Deeds not words

[Owlswing]

Bravo! We all have beliefs, and none of us can claim certain knowledge as to the existence or not of gods.

Except Sassy et al . . . as they never tire of telling us poor Hell-bound unbelievers

[floo]

Bravo! We all have beliefs, and none of us can claim certain knowledge as to the existence or not of gods.

Well said.

[Brownie]

I was so pleased to see your name at the end of this thread but continue to be disappointed that you do not address many of the well thought out posts your fellow posters have written, and also not revisited the 'praying to saints' thread you started.  You must have wanted a response, more than one response I'd imagine.

[Owlswing]

I was so pleased to see your name at the end of this thread but continue to be disappointed that you do not address many of the well thought out posts your fellow posters have written, and also not revisited the 'praying to saints' thread you started.  You must have wanted a response, more than one response I'd imagine.

It would have been nice if you had included a "quote" at the head of your post to give us an idea of to whom you were speaking.

On another point - I would be interested to find out why you seem to think that Sassy needs you to watch her back on this forum.

She has a well desreved reputation for using interminable and extensive Emboldened "cut and pastes" from the KJV to illustrate just how pathetic, stupid, blind, ill-informed, uneducated, lying, Hell-bound anyone who dares to contradict her version of what Christianity and the resultant reality of this world is and stands for.

Our reading of the words of the Bible is in error because we are too stupid and ignorant to be able to understand what her God is saying even when the words and their meaning are both crystal clear to anyone with even GCE "O" level understanding of the English language, but then of course, Sassy is not referring to what the words of the Bible mean at all, she is referring to what the words of the Bible meant in 1640 something and if it is not that, then it is what the Hebrew meant and if it is not that it is because it was wrongly translated.

Her point-blank refusal to discuss anything - she does not discuss she pontificates - merely dismissing in derogatory terms the writings of anyone - not just Floo (against whom you, Brownie, seem to have started a personal vendetta in defence of Sassy), who dares to question her "truth".

Sorry, Brownie, but Sassy has, over the years earned the full amount of the opprobrium that heaped upon her here.

She does not need your protection, she has that of her God - and thus the protection of anyone mortal, including you, is unnecessary.

[Leonard James]

It would have been nice if you had included a "quote" at the head of your post to give us an idea of to whom you were speaking.

On another point - I would be interested to find out why you seem to think that Sassy needs you to watch her back on this forum.

She has a well desreved reputation for using interminable and extensive Emboldened "cut and pastes" from the KJV to illustrate just how pathetic, stupid, blind, ill-informed, uneducated, lying, Hell-bound anyone who dares to contradict her version of what Christianity and the resultant reality of this world is and stands for.

Our reading of the words of the Bible is in error because we are too stupid and ignorant to be able to understand what her God is saying even when the words and their meaning are both crystal clear to anyone with even GCE "O" level understanding of the English language, but then of course, Sassy is not referring to what the words of the Bible mean at all, she is referring to what the words of the Bible meant in 1640 something and if it is not that, then it is what the Hebrew meant and if it is not that it is because it was wrongly translated.

Her point-blank refusal to discuss anything - she does not discuss she pontificates - merely dismissing in derogatory terms the writings of anyone - not just Floo (against whom you, Brownie, seem to have started a personal vendetta in defence of Sassy), who dares to question her "truth".

Sorry, Brownie, but Sassy has, over the years earned the full amount of the opprobrium that heaped upon her here.

She does not need your protection, she has that of her God - and thus the protection of anyone mortal, including you, is unnecessary.

Wow, Owlie! A very perceptive and exact appraisal of Sass. Well done!

[Nearly Sane]

Wow, Brownie! A very perceptive and exact appraisal of Sass. Well done!

It might well be but it was Owlswing posting it in what seems to me a particularly bizarre take on Brownie asking Floo to respond to those in here other than Sassy

[Leonard James]

It might well be but it was Owlswing posting it in what seems to me a particularly bizarre take on Brownie asking Floo to respond to those in here other than Sassy

Yes, I'm afraid it was a clanger on my part. I have now corrected my post. Thank you, NS.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are some Christians who do a lot for others, but would probably do so even if they were non believers. However there are other Christians who think they have done their bit by running off at the mouth about their faith, but do nothing practical to help those in need! Deeds are much better than words, imo.

As a Christian what do you do to help others in need?

I thought it was a fact.that secular humanists were less charitable than Christians.
With the increase in secularism has come increased vilification of the needy as sponges.

[Shaker]

I thought it was a fact.that secular humanists were less charitable than Christians.
With the increase in secularism has come increased vilification of the needy as sponges.

