Christians a few tips in your daily walk

[Maeght]

I am glad you mentioned your shirt it was designed and made an intelligence was behind it.

  ~TW~

And we have a label in it that tells us who the designer was (indirectly) - just because one thing is designed doesn't mean everything is designed, just like the fact that one persons's argument is rational and based on evidence doesn't mean that all arguments are valid.

O.

 No sorry forget the argument stick to design name one part of your computer that designed and made it's self.

~TW~

This really is quite obvious but, I'll give it a try. Computers are not living, do not breed, do not have genes and have no mechanism by which natural selection can ccur. Living creeatures do and are different.

There are plenty of non living things in the creation too, I don't know why you are trying to limit this to living things?

Who? Me? TW is trying to use non living items which humans have designed to argue that living things must also have an intelligent designer to achieve the level of complexity seen. This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection can act on this. Non living things don't, so natural selection is not a factor. That was my point. Not sure what point you were making.

[~TW~]

   This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

[jeremyp]

Why won't qualified evolutionists enter into a written, scientific debate?

They have done. From the moment that Darwin and Wallace's papers were presented to the Royal Society evolution was subject to debate. Guess what, the evolutionists have consistently won, because they are right.

[Maeght]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

This has been answered many times and there is no point doing it again because you don't want to listen or understand due to you religious beliefs. I was making a point to 2Corrie so will see if the situation is any different with them and judge whether it is worth posting again.

[~TW~]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

This has been answered many times and there is no point doing it again because you don't want to listen or understand due to you religious beliefs. I was making a point to 2Corrie so will see if the situation is any different with them and judge whether it is worth posting again.

I do not like your answers and I seeing the non existent is not a gift i have.Try again.

 ~TW~

[floo]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

This has been answered many times and there is no point doing it again because you don't want to listen or understand due to you religious beliefs. I was making a point to 2Corrie so will see if the situation is any different with them and judge whether it is worth posting again.

I do not like your answers and I seeing the non existent is not a gift i have.Try again.

 ~TW~

I am sure you don't like the answers of others because they make much more sense than yours!

[Outrider]

No-one has ever suggested that anything designed and made itself, with the possible exception of Worzel Gummidge.

O.

Good nice to see you coming onside.

                        ~TW~

I see that references to 'straw-men' is something else that's beyond your understanding...

O.

[Outrider]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

Not from nothing, you've had this explained to you within this very thread. Do try to keep up.

O.

[Outrider]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

This has been answered many times and there is no point doing it again because you don't want to listen or understand due to you religious beliefs. I was making a point to 2Corrie so will see if the situation is any different with them and judge whether it is worth posting again.

I do not like your answers and I seeing the non existent is not a gift i have.Try again.

 ~TW~

Your not liking it doesn't actually make the blindest bit of difference as to whether it's right or wrong, though.

O.

[Maeght]

  This argument is nonsense since living things can evolve since they have genes, breed and have offspring and Natural Selection

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From nothing I presume in the beginning nothing and then something.-----------------Please try again.

                            ~TW~

This has been answered many times and there is no point doing it again because you don't want to listen or understand due to you religious beliefs. I was making a point to 2Corrie so will see if the situation is any different with them and judge whether it is worth posting again.

I do not like your answers

Of course you don't because they don't fit with your religious beliefs. Fine, just stop asking for answers.

...and I seeing the non existent is not a gift i have.

I wouldn't say that.

Try again.

No point, as I've said.

[~TW~]

I think another question is needed ------------- .Where did the necessary materials to create the universe come from and

where did they exist if there was no space?

                            ~TW~

[Outrider]

I think another question is needed ------------- .Where did the necessary materials to create the universe come from and

where did they exist if there was no space?

                            ~TW~

The material and space are part of the universe, their creation is the creation of the universe. They are formed from the energy potential of the quantum foam from which they emerged.

O.

[~TW~]

I think another question is needed ------------- .Where did the necessary materials to create the universe come from and

where did they exist if there was no space?

                            ~TW~

The material and space are part of the universe, their creation is the creation of the universe. They are formed from the energy potential of the quantum foam from which they emerged.

O.

 from where and what.
~TW~

[BeRational]

I think another question is needed ------------- .Where did the necessary materials to create the universe come from and

where did they exist if there was no space?

