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Khatru

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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #250 on: June 02, 2016, 10:05:28 PM »
No amount of good education can open a permanently closed bias mind.

Please bear your above statement in mind and then read your below statement again....

I would see all faith schools abolished except the Christian and Jewish schools.
Because they are basically what our Countries Faith is all about.
I would not allowed any other temples to be built to defile our land with idol and false God worship.
But then I think it doesn't matter eventually Christ will return and even atheists who grit their teeth will realise that it was for nothing that they dissed Jesus and God. Because they were the only persons who really cared and they dissed them.

You're not biased but you would abolish freedom of religion if you had your way?

Our country's faith is actually about no faith.  Latest demographics show that non-religion is in the majority now.  That's the trouble with Christianity, it can't compete on an open playing field and you know it; that's why you would outlaw all other religions except your own.  It's called Christian privilege and it's been imposed on our society by believers for far too long.  Now, bit-by-bit, it's being removed and all you people can do is shout "persecution!" because you're afraid that without its unfair advantages, your myth will disappear.  Well, looks like you're right.

So let's say you get your way and all superstitions and myths (except your particular superstitions) are abolished.  Of course that will be the thin end of the wedge, so.....what next?

Abolish LGBT rights?

Make church going compulsory and impose fines and imprisonment on those who don't attend.  Christians did that before you know.

Make heresy and blasphemy a crime again?

Reintroduce the death sentence for witches?

What a cosy little world you would have us living in.

Thankfully, your ju-ju has had its day and it's being put on the bookshelf marked "mythology".

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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #251 on: June 03, 2016, 05:59:31 AM »
Please bear your above statement in mind and then read your below statement again....

You're not biased but you would abolish freedom of religion if you had your way?

Our country's faith is actually about no faith.  Latest demographics show that non-religion is in the majority now.  That's the trouble with Christianity, it can't compete on an open playing field and you know it; that's why you would outlaw all other religions except your own.  It's called Christian privilege and it's been imposed on our society by believers for far too long.  Now, bit-by-bit, it's being removed and all you people can do is shout "persecution!" because you're afraid that without its unfair advantages, your myth will disappear.  Well, looks like you're right.

So let's say you get your way and all superstitions and myths (except your particular superstitions) are abolished.  Of course that will be the thin end of the wedge, so.....what next?

Abolish LGBT rights?

Make church going compulsory and impose fines and imprisonment on those who don't attend.  Christians did that before you know.

Make heresy and blasphemy a crime again?

Reintroduce the death sentence for witches?

What a cosy little world you would have us living in.

Thankfully, your ju-ju has had its day and it's being put on the bookshelf marked "mythology".

A masterly post but do you honestly expect Sassy et al to see it that way?

THEY are the only people being persecuted, persecuted by the ungodly! Everyone except Christians deserves to be persecuted for their blasphemy of disbelief and questioning of the "Truth" as the Christians see it.

Their belief, at the level that they hold it, allows for no other belief and never will.

And yes, I truly believe that, if they and their ilk thought that they could in any way get away with it, they would form a Christian Daesh to impose it upon the world, not just the witches. All hail the Inquisition.
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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #252 on: June 03, 2016, 06:57:03 AM »
I thought Sassy's post was a bit strong, saying she would only allow faith schools if they were Christian or Jewish.  I replied to it at the time in more detail than today, no point in repeating now, as it bothered me but Sass may not have seen my post.  I hope she comes back and explains, or amplifies, what she said, though it looks pretty clear  >:(.
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« Reply #253 on: June 03, 2016, 07:42:45 AM »
I thought Sassy's post was a bit strong, saying she would only allow faith schools if they were Christian or Jewish.  I replied to it at the time in more detail than today, no point in repeating now, as it bothered me but Sass may not have seen my post.  I hope she comes back and explains, or amplifies, what she said, though it looks pretty clear  >:(.