News to me.

The only vilification of the needy as sponges of which I'm aware in this country comes from the Conservative party headed by Christian-when-it-suits-him David Cameron and especially the Catholic Iain and Duncan Smith, rather than the atheist Jeremy Corbyn who seems to be rather keen on helping the needy.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

News to me.

The only vilification of the needy as sponges of which I'm aware in this country comes from the Conservative party headed by Christian-when-it-suits-him David Cameron and especially the Catholic Iain and Duncan Smith, rather than the atheist Jeremy Corbyn who seems to be rather keen on helping the needy.

Yes but squadrons of UK voters are keeping IDS and his ilk in and JC out. Most of those voters must be non religious.
Plus the bishops have been opposing the government before the atheistCorbyn .

Your turd, sorry, turn.

[Brownie]

It would have been nice if you had included a "quote" at the head of your post to give us an idea of to whom you were speaking.

On another point - I would be interested to find out why you seem to think that Sassy needs you to watch her back on this forum.

She has a well desreved reputation for using interminable and extensive Emboldened "cut and pastes" from the KJV to illustrate just how pathetic, stupid, blind, ill-informed, uneducated, lying, Hell-bound anyone who dares to contradict her version of what Christianity and the resultant reality of this world is and stands for.

Our reading of the words of the Bible is in error because we are too stupid and ignorant to be able to understand what her God is saying even when the words and their meaning are both crystal clear to anyone with even GCE "O" level understanding of the English language, but then of course, Sassy is not referring to what the words of the Bible mean at all, she is referring to what the words of the Bible meant in 1640 something and if it is not that, then it is what the Hebrew meant and if it is not that it is because it was wrongly translated.

Her point-blank refusal to discuss anything - she does not discuss she pontificates - merely dismissing in derogatory terms the writings of anyone - not just Floo (against whom you, Brownie, seem to have started a personal vendetta in defence of Sassy), who dares to question her "truth".

Sorry, Brownie, but Sassy has, over the years earned the full amount of the opprobrium that heaped upon her here.

She does not need your protection, she has that of her God - and thus the protection of anyone mortal, including you, is unnecessary.

I'm sorry Owlswing but as my post was immediately below floo's, I assumed she (& others) would realise I was addressing her.  It was nothing about Sassy, floo responded to something Len said.  My point was that floo does not address any of us when we try to answer her questions and I really don't know why as she poses the questions, presumably to get a response.  Perhaps I should give up, in fact I will.  There's only so much dead horse flogging one can do after all.  I like floo very much, known her forum-wise since 2012.  She used to say more..  Ah well.  Anyway thanks to you Owlswing for responding. x

[Nearly Sane]

I'm sorry Owlswing but as my post was immediately below floo's, I assumed she (& others) would realise I was addressing her.  It was nothing about Sassy, floo responded to something Len said.  My point was that floo does not address any of us when we try to answer her questions and I really don't know why as she poses the questions, presumably to get a response.  Perhaps I should give up, in fact I will.  There's only so much dead horse flogging one can do after all.  I like floo very much, known her forum-wise since 2012.  She used to say more..  Ah well.  Anyway thanks to you Owlswing for responding. x

I do hope you keep posting

[Owlswing]

I'm sorry Owlswing but as my post was immediately below floo's, I assumed she (& others) would realise I was addressing her.  It was nothing about Sassy, floo responded to something Len said.  My point was that floo does not address any of us when we try to answer her questions and I really don't know why as she poses the questions, presumably to get a response.  Perhaps I should give up, in fact I will.  There's only so much dead horse flogging one can do after all.  I like floo very much, known her forum-wise since 2012.  She used to say more..  Ah well.  Anyway thanks to you Owlswing for responding. x

I was not and am not trying to get you to give up on the forum. There are good people here and, like a lot of places, there are those who spoil a good thing for good people.

I have a list of posters here that I try to avoid responding to if it is humanly possible, this allows me to repond to those who talk a reasonable amount of sense, including you.

Floo can, I know, be irritating at times, so can I and I don't even have to try!

I do sometimes have to drop out from a discussion when the egg-heads start using long words that seem to relate to philosophical or scientific concepts that are about as far over my head as the edge of outer (or even, inner) space and I can make myself look bloody stupid, I don't need help.

Stay on here, ignore those who irritate you sand keep the rest of us on our toes! Please!

Edited for typo's

[Nearly Sane]

I was not and am not trying to get you to give up on the forum. There are good people here and, like a lot of places, there are those who spoil a good thing for good people.

I have a list of posters here that I try to avoid responding to if it is humanly possible, this allows me to repond to those who talk a reasonable amount of sense, including you.

