Author Topic: Deeds not words (Read 43997 times)

Sassy · « **Reply #100 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:51:10 AM »

Quote from: Floo on March 21, 2016, 09:24:48 AM

Oh Sass your comments are so hilarious, if only you could see yourself as others see you then you might not make such silly statements.

I would not be laughing if I were you; you who said she has met Christians who do not believe Christ rose from the dead.
My post makes sense but yours defies reasoning....

King James Bible
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

There would be no Christianity if Christ did not rise from the dead.

Whose laughing and looking silly now?

floo · « **Reply #101 on:** March 21, 2016, 10:44:50 AM »

Quote from: Sassy on March 21, 2016, 09:51:10 AM

I would not be laughing if I were you; you who said she has met Christians who do not believe Christ rose from the dead.
My post makes sense but yours defies reasoning....

King James Bible
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

There would be no Christianity if Christ did not rise from the dead.

Whose laughing and looking silly now?

YAWN. You don't know what you are talking about, but that is nothing new.

Brownie · « **Reply #102 on:** March 21, 2016, 10:49:22 AM »

Floo, Sassy is not the only person to have replied to your thread, please do look at the other replies. Also the thread you started about praying to saints. If you start a thread posters presume you are interested and will return to it.

Hope · « **Reply #103 on:** March 21, 2016, 12:09:55 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on March 20, 2016, 02:54:35 PM

Your vainglorious boasting does you no credit whatsoever!

If you think that is boasting, you need to read the thread, Owl - Floo specifically asked (on more than one occasion - by bumping the comment) "As a Christian what do you do to help others in need?"(see OP)/"What practical things have our more vociferous Christians done to help make the world a better place?"(post #90). Had I wanted to boast, I'd have answered the question earlier on the thread rather than critiquing the original article Floo referred to, questioning whether it was a realistic representation, etc.

I realise that Floo is determined to question anything she doesn't accept or believe in - and is, as such, no different from everyone else here; however, I've discovered over the years that by answering one or more of her questions directly can help to slow her antaginims down - at least until the next time she gets on that aprticular hobby-horse.

Brownie · « **Reply #104 on:** March 21, 2016, 12:13:16 PM »

Floo please read some more of the posts which have been made in response to you bumping this thread, not just posts from one poster.

Hope · « **Reply #105 on:** March 21, 2016, 12:14:54 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on March 21, 2016, 12:30:46 AM

YOU DON'T WHAT!!!!!

You attribute everything, absolutely everything, to magical, mythical or superstition beliefs! Beliefs in your GOD!

Owl, you and others like ippy attribute my faith to "magical, mythical or superstition beliefs". Not sure about ippy, but you would seem, as a Pagan, to do the same - if it were true in the first place. I don't believe that a God who I have had personal experience of is 'magical, mythical or superstition'. That is why I said that I didn't disagree with ippy's point.

Owlswing · « **Reply #106 on:** March 21, 2016, 01:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Sassy on March 21, 2016, 08:59:44 AM

Well maybe... can you say you have done anything like that to boast about?
Would you really do all that traveling and giving all those years of your life just to have something to boast about.
I think not....

It is a clear sign that Hope cares about others and is committed enough to do something about matters which weigh on his heart when it comes to the suffering of others.
All you can do is attack him for doing the good WHICH you know you should of done but could not be bothered.

He did not get any glory and he didn't do it for the praise of men.

King James Bible
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Had you known anything about Christ, Christianity and the Almighty God the Father you would know the works we do are ordained for us to do. It is not our works but our Fathers in heaven.

So tell me did you know what the NT taught? Did you make your claim knowing you falsely accused Hope or make such a claim because of your ignorance?
Should you be discussing Christian matters when you show no hindsight or forethought on the matters you discuss?
No matter how often you talk with Christians you appear never to learn anything or show you have actually reflected on anything said in conversations.

So in future you would be wise to order your remarks in accordance with Christian belief/understanding or not at all.

I do what I do for others but I do not go trumpeting it on a public forum so that I can get some blinkered non-entity called Sassy to give me praise and a pat on the back and a quote from the book of Chinese Whispers for my efforts.

As to my order[ing] [my] remarks in accordance with Christian belief/understanding or not at all.

I wouldn't order anything in accordance with Christian belief/understanding if a man was standing behind me with a sword to decapitate me if I did not do so. Every post that you and Hope and Vlad make on the subject only reinforces my determination never ever to return to with the Christain church or its beliefs ever again and to make my distaste for those beliefs and my reasons for that stance as often and as vociferously as possible. Each incident of my doing so evokes from you ever more confirmation to me that my view that Christians are trying more to convince themselves of the rightness of their beliefs than to convince others.

Hope · « **Reply #107 on:** March 21, 2016, 01:57:25 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on March 21, 2016, 01:47:47 PM

I do what I do for others but I do not go trumpeting it on a public forum so that I can get some blinkered non-entity called Sassy to give me praise and a pat on the back and a quote from the book of Chinese Whispers for my efforts.

Clearly you don't know Floo that well, Owl. You sometimes have to answer her directly in order to slow her down.

