British Museum - Faith after the Pharaohs

[Dicky Underpants]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

[Owlswing]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Some of us - a large part of our lives. And not just 'some of the technical' subjects. Mine was Early Modern History.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

[Owlswing]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.

It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.

Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.

It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.

Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.

Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent?  Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.

[Owlswing]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.

It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.

Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.

Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent?  Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.

When it comes to debating I get an A* to your D-.

I leave the last word in this conversation to you - I have no doubt it will be a real gem.

I really cannot be bothered with you any further.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

Divinity! A subject of virtually no practical use whatsoever in the real world! This mini-bio is more than sufficient explanation of your total lack of connection with reality.

It also explains the total pointlessness of trying to have a debate with you - you are too hidebound in the "I am a lecturer" mode and thus have no concept of the meaning of the word duscussion.

Head back to cloud-cuckoo-divinity-land BA - I for one will not miss you in the slighhtest.

Don't you realise what a poor exponent of debating you represent?  Kindly look at yourself before criticising anyone else.

When it comes to debating I get an A* to your D-.

I leave the last word in this conversation to you - I have no doubt it will be a real gem.

I really cannot be bothered with you any further. *

You get no A's, not in debate, religious understanding, or even English usage, though I suspect you might do well on dressing up in silly hats.

* Thank you for that.

[Outrider]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.  In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

[BeRational]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.  In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.  In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.

Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.

[BeRational]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.  In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.

Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.

And yet YOU believe it exists.

This demonstrates your grip on reality is deeply flawed.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some posts, especially those of a technical or very involved nature, are very clearly the product of googling.

Except that, with your grasp of some of the 'technical' subjects, what you think is the product of googling is in fact just a facet of the fact that some of us spent part of our lives going out and actually learning stuff.

O.

Nice one! 

I studied Divinity as my main subject; I taught it as my main subject all my working life;  I have lived and moved in the world, especially in the religious community, all my life; so don't come that gumpf with me. I have more experience and knowledge of religion than you've dreamed of.

What a waste. I've studied science, engineering and mathematics, and then worked in with those fields - I've more experience and knowledge of reality than it appears you've dreamed of.

If, as you say, you're such an academic, then you'd know that reviewing the latest output on a given topic is not 'cheating', it's the expectation. Whilst, in academic circles, citations should be rigorously adhered to, this is a chat forum, no-one is attempting anything other than the self-gratification of a point well-made here. If the point has come from someone else, so what, almost all of them have - I suspect there are very few original arguments being made amongst these discussions. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who makes them.

O.

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.  In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me. I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

But you believe in a magic sky fairy, so we can assume that your grasp of reality is as low as its possible to get.

Anybody who can only talk in terms of "fairies" is not a serious debater.

And yet YOU believe it exists.

This demonstrates your grip on reality is deeply flawed.

Along with billions of others  -  so who says you are in the real world?

[BeRational]

BA

Along with billions of others  -  so who says you are in the real world?

The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?

The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.

Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.

[BashfulAnthony]

BA

Along with billions of others  -  so who says you are in the real world?

The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?

The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.

Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.

I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?

When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning.  You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."

[BeRational]

BA

Along with billions of others  -  so who says you are in the real world?

The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?

The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.

Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.

I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?

When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning.  You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."

What shows you are correct or likely correct is not number of equally deluded believers, but EVIDENCE.

The scientific method gives us the best chance to discover what is most likely true.

You just believe stuff because you like it, not because the evidence for it is compelling. If it was you would not need faith.

No one should ever have faith in anything. It simply is the excuse people give to themselves to believe stuff for which there is no good evidence.

Don't do it. You will probably be wrong!

[Outrider]

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.

You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.

In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.

It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.

I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.

The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

BA

Along with billions of others  -  so who says you are in the real world?

The appeal to numbers. This shows again that you are not in touch with the way reality works.
More people do NOT believe in your god. So what?

The reason I am more in touch with reality is that all my beliefs chime with evidence, and the scientific findings.

Yours do not, and that sets you adrift in delusion.

I repeat: who says you are in touch with reality, expect in your own prejudices?

When billions follow the same understandings, then numbers do have meaning.  You are arrogantly saying, "millions disagree with me, but I'm right, no argument."

What shows you are correct or likely correct is not number of equally deluded believers, but EVIDENCE.

The scientific method gives us the best chance to discover what is most likely true.

You just believe stuff because you like it, not because the evidence for it is compelling. If it was you would not need faith.

No one should ever have faith in anything. It simply is the excuse people give to themselves to believe stuff for which there is no good evidence.

Don't do it. You will probably be wrong!

