Deeds not words

[Rhiannon]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, she can do what she likes, so long as she doesn't come home telling me she wants to get married I'm happy.

[Rhiannon]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, so long as she doesn't want a husband she can do what she likes.

As long as she stays away from boyfriends names    I'd have thought a prospective hubby would accept it.

Lots of people make the mistake of adding a name to it, not realising they may then not stay with the other person.

I've just reformatted my statement because I realised it sounded like I thought a tattoo would put a decent bloke off. No, I like tattoos, I just don't think much of marriage.

[floo]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, she can do what she likes, so long as she doesn't come home telling me she wants to get married I'm happy.

If mine had told me they wanted a tattoo I would have grounded them forever, or until they had decided against the notion!

[Owlswing]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, she can do what she likes, so long as she doesn't come home telling me she wants to get married I'm happy.

If mine had told me they wanted a tattoo I would have grounded them forever, or until they had decided against the notion!

Why?

[Hope]

Athiests seem to think for example if we were all a bit more educated we couldn't possibly fail to see it their way.

Religious people do the same in that they feel if the non religious look for God their lives will be richer.

We are all different though.

Different concepts enrich our lives.

That only applies if we haven't been created by the same being, Rose. 

[Hope]

I prefer those people, religious or otherwise, who would just like people to be better and their lives to be richer regardless of how they do it.

O.

Is that actually possible to do, O? 

[Hope]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Haven't you ever been to a friend's wedding or the baptism/dedication of a relative's child, Matt?

[Owlswing]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Haven't you ever been to a friend's wedding or the baptism/dedication of a relative's child, Matt?

I don't see the relevance of the question.

[floo]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, she can do what she likes, so long as she doesn't come home telling me she wants to get married I'm happy.

If mine had told me they wanted a tattoo I would have grounded them forever, or until they had decided against the notion!

Why?

I DETEST Tattoos.

[Owlswing]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, she can do what she likes, so long as she doesn't come home telling me she wants to get married I'm happy.

If mine had told me they wanted a tattoo I would have grounded them forever, or until they had decided against the notion!

Why?

I DETEST Tattoos.

If they are over 18 - I regret that you have no say in the matter.

That said - I do not particularly like tattoos on females - one or two, or a memorial to Mum or Dad, or a child - fine.

My elder daughter has about 14 or 15 - all small ones, mostly covered when she is dressed, she knows my opinion on the subject so she tends to have any new ones put where I cannot see them.

I have two - one is a unique picture of the Green Man, drawn for me by an old friend, the other a brilliant advert for not putting girl-friend's names on your arm. Eventually, when I find the right dragon, I will have it covered with that. 

[Nearly Sane]

Or a happy living together? Rhiannon's point does not suggest there is no possibility of a happy marriage so why the straw?

[Owlswing]

I think it's good practice for the weddings and baptisms to come.

Momma hopes!

Blimey, I didn't mean theirs! My eldest has told me she wants a tattoo. I've said great, so long as she doesn't want a husband she can do what she likes.

As long as she stays away from boyfriends names    I'd have thought a prospective hubby would accept it.

Lots of people make the mistake of adding a name to it, not realising they may then not stay with the other person.

I've just reformatted my statement because I realised it sounded like I thought a tattoo would put a decent bloke off. No, I like tattoos, I just don't think much of marriage.

But your children might have a happy marriage.

it wouldn't be so awful would it?

The problem is, Rose, the word "might"!

[Rhiannon]

Or a happy living together? Rhiannon's point does not suggest there is no possibility of a happy marriage so why the straw?

Just surprised she would be unhappy, if one of her children wanted to get married.

It sounded as if it would be unacceptable to her.

Perhaps I read it wrong.

It was a joke. I don't rate marriage but my kids are free to make their own paths.

[floo]

Sadly many 'Christians' talk the talk but it doesn't always make them better people, which is all that counts in the end. Since I first posted this thread in October we have had some shocking examples displayed by a small minority of Christians on this forum, whose behaviour has brought Christianity into much disfavour. On an American religious forum, on which I post, one of the posters stated that the point of Christianity wasn't to be a good person, but to get to heaven by doing the 'saved' bit! Quite a number of those who support the 'you must be saved' dogma,  seem to believe that once you do that you are 'saved' for all eternity, whatever you do thereafter. How very convenient! One can only think that those Christians whose behaviour is far from good espouse that crazy idea!

[Leonard James]

Sadly many 'Christians' talk the talk but it doesn't always make them better people, which is all that counts in the end. Since I first posted this thread in October we have had some shocking examples displayed by a small minority of Christians on this forum, whose behaviour has brought Christianity into much disfavour. On an American religious forum, on which I post, one of the posters stated that the point of Christianity wasn't to be a good person, but to get to heaven by doing the 'saved' bit! Quite a number of those who support the 'you must be saved' dogma,  seem to believe that once you do that you are 'saved' for all eternity, whatever you do thereafter. How very convenient! One can only think that those Christians whose behaviour is far from good espouse that crazy idea!

It's one of a number of ways to escape accepting death as being final. I find it sad that so many people are like that, but for them, any way out is valid.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's one of a number of ways to escape accepting death as being final. I find it sad that so many people are like that, but for them, any way out is valid.

Deciding philosophically on balance that Death being final is a walk in the park compared with facing the prospect of Death THEN judgment. That's what people can't face en mass Len.

[Leonard James]

Deciding philosophically on balance that Death being final is a walk in the park compared with facing the prospect of Death THEN judgment. That's what people can't face en mass Len.

Oh dear, have you been SO bad in your earthly life that you fear judgement? Bad people deserve all the mental torture that religion entails.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Oh dear, have you been SO bad in your earthly life that you fear judgement? Bad people deserve all the mental torture that religion entails.

Death THEN judgment Len........I don't get to do the judging and neither do you. That's a blow for our judgmental attitudes for openers .......and yours are always on display around here. You don't get to say who's bad and who's good.

[floo]

Some Christians are so busy glorying in the prospect of non-believers roasting in hell, they give no thought to the prospect that they might be joining them if Jesus doesn't recognise them as one of his buddies!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Some Christians are so busy glorying in the prospect of non-believers roasting in hell, they give no thought to the prospect that they might be joining them if Jesus doesn't recognise them as one of his buddies!

You have turned a statement Death then judgment into people glorifying in the prospect of non believers roasting in hell. That is a case of a mental bypassing...or in other words dodging the issue.

I have said Death then judgment in which we do not have any role in how we and others are judged.

Basically Leonard James is peddling a myth about the courage of facing oblivion being superior to facing up to eternal judgment.

[Shaker]

You have turned a statement Death then judgment into people glorifying in the prospect of non believers roasting in hell. That is a case of a mental bypassing...or in other words dodging the issue.

I hope you'll tell Tertullian and Tommy Aquinas this if you see them.

[ippy]

Any non-religious person doing a good deed trumps the religious believer every time, we're not looking for brownie points, we're a lot nearer to pure altruism than any religioso.

Please note the, "a lot nearer".

ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Any non-religious person doing a good deed trumps the religious believer every time

ippy

How ?

[Hope]

I DETEST Tattoos.

They're great, Floo, especially the annual one in Edinburgh!!

[ippy]

How ?

Any non-religious person doing a good deed trumps the religious believer every time, we're not looking for brownie points, we're a lot nearer to pure altruism than any religioso.

Please note the, "a lot nearer".

As I said before, not your edited version Vlad. (Above).

ippy