Floo can, I know, be irritating at times, so can I and I don't even have to try!

I do sometimes have to drop out from a discussion when the egg-heads start using long words that seem to relate to philosophical or scientific concepts that are about as far over my head as the edge of outer (or even, inner) space and I can make myself look bloody stupid, I don't need help.

Stay on here, ignore those who irritate you sand keep the rest of us on our toes! Please!

Edited for typo's

Can I suggest then that you don't misrepresent Brownie as having a vendetta against Floo or defending Sassy when she asked Floo to respond to other posters than Sassy? Seems to me you owe Brownie an apology.

[Brownie]

Owlswing, I didn't mean I was going to give up on the forum, only that I will give up asking floo to respond to posts. If you look back at the posts I have made on this thread, I've made so many making the same request! It's a bit exasperating but one could say that's my problem. I've known floo forever on forums and known Sassy for many years, more than five.  Leonard somewhere in between. Neither floo nor Sass need back up, they can give as good as they get but it just seems strange they provoke eachother when there are all of us 'lovely' posters (halo smilie needed here), who have things to say on the topic of a thread.  We've all three been known to have a laugh in the past and been symathetic to eachother's difficulties, but times change, so do people.  I have., I'm sure.

Nobody irritates me on here and I'm sorry if I have given the impression that they do.   I like the diversity of posters and am fond of the 'old ones'.  We need to have some fun again, we can do that over on the general forum sometimes.

Thanks too Nearly Sane.  Nobody must ever mind telling me if they think I've said something inappropriate, I'll always take it on board and try to explain what I meant.

God bless you all on this Maundy Thursday morning and, for non believers I'll add Yah boo.  I'll try and sleep in a while but if I can't, doubt anyone will stay awake with me, like someone else we know about.  That's for the eveinin though.

[Owlswing]

Owlswing, I didn't mean I was going to give up on the forum, only that I will give up asking floo to respond to posts. If you look back at the posts I have made on this thread, I've made so many making the same request! It's a bit exasperating but one could say that's my problem. I've known floo forever on forums and known Sassy for many years, more than five.  Leonard somewhere in between. Neither floo nor Sass need back up, they can give as good as they get but it just seems strange they provoke eachother when there are all of us 'lovely' posters (halo smilie needed here), who have things to say on the topic of a thread.  We've all three been known to have a laugh in the past and been symathetic to eachother's difficulties, but times change, so do people.  I have., I'm sure.

Nobody irritates me on here and I'm sorry if I have given the impression that they do.   I like the diversity of posters and am fond of the 'old ones'.  We need to have some fun again, we can do that over on the general forum sometimes.

Thanks too Nearly Sane.  Nobody must ever mind telling me if they think I've said something inappropriate, I'll always take it on board and try to explain what I meant.

God bless you all on this Maundy Thursday morning and, for non believers I'll add Yah boo.  I'll try and sleep in a while but if I can't, doubt anyone will stay awake with me, like someone else we know about.  That's for the eveinin though.

A fellow insomniac?

[Owlswing]

. . . God bless you all on this Maundy Thursday morning and, for non believers I'll add Yah boo. . .

Ah well - I suppose Yah boo is better than some things that have been said to me - especially around this trime of year and the old old discussion about the Pagan festival of Ostara supposedly from the Goddess Oestre - the same root as oestrogen and why there are eggs at Easter - so it is another Christian "pinch" from the Pagans.

Only the Venerable Bede shows any mention of the Goddess Oestre, in this country most pagans refer to the festival as the Spring Equnox, Ostara being another US 'improvement' to the UK/Europe version of neo-paganism!

Happy Easter to you Brownie.

[Sassy]

Yes you're right about Sassy; why can't our Sass give replies or contributions to the posts of others without quoting at least three quarters of the bible every time, that nobody reads anyway.

It's a bit like that well known fact that apart from friends or family letters, you get the best results by keeping things succinct, to the point and best if it's all on one page, any attempt to a second page lessens the overall effect, it shouldn't do but in real life it does.

If you read this one Sass, see if you can take it in.

ippy

Sometimes you should not need to be told why a particular passage of scripture is added.
It usually shows where the belief comes from and shows why you do not know the bible.
If you cannot understand these things should you be posting about biblical or Christian matters of faith?

[Sassy]

The difference between thee and me is that I make no secret of the fact that I admit that my FAITH is just that FAITH! - I do NOT trumpet it to all who will listen/read as FACT!

And until you and Sassy and your ilk are prepared to admit the FACT that your belief is no more FACT than mine you are still a bunch of delusional fools!