Brownie · « **Reply #108 on:** March 21, 2016, 02:16:00 PM »

Floo, I say again, I wish you would address some more of the posts on this thread. You presumably wanted responses but you ignore most of them.

ippy · « **Reply #109 on:** March 21, 2016, 02:25:59 PM »

Quote from: Hope on March 20, 2016, 08:43:53 PM

I don't disagree, ippy, which is why I don't attribute anything to magical, mythical or superstition beliefs.

Looks like you need to re-read your manual if that's so Hope.

ippy

ippy · « **Reply #110 on:** March 21, 2016, 02:31:49 PM »

Quote from: Hope on March 21, 2016, 12:14:54 PM

Owl, you and others like ippy attribute my faith to "magical, mythical or superstition beliefs". Not sure about ippy, but you would seem, as a Pagan, to do the same - if it were true in the first place. I don't believe that a God who I have had personal experience of is 'magical, mythical or superstition'. That is why I said that I didn't disagree with ippy's point.

Hope, what word would chose between magic, myth or superstition, to describe someone coming back from the dead?

And that's only one of many questionable supposed events in your manual.

ippy

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #111 on:** March 21, 2016, 03:34:57 PM »

Matty,
You are so angry, flying off your handle as usual. It amaze me that you still refuse to think before you post. When you are off your handle you are ranting at and accusing people of the very things you yourself do here.

Floo,
Come on now, tell us all the great things you have done and how you have to give so much money to charities because you can't stuff anymore of it in your mattress. I know you want to toot your horn. Why would you want listed all the good deeds done by Christians around here but to create an chance to advertise what humanitarian the amazing Floo is. Do you still turn down the heat even though you can well afford to live at a warmer temperature?

Brownie · « **Reply #112 on:** March 21, 2016, 03:55:32 PM »

Floo won't be talking about things she's done for others OMW, she keeps those quiet. However I have said ad nauseum that I wish she would come back, look at and comment on the posts on the threads she starts, instead of just homing in on one poster. Otherwise why do we bother?

Owlswing · « **Reply #113 on:** March 21, 2016, 04:30:05 PM »

Quote from: Hope on March 21, 2016, 01:57:25 PM

Clearly you don't know Floo that well, Owl. You sometimes have to answer her directly in order to slow her down.

Are you totally blind - I was answering a post from Sassy - nothing to do with Floo!

floo · « **Reply #114 on:** March 21, 2016, 05:49:25 PM »

I am not very good at jumping to it when being TOLD what to do, I never have been.

Brownie · « **Reply #115 on:** March 21, 2016, 06:08:13 PM »

No-one is telling you what to do floo, merely asking (imploring even), that you read and comment on some of the other posts on this thread and the 'praying to saints' thread. It would be a courtesy and much appreciated. Thank you.

Sassy · « **Reply #116 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:33:07 AM »

Quote from: Owlswing on March 21, 2016, 01:47:47 PM

I do what I do for others but I do not go trumpeting it on a public forum so that I can get some blinkered non-entity called Sassy to give me praise and a pat on the back and a quote from the book of Chinese Whispers for my efforts.

You do what you do for the good of your own conscience. It is all about how you feel for having done so.
You don't get off your bum at your own expense and travel across the world to help. So you don't deserve any praise or pat on the back for doing what you should do anyway. So you see you still are not getting it. You talk of praise etc.
For us it is about doing what is normal without any praise or pats on the back.

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As to my order[ing] [my] remarks in accordance with Christian belief/understanding or not at all.

Well, so far you have proved that would be hard for you to do... It is you who thinks people deserve praise and pat on the backs for something the Christian believes is just the normal thing to do. Go figure... Do you think you need to readdress your own misguided beliefs about Christians and Christian giving. What Hope does is just works prepared for him as I said.
What is it, you cannot grasp about it being the norm and not something for praise or deserving praise???

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I wouldn't order anything in accordance with Christian belief/understanding if a man was standing behind me with a sword to decapitate me if I did not do so.

Well it would be no great loss to reasoning and understanding. You would lose your head simply because you had no idea of unselfish giving from the heart of Christ and not man. I suppose you living for yourself, stops you understanding a Christian doing works prepared for them and not for any other reason than it is the right thing to do.

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Every post that you and Hope and Vlad make on the subject only reinforces my determination never ever to return to with the Christain church or its beliefs ever again and to make my distaste for those beliefs and my reasons for that stance as often and as vociferously as possible.

Every post you make shows you have NO IDEA about/and was never a member of any true Christian Church.
You do not know the first meaning of being a Christian. And you never met Christ or God, as your ignorance to the good works shows.

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Each incident of my doing so evokes from you ever more confirmation to me that my view that Christians are trying more to convince themselves of the rightness of their beliefs than to convince others.

If you ever were a believer and I see no evidence of that in your posts. Then you would have known it is the Holy Spirit who reassures the Christian not themselves.

1 John 3:19-24King James Version (KJV)

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

You were never a Christian and even the simple beliefs and teachings prove this. You have no knowledge of the bible and the teachings imparted from God to man. So maybe the truth is you receive nothing because you are too busy making up your own false truths and when it comes up against the real truth, you fail even more miserably by showing off your ignorance.

