from them no facts.

~TW~

Actually you have been given lots of answers.
The fact you ignore them or do not understand them is another thing.

You have failed to answer why your god would not need an intelligent designer?

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

 ~TW~

[floo]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

Why do you need intelligence? Where have you demonstrated this? Evolution is not 'chance or accidents', it's selection of variation (that the variation comes about primarily through random mutation does not make the overall process random). You've asserted that creation (a loaded term in the first place) is complicated, but is it? All of Earthly life is programmed into four different molecules: not just human life, all life on the planet.

Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

Firstly, we do not know for sure what we start with. Secondly, what you consider to be 'nothing' is an unstable quantum foam which continuously fluctuates into and out of small quantities of matter and anti-matter (although it's difficult to accurately convey exactly how that 'fluctuation' occurs in the absence of time - it's a mathematical conceptual fluctuation).

Can I suggest that rather than continue to tilt at Quixotic straw windmills you actually learn something about evolution and/or cosmology?

I can recommend 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Professor Richard Dawkins as an excellent account of how evolution can generate apparent complexity, and 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss which explains the origin state that is generally held to be the conditions in which the inception of our universe occurred.

O.

 So christian friends no answers from them no facts.

~TW~

Actually you have been given lots of answers.
The fact you ignore them or do not understand them is another thing.

You have failed to answer why your god would not need an intelligent designer?

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

 ~TW~

Who created your deity?

[BeRational]

Christians as you can see BR and OR are both stuck in a groove,for example { If you were to recreate those conditions enough times,}
the problem here is you need intelligence not chance or accidents to recreate those conditions,creation is far more complicated.

 Plus we start with nothing so how does one recreate nothing.

                      ~TW~

                               

How do you know we start with nothing?

What created your god from nothing?

[BeRational]

TW

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

You are the one here believing fairy stories!

[BashfulAnthony]

TW

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

You are the one here believing fairy stories!

A true fairy story is: "a story, usually for children, about elves, hobgoblins, dragons, fairies, or other magical creatures."  I suppose that's why you find them attractive, being of a simple nature yourself.   

[floo]

TW

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

You are the one here believing fairy stories!

The fairy tales in the Bible are more like those produced by the Brothers Grimm, as most of them are not very pleasant!

[BashfulAnthony]

TW

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

You are the one here believing fairy stories!

The fairy tales in the Bible are more like those produced by the Brothers Grimm, as most of them are not very pleasant!

But still the domain of the simple-minded, hence the attraction for atheists.

[BeRational]

TW

 The questions are for you BR you believe in the fairy story that nothing made itself.

You are the one here believing fairy stories!

A true fairy story is: "a story, usually for children, about elves, hobgoblins, dragons, fairies, or other magical creatures."  I suppose that's why you find them attractive, being of a simple nature yourself.   

Jesus is a fairy story for adults.

Idiots like yourself who know little or nothing of how to evaluate evidence fall for it like the fool you are.