What belief do you have?
Until you are prepared to take the same steps I have to knowing why my faith is real then you are not in a position to call anyone a delusional fool, except yourself. Because by that last sentence you have already admitted your beliefs have no real basis in truth.

You believe everyone like you with beliefs? We do not make ours up. Our God is real. Sorry if you do not like it. But the truth is the truth. God is real and if you could be bothered or wanted to find him in truth, you would.

[Sassy]

For someone who has never met me you THINK you know a lot about me - you KNOW S F A about me - and never will because if you were the last person, apart from me, on Earth I would do everything possible to keep as much distance between us as possible as I could not stand having a bullshit book quoted chapter and verse at me a million times a day!

I do what I do and I defy you to prove that I do not!

You say I was never a Chritian - this, if nothing else, shows that you know nothing about me; I was brought up in Christianity and, at age 15, it took the hypocricy of the Sixth Commandment being preached to a bunch of soldiers in Her Majesty's foirces to take the blinkers off my eyes and let me see what a load of crap the Bible is full of!

Go on let off you poisonous steam and vent it well.
You just confirm you were never a christian and you are even less a gentleman or a scholar.
Look at the utter twaddle you write and insults. Grow a pair and stop moaning like a mard Ass.
If you ever have anything useful to say or discuss which does not begin and end with you and the abuse of others then let me know.
I personally find it boring with all the attributes of a disgruntled teenager with an anger problem and personality complex.

[ippy]

I thought it was a fact.that secular humanists were less charitable than Christians.
With the increase in secularism has come increased vilification of the needy as sponges.

You still can't understand secularism Vlad, what is it that you find about secularism that's so difficult for you to understand.

Removing religious privilege considerably differs from religious persecution; is it because you think that the various religious groups wouldn't be able to cope with being on a level playing field, level with everyone else?

ippy

[floo]

It would have been nice if you had included a "quote" at the head of your post to give us an idea of to whom you were speaking.

On another point - I would be interested to find out why you seem to think that Sassy needs you to watch her back on this forum.

She has a well desreved reputation for using interminable and extensive Emboldened "cut and pastes" from the KJV to illustrate just how pathetic, stupid, blind, ill-informed, uneducated, lying, Hell-bound anyone who dares to contradict her version of what Christianity and the resultant reality of this world is and stands for.

Our reading of the words of the Bible is in error because we are too stupid and ignorant to be able to understand what her God is saying even when the words and their meaning are both crystal clear to anyone with even GCE "O" level understanding of the English language, but then of course, Sassy is not referring to what the words of the Bible mean at all, she is referring to what the words of the Bible meant in 1640 something and if it is not that, then it is what the Hebrew meant and if it is not that it is because it was wrongly translated.

Her point-blank refusal to discuss anything - she does not discuss she pontificates - merely dismissing in derogatory terms the writings of anyone - not just Floo (against whom you, Brownie, seem to have started a personal vendetta in defence of Sassy), who dares to question her "truth".

Sorry, Brownie, but Sassy has, over the years earned the full amount of the opprobrium that heaped upon her here.

She does not need your protection, she has that of her God - and thus the protection of anyone mortal, including you, is unnecessary.

I make no apology for challenging the garbage spouted by Sass, and will continue to do so. To be frank I have no ideal why Brownie is on my case and defending Sass. I challenge Alan Burns and Hope all the time, and TW on the occasions he puts in an appearance.

[Brownie]

I am not on your case floo and if you read my posts carefully you would know that.  Sass is able to defend herself, she doesn't need me.  I merely pointed out something that must have been obvious to all even if they didn't think it important enough to mention.  My main point was that you do not come back and respond to posters who have taken time to reply to a question which you posed.  Anyway I said I would give up asking you;  I was so pleased to see you had posted on this thread today but am disappointed you haven't taken my point and probably haven't read most of the posts on this thread, which you started, about 'Deeds not words'.  Never mind, I won't mention it again.

[floo]

I will respond to whom I wish to respond.

[Sassy]

I am not on your case floo and if you read my posts carefully you would know that.  Sass is able to defend herself, she doesn't need me.  I merely pointed out something that must have been obvious to all even if they didn't think it important enough to mention.  My main point was that you do not come back and respond to posters who have taken time to reply to a question which you posed.  Anyway I said I would give up asking you;  I was so pleased to see you had posted on this thread today but am disappointed you haven't taken my point and probably haven't read most of the posts on this thread, which you started, about 'Deeds not words'.  Never mind, I won't mention it again.

Floo can't respond as she has nothing to offer past her question.
Her responses are just put-downs. Usually making herself look even more uneducated about the things she claims to know.