If faith schools have to remain why not have unionist schools as well? the justification for having unionist schools would be about equal to the argument for having faith schools.

The thing about having faith schools for me, although people have every right to hold faith based beliefs; having various faith based schools affords the various faiths an unwarrented amount of importance.

In the light of these rapidly diminishing outmoded beliefs/faiths, isn't it only a matter of time before they have to go? Preferbly the faiths and beliefs should all go into the private and personal areas where they belong and should have gone years ago.

ippy
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« Reply #254 on: June 03, 2016, 08:44:08 AM »
If faith schools are to remain, ALL religions should be permitted to set them up. No religion is greater than another, as all are more than likely human creations.

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« Reply #255 on: June 03, 2016, 08:47:28 AM »
Pagan schooling would be a blast.  :D

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« Reply #256 on: June 03, 2016, 09:23:08 AM »

Pagan schooling would be a blast.  :D


Ain't that the truth! Or A truth anyway!

Even then though we would have to have a Pagan faith schools for Gardnerian Wicca, Alexandrian Wicca, Asatru, Celtic, Norse, Heathen, American Botched/Bullshit Wicca, Non-deity-specigic paganism - the list would be never-ending!
 
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« Reply #257 on: June 03, 2016, 09:32:17 AM »
Rhiannon said: "Pagan schooling would be a blast! ;D "

I bet!  From what I've read, there used to be Hedge schools in Ireland at one time....I'll get me coat.

I think faith schools are quite narrow in some respects;  I went to three.  My son went to a school for a couple of years which was a Christian foundation but they didn't make a thing out of it because anyone, of any faith or none, could go there if they had the ability. There were plenty of Hindus, Muslims and Jews, one or two Sikhs from what I remember and, undoubtedly, a lot of nominal Christians. However, some time after he had left that behind he told me that he had disliked the fact that, when being taught RE (which then was mainly Judeo-Christian though they did learn a bit about other faiths), they were told, ''This is how it is'', whereas at his next school, they were taught, ''This is what some Christians believe''.

I understood how he felt and have always thought that people should say, ''I believe...'', and not present any religious belief as fact.  I may believe in something but I cannot impose my belief on anyone else.  My faith schools were, without a doubt, far more hard-line when it came to religion.

Off the top of my head I can think of three faith schools near to me (secondary), one Catholic comp, one private convent 'grammar-type' school for girls and an Islamic boarding school for boys.  Oh there is also a Catholic sixth form college.  The Catholic comp and Vlth form have a fairly liberal and realistic approach towards faith which one would expect from state schools nowadays but what control would there be over the private sector?

The Lubavitcher schools, primary and secondary single sex schools in Stamford Hill, north London, have an extremely narrow curriculum and everything centres on the Torah and Talmud, especially for the boys who seem to learn little else.  I mean no disrespect to the Chassidic Jewish people, many of whom I have known through my working life, but quite honestly if they were not Jewish, the schools would fail OFSTED, be considered failing or failed schools and radical change would be implemented.  The people themselves, who live as a community, believe the teaching is quite sufficient for the adult lives the children will eventually embrace but it's very odd when grown men and women (the men are worse), fill in forms and write notes in a sort of pigeon-English.
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« Reply #258 on: June 03, 2016, 09:53:07 AM »
Pagan schooling would be a blast.  :D

Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

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« Reply #259 on: June 03, 2016, 09:54:34 AM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a really down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

But your religion is based on sacrifice!

You think your god killed his son (for a bit)
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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #260 on: June 03, 2016, 09:55:00 AM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)
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« Reply #261 on: June 03, 2016, 10:16:30 AM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

Sass, at school now my kids are taught about Protestants burning Catholics and Catholics burning Protestants as sacrifices to keep your God happy. In fact there's a memorial plaque to one such young man who displeased God by being the wrong kind of Christian on my local town hall. Nothing ancient about this history, Sass.

