YECs

[floo]

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[Walt Zingmatilder]

I realise quite a few Christians believe in the creation story in the Bible to be factual. Out of interest how many on this frum believe that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old at most?

When I was a young teenager, I asked the YEC pastor of the Pentecostal church, I was unfortunate enough to attend, where dinosaurs fitted into his young earth belief. The man said that the deity had put them there as a test of faith! My faith took a serious nose dive after that ludicrous statement!

So it all hinged on dinosaurs and one pastor then?

[floo]

I realise quite a few Christians believe in the creation story in the Bible to be factual. Out of interest how many on this frum believe that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old at most?

When I was a young teenager, I asked the YEC pastor of the Pentecostal church, I was unfortunate enough to attend, where dinosaurs fitted into his young earth belief. The man said that the deity had put them there as a test of faith! My faith took a serious nose dive after that ludicrous statement!

So it all hinged on dinosaurs and one pastor then?

No of course not, but that was when I seriously began to think about the credibility of the faith in general.

[Spud]

I'm open to the universe being billions of years old, Floo. The speed of light suggests that it is. But there are many seemingly simple things that need explaining, such as how did the moon get into its present orbit. When I started a thread about this a few years ago, all of the mechanisms suggested by scientists were shown in a YEC article to be impossible.

Dinosaurs are extinct. Evolutionists tell us that birds are their descendants. However, Theropods, the supposed ancestors of birds, "fail as stratomorphic intermediates, occurring much too late in the stratigraphic record to serve as the ancestors of birds" (http://creation.com/bird-evolution-discontinuities-and-reversals). I am a 'dinosaur-to-bird evolution denier' and ditto for apes-to-man, fish-to-amphibians etc. I do recognize microevolution though.

[~TW~]

 I do recognize microevolution though.

 Yes we all do, but it is light years, separate from evolution.

 ~TNTW~

[jeremyp]

I'm open to the universe being billions of years old, Floo. The speed of light suggests that it is.

And other things too like the cosmic microwave background radiation, the rate of expansion of the Universe, the geology of Earth and even evolution.

But there are many seemingly simple things that need explaining, such as how did the moon get into its present orbit.

The current best hypothesis is that the Moon formed as a result of the impact when a Mars sized planet collided with the proto-Earth.

When I started a thread about this a few years ago, all of the mechanisms suggested by scientists were shown in a YEC article to be impossible.

I seriously doubt that. YEC believers are generally incompetent at science.

Dinosaurs are extinct. Evolutionists tell us that birds are their descendants. However, Theropods, the supposed ancestors of birds, "fail as stratomorphic intermediates, occurring much too late in the stratigraphic record to serve as the ancestors of birds" (http://creation.com/bird-evolution-discontinuities-and-reversals).

Do you understand what that even means?

The article, by the way, was published 12 years ago. Since then, more evidence has been found in favour of the link between dinosaurs and birds, not least of which is the fact that many therapods had feathers.
 

I am a 'dinosaur-to-bird evolution denier' and ditto for apes-to-man, fish-to-amphibians etc. I do recognize microevolution though.

You can deny all you like, but you might as well deny that the Earth is round. You can't change the fact that the Theory of Evolution is true.

[Red Giant]

many therapies had feathers.

If we were truly evolved, we wouldn't have spell-chuckers.

[floo]

The Theory of Evolution might need tweaking a bit as our knowledge continues to increase, but it makes sense whereas the YEC position makes none whatsoever.

[~TW~]

I'm open to the universe being billions of years old, Floo. The speed of light suggests that it is.

And other things too like the cosmic microwave background radiation, the rate of expansion of the Universe, the geology of Earth and even evolution.

But there are many seemingly simple things that need explaining, such as how did the moon get into its present orbit.

The current best hypothesis is that the Moon formed as a result of the impact when a Mars sized planet collided with the proto-Earth.

When I started a thread about this a few years ago, all of the mechanisms suggested by scientists were shown in a YEC article to be impossible.

I seriously doubt that. YEC believers are generally incompetent at science.

Dinosaurs are extinct. Evolutionists tell us that birds are their descendants. However, Theropods, the supposed ancestors of birds, "fail as stratomorphic intermediates, occurring much too late in the stratigraphic record to serve as the ancestors of birds" (http://creation.com/bird-evolution-discontinuities-and-reversals).

Do you understand what that even means?

The article, by the way, was published 12 years ago. Since then, more evidence has been found in favour of the link between dinosaurs and birds, not least of which is the fact that many therapies had feathers.
 