                            ~TW~

The material and space are part of the universe, their creation is the creation of the universe. They are formed from the energy potential of the quantum foam from which they emerged.

O.

 from where and what.
~TW~

No one knows.
Perhaps the universe is eternal and has always been there and had no beginning.
The big bang is a low entropy event in an eternal universe.

Where and when did your god come from?

[~TW~]

BR On this thread I ask the questions you give the answers 

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

 Also I will be away all day and  most of next week.So that will give you time to find some facts concerning your beliefs.

                                       ~TW~

[Outrider]

I think another question is needed ------------- .Where did the necessary materials to create the universe come from and

where did they exist if there was no space?

                            ~TW~

The material and space are part of the universe, their creation is the creation of the universe. They are formed from the energy potential of the quantum foam from which they emerged.

O.

 from where and what.
~TW~

From the extra-universal quantum foam.

O.

[floo]

BR On this thread I ask the questions you give the answers 

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

 Also I will be away all day and  most of next week.So that will give you time to find some facts concerning your beliefs.

                                       ~TW~

And make sure you are sitting to attention when you write your answers BR!

[jeremyp]

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

Another Hope.

Why is it you guys think that pretending you answered the question once is going to fool us?

[~TW~]

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

Another Hope.

Why is it you guys think that pretending you answered the question once is going to fool us?

 Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

 ~TW~

[jeremyp]

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

Another Hope.

Why is it you guys think that pretending you answered the question once is going to fool us?

 Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

We have answered all your questions...

... way back, so please try not to  keep repeating yourself.

[floo]

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

Another Hope.

Why is it you guys think that pretending you answered the question once is going to fool us?

 Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

 ~TW~

TW is having a 'larf'!

[~TW~]

 And for the record I did answer the question way back.So please try not to keep repeating yourself.

Another Hope.

Why is it you guys think that pretending you answered the question once is going to fool us?

 Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

 ~TW~

TW is having a 'larf'!

And  Floo answers to questions is your Q to exit stage left.

 

[bluehillside Retd.]

TW,

Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

Actually it isn't. For the most part asking questions because you want the answers to them is fine, but that's not what you do. Rather your approach is a basic reasoning error called the argument from personal incredulity. You think that, when no answer is forthcoming, then just dropping in "god" as the answer somehow validates that answer when it does no such thing.

And that's your main problem (I'm leaving aside for now the secondary one that you don't understanding the questions you attempt in any case - confusing evolution with the origin of life itself for example): even if there is an answer and even if you understood it, you'd just move to another question until you got to a "dunno" and then proclaim again, "Ha! It must be God then" whereas in fact a "don't know" implies no such thing.

If ever you could grasp the fallacious argument you're relying on it would save everyone here an awful lot of time. 

[floo]

TW,

Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

Actually it isn't. For the most part asking questions because you want the answers to them is fine, but that's not what you do. Rather your approach is a basic reasoning error called the argument from personal incredulity. You think that, when no answer is forthcoming, then just dropping in "god" as the answer somehow validates that answer when it does no such thing.

And that's your main problem (I'm leaving aside for now the secondary one that you don't understanding the questions you attempt in any case - confusing evolution with the origin of life itself for example): even if there is an answer and even if you understood it, you'd just move to another question until you got to a "dunno" and then proclaim again, "Ha! It must be God then" whereas in fact a "don't know" implies no such thing.

If ever you could grasp the fallacious argument you're relying on it would save everyone here an awful lot of time.

Good answer!

[~TW~]

TW,

Well we know you are incapable of checking .But this thread is where we ask the questions and you answer them 

Actually it isn't. For the most part asking questions because you want the answers to them is fine, but that's not what you do. Rather your approach is a basic reasoning error called the argument from personal incredulity. You think that, when no answer is forthcoming, then just dropping in "god" as the answer somehow validates that answer when it does no such thing.

And that's your main problem (I'm leaving aside for now the secondary one that you don't understanding the questions you attempt in any case - confusing evolution with the origin of life itself for example): even if there is an answer and even if you understood it, you'd just move to another question until you got to a "dunno" and then proclaim again, "Ha! It must be God then" whereas in fact a "don't know" implies no such thing.

If ever you could grasp the fallacious argument you're relying on it would save everyone here an awful lot of time.

Wrong I ask a question which you say is based on fact,but then I find you cannot support the fact.

    ~TW~