Shaker · « **Reply #117 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:47:10 AM »

Glad to see you're taking the No True Scotsman fallacy out for its morning walk today.

floo · « **Reply #118 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:12:47 AM »

The garbage spouted by Sass is truly amazing.

ippy · « **Reply #119 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:38:52 AM »

Quote from: Floo on March 23, 2016, 10:12:47 AM

The garbage spouted by Sass is truly amazing.

Yes you're right about Sassy; why can't our Sass give replies or contributions to the posts of others without quoting at least three quarters of the bible every time, that nobody reads anyway.

It's a bit like that well known fact that apart from friends or family letters, you get the best results by keeping things succinct, to the point and best if it's all on one page, any attempt to a second page lessens the overall effect, it shouldn't do but in real life it does.

If you read this one Sass, see if you can take it in.

ippy

Leonard James · « **Reply #120 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:41:08 AM »

Quote from: ippy on March 23, 2016, 10:38:52 AM

Yes you're right about Sassy; why can't our Sass give replies or contributions to the posts of others without quoting at least three quarters of the bible every time, that nobody reads anyway.

It's a bit like that well known fact that apart from friends or family letters, you get the best results by keeping things succinct, to the point and best if it's all on one page, any attempt to a second page lessens the overall effect, it shouldn't do but in real life it does.

If you read this one Sass, see if you can take it in.

ippy

It is the constant repetition of her guide book which keeps her trapped in its bullshit.

Bubbles · « **Reply #121 on:** March 23, 2016, 11:04:06 AM »

Where there's muck there's brass

Owlswing · « **Reply #122 on:** March 23, 2016, 02:37:39 PM »

Quote from: Hope on March 21, 2016, 12:14:54 PM

Owl, you and others like ippy attribute my faith to "magical, mythical or superstition beliefs". Not sure about ippy, but you would seem, as a Pagan, to do the same - if it were true in the first place. I don't believe that a God who I have had personal experience of is 'magical, mythical or superstition'. That is why I said that I didn't disagree with ippy's point.

The difference between thee and me is that I make no secret of the fact that I admit that my FAITH is just that FAITH! - I do NOT trumpet it to all who will listen/read as FACT!

And until you and Sassy and your ilk are prepared to admit the FACT that your belief is no more FACT than mine you are still a bunch of delusional fools!

Owlswing · « **Reply #123 on:** March 23, 2016, 02:47:09 PM »

Quote from: Sassy on March 23, 2016, 09:33:07 AM

You do what you do for the good of your own conscience. It is all about how you feel for having done so.
You don't get off your bum at your own expense and travel across the world to help. So you don't deserve any praise or pat on the back for doing what you should do anyway. So you see you still are not getting it. You talk of praise etc.
For us it is about doing what is normal without any praise or pats on the back.
Well, so far you have proved that would be hard for you to do... It is you who thinks people deserve praise and pat on the backs for something the Christian believes is just the normal thing to do. Go figure... Do you think you need to readdress your own misguided beliefs about Christians and Christian giving. What Hope does is just works prepared for him as I said.
What is it, you cannot grasp about it being the norm and not something for praise or deserving praise???

Well it would be no great loss to reasoning and understanding. You would lose your head simply because you had no idea of unselfish giving from the heart of Christ and not man. I suppose you living for yourself, stops you understanding a Christian doing works prepared for them and not for any other reason than it is the right thing to do.

Every post you make shows you have NO IDEA about/and was never a member of any true Christian Church.
You do not know the first meaning of being a Christian. And you never met Christ or God, as your ignorance to the good works shows.

If you ever were a believer and I see no evidence of that in your posts. Then you would have known it is the Holy Spirit who reassures the Christian not themselves.

1 John 3:19-24King James Version (KJV)

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

You were never a Christian and even the simple beliefs and teachings prove this. You have no knowledge of the bible and the teachings imparted from God to man. So maybe the truth is you receive nothing because you are too busy making up your own false truths and when it comes up against the real truth, you fail even more miserably by showing off your ignorance.

For someone who has never met me you THINK you know a lot about me - you KNOW S F A about me - and never will because if you were the last person, apart from me, on Earth I would do everything possible to keep as much distance between us as possible as I could not stand having a bullshit book quoted chapter and verse at me a million times a day!

I do what I do and I defy you to prove that I do not!

You say I was never a Chritian - this, if nothing else, shows that you know nothing about me; I was brought up in Christianity and, at age 15, it took the hypocricy of the Sixth Commandment being preached to a bunch of soldiers in Her Majesty's foirces to take the blinkers off my eyes and let me see what a load of crap the Bible is full of!

Leonard James · « **Reply #124 on:** March 23, 2016, 03:18:54 PM »

Quote from: Owlswing on March 23, 2016, 02:37:39 PM

And until you and Sassy and your ilk are prepared to admit the FACT that your belief is no more FACT than mine you are still a bunch of delusional fools!

Bravo! We all have beliefs, and none of us can claim certain knowledge as to the existence or not of gods.

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