There is evidence for my beliefs  -  the existence of the Gospels being the most significant.  You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax!  There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.

[BashfulAnthony]

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.

You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.

In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.

It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.

I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.

The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...

O.

What!!  What!!  Who says I deny evolution? I do not.   Please quote something I have said which suggests such a stance,  Do not avoid this request.

[BeRational]

BA

There is evidence for my beliefs  -  the existence of the Gospels being the most significant.  You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax!  There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.

This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.

It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.

Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.

You though do not believe either.

Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.

In fact you are better described as a reality denier.

[BashfulAnthony]

BA

There is evidence for my beliefs  -  the existence of the Gospels being the most significant.  You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax!  There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.

This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.

It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.

Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.

You though do not believe either.

Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.

In fact you are better described as a reality denier.

Please read M43.  I invite you to quote anything I've said that suggests I do not believe in evolution.. I do believe it.  Either quote where I have said otherwise, or apologise for misrepresenting me.  Do not ignore, or avoid, this request.

As for your feeble assertion that people are simply making up what they wrote, on that silly proposition, almost all ancient history can be doubted as being untrue:  and a good deal of more recent history, too.

Further, both yours and Outriders wrongful misrepresentation of me says little for your grasp on reality, nor for your veracity.

[BeRational]

BA

There is evidence for my beliefs  -  the existence of the Gospels being the most significant.  You, apparently, dismiss them as some kind of giant hoax!  There is also historical comment that is evidence, without going into the same old list of names, which, in your high degree of learning, you are well aware.

This is evidence that people wrote down some stuff they believed.

It is NOT evidence that the events are actually true.

Also as pointed out, you do not believe in evolution which is almost (as certain as we can be at the moment) TRUE.
Also, actual evolution DOES take place and is seen all the time. The theory (the highest pinnacle of any scientific endeavour) explains the phenomenon.

You though do not believe either.

Please do not ever think you are in touch with reality.

In fact you are better described as a reality denier.

Please read M43.  I invite you to quote anything I've said that suggests I do not believe in evolution.. I do believe it.  Either quote where I have said otherwise, or apologise for misrepresenting me.  Do not ignore, or avoid, avoid this request.

As for your feeble assertion that people are simply making up what they wrote, on that silly proposition, almost all ancient history can be doubted as being untrue:  and a good deal of more recent history, too.

My mistake I had you mixed up with someone else that does not believe evolution.

But the gospels are NOT evidence for a god.

They ARE evidence that people believed in a god. There is a massive difference.

People do and have believed in thousands of gods, and there is written documentation of them.

Why do not follow these other accounts.

The reason is simple, you just happen to have been born and brought up in a community that has been largely Christian. That's all there is to it.

If you were born in a different age or a different place you religion would probably be different.

[Outrider]

What a silly post.  No mention of any knowledge or expertise in religion or religious studies, which is what is under discussion  here.

You're a student of divinities - what idea have you of 'knowledge', everything in your field is belief.

In my experience, scientists don't live anywhere else but in the clouds;  and why being in engineering or mathematics  gives you any insight into the reality of religion is beyond me.

It doesn't, it gives me an insight into reality, which is why I see that religion is a farce.

I have probably worked longer than you and mixed in all areas of society, and from what I see of yours, and others', posts on here, I have a far greater grasp of reality than you could ever boast.

I have no idea how long you've been working - I suspect I'm towards the lower end of the age spectrum here, so it's likely you have been working longer, yes. You may even have met a broader range of people than I.

The idea that you think you have any sort of grasp of reality, yet you deny that evolution happens (in part because you fail to distinguish between the phenomenon and the theory that we currently accept is the best explanation of what causes it) suggest that you wouldn't recognise reality if it manfiested itself as its own son and sacrificed itself to itself to atone for its own errors...

O.

What!!  What!!  Who says I deny evolution? I do not.   Please quote something I have said which suggests such a stance,  Do not avoid this request.

Apologies, that's entirely my error, I've confused you with someone else - absolutely my mistake on that.

O.

[Owlswing]

BR and O

BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.

I also think he has a gigantic nerve tell you two not to be evasive when his if the King (and Queen) of evasion, one of the many reasons I have given up "talking to him".

[Outrider]

BR and O

BA is only picking up on the "evolution" thing because it is the only thing on which he can question you, because he knows that the rest of your postings here are correct.

No, it's not, to be fair. For people to claim that evolution isn't true is stupidity of the highest order, so to accuse someone of it unfairly is simply not on. I'd like to hold myself to a higher standard than that. Whether the rest of the post was spot on or not, that was out of line.

O.