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« Reply #262 on: June 03, 2016, 10:35:21 AM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

Considering how very nasty some aspects of Christianity are, and how much violence it has caused over the years, that is twaddle, Sass!

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« Reply #263 on: June 03, 2016, 11:17:18 AM »
If faith schools are to remain, ALL religions should be permitted to set them up. No religion is greater than another, as all are more than likely human creations.

Let's have schools minus religion, where we are all brought up together and save the religious beliefs for every individual person's private time, then hopefully we may have a far better chance of meeting each other, understanding each other and getting allong with each other.

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« Reply #264 on: June 03, 2016, 11:42:25 AM »
Let's have schools minus religion, where we are all brought up together and save the religious beliefs for every individual person's private time, then hopefully we may have a far better chance of meeting each other, understanding each other and getting allong with each other.

ippy


I think that is a far better idea.

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« Reply #265 on: June 03, 2016, 12:00:04 PM »
I think that is a far better idea.

Thanks Floo, yes I would even include mixing with the the Welsh and the Irish amongst that that lot as well.

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« Reply #266 on: June 03, 2016, 12:23:30 PM »
Thanks Floo, yes I would even include mixing with the the Welsh and the Irish amongst that that lot as well.

ippy

That is kind I live in Wales, but I have Irish nationality as well as British.

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« Reply #267 on: June 03, 2016, 12:32:23 PM »
That is kind I live in Wales, but I have Irish nationality as well as British.

OK Floo, good on you, but that's not enough to prevent a gentle wind on the handle.

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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #268 on: June 03, 2016, 12:56:19 PM »
I have a bit of Northern Irish in me, can I join?  Also a bit of Jewish, my paternal grandfather's grandparents who came over here from France, so that probably counts too.   Hee hee, we are all mixed race, ain't it grand?
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« Reply #269 on: June 03, 2016, 03:20:43 PM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

Will you please give me checkable and verifiable evidence that "parents use[d] to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.

Please note - verifiable evidence not assetions with no basis in historical fact!
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« Reply #270 on: June 04, 2016, 10:32:26 AM »
A masterly post but do you honestly expect Sassy et al to see it that way?

THEY are the only people being persecuted, persecuted by the ungodly! Everyone except Christians deserves to be persecuted for their blasphemy of disbelief and questioning of the "Truth" as the Christians see it.

Their belief, at the level that they hold it, allows for no other belief and never will.

And yes, I truly believe that, if they and their ilk thought that they could in any way get away with it, they would form a Christian Daesh to impose it upon the world, not just the witches. All hail the Inquisition.

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« Reply #271 on: June 04, 2016, 10:35:40 AM »
Too ugly for reality of telling school children that parents use to sacrifice them to their pagan gods.
So not a blast at all a real down point -  after all the history is important when it comes to the fact it was built on the slaughter of innocent blood.

So Paganism not a good subject for young children. Always someone somewhere willing to go back to the old school way. :o :)

Says the person whose beliefs are based on blood, torture, sacrifice and death.

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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #272 on: June 04, 2016, 12:37:47 PM »
But your religion is based on sacrifice!

You think your god killed his son (for a bit)

God didn't kill his son... You appear mistaken between dying for sins in someone elses place and being an actual sacrifice.

Christ clearly told us... "NO ONE TAKES MY LIFE FROM ME, I GIVE IT UP FREELY."

Men like you put Christ to death.
Christ said he allowed them to take his life. The bible makes it clear he only had to say the word and Angels would rescue him.
He was without sin so angels would have stopped him being put to death he only had to ask.,
Men took his life and he allowed it. Adam died because he sinned. Jesus had no sin and so having died his death brought life for all who believed and accepted his laying down his life for another/others.

More to everything than meets the eye.
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« Reply #273 on: June 04, 2016, 01:37:05 PM »
Yeh right! :D

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Re: Deeds not words
« Reply #274 on: June 04, 2016, 01:42:00 PM »


More to everything than meets the eye.

Not when the eyes are as blind as yours!
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