I am a 'dinosaur-to-bird evolution denier' and ditto for apes-to-man, fish-to-amphibians etc. I do recognize microevolution though.

You can deny all you like, but you might as well deny that the Earth is round. You can't change the fact that the Theory of Evolution is true.

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

[floo]

I'm open to the universe being billions of years old, Floo. The speed of light suggests that it is.

And other things too like the cosmic microwave background radiation, the rate of expansion of the Universe, the geology of Earth and even evolution.

But there are many seemingly simple things that need explaining, such as how did the moon get into its present orbit.

The current best hypothesis is that the Moon formed as a result of the impact when a Mars sized planet collided with the proto-Earth.

When I started a thread about this a few years ago, all of the mechanisms suggested by scientists were shown in a YEC article to be impossible.

I seriously doubt that. YEC believers are generally incompetent at science.

Dinosaurs are extinct. Evolutionists tell us that birds are their descendants. However, Theropods, the supposed ancestors of birds, "fail as stratomorphic intermediates, occurring much too late in the stratigraphic record to serve as the ancestors of birds" (http://creation.com/bird-evolution-discontinuities-and-reversals).

Do you understand what that even means?

The article, by the way, was published 12 years ago. Since then, more evidence has been found in favour of the link between dinosaurs and birds, not least of which is the fact that many therapies had feathers.
 

I am a 'dinosaur-to-bird evolution denier' and ditto for apes-to-man, fish-to-amphibians etc. I do recognize microevolution though.

You can deny all you like, but you might as well deny that the Earth is round. You can't change the fact that the Theory of Evolution is true.

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

Well as we are here, and have evolved to be what we are today, I would say a resounding YES! TW are you a YEC?

[Owlswing]

Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

I cannot be certain that you are actually asking the question but surely for evolution to occur there must be species for it to follow-on from - that is not very well put is it? I mean how can elephants (etc) evolve if there are no elephants (etc) to evolve into something else?

[jeremyp]

many therapies had feathers.

If we were truly evolved, we wouldn't have spell-chuckers.

Many years ago one of our administrators, typing up a document about certain dumb terminals changed "wand interface" (a plug for attaching a bar code reading wand into a keyboard) into "wank interference" because it wasn't flagged by the spell checker.

Anyway, I fixed "theropods".

[jeremyp]

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

Can you try writing your posts in English?

[Gordon]

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

It did start, else we wouldn't be here, and it hasn't stopped.

[floo]

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

It did start, else we wouldn't be here, and it hasn't stopped.

I think evolution is an on going process, who knows what humans will be like in centuries to come?

[Nearly Sane]

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

It did start, else we wouldn't be here, and it hasn't stopped.

I think evolution is an on going process, who knows what humans will be like in centuries to come?

centuries in human evolution are mere sneezes.

[Red Giant]

I think evolution is an on going process, who knows what humans will be like in centuries to come?

Extinct, almost certainly.  Almost everything will be extinct.  In 50 million years the earth will be dominated by the descendants of some obscure bird or something.

[Maeght]

Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start 

More smilies, more misunderstanding of evolution. A classic TW post.

Evolution by natural selection is a gradual process taking place over generations. Lions/elephants etc are threatened by the rapid changes in the environment caused by man and by hunting. The threat to their existence has nothing to do with evolution stopping.

[Spud]

That's true, Maeght. 100 years ago lions were so numerous in Africa that they were considered vermin. They have been hunted almost to extinction.

[ippy]

Lord Richard of the Dawkins says the evlutionists have it right Tw______

Ippy

[Owlswing]

That's true, Maeght. 100 years ago lions were so numerous in Africa that they were considered vermin. They have been hunted almost to extinction.

. . . by American dentists.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I think evolution is an on going process, who knows what humans will be like in centuries to come?

Extinct, almost certainly.  Almost everything will be extinct.  In 50 million years the earth will be dominated by the descendants of some obscure bird or something.

The Discovery programme that I saw suggested intelligent amphibious squids.

[Sassy]

I realise quite a few Christians believe in the creation story in the Bible to be factual. Out of interest how many on this forum believe that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old at most?

When I was a young teenager, I asked the YEC pastor of the Pentecostal church, I was unfortunate enough to attend, where dinosaurs fitted into his young earth belief. The man said that the deity had put them there as a test of faith! My faith took a serious nose dive after that ludicrous statement!

As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

[floo]

I realise quite a few Christians believe in the creation story in the Bible to be factual. Out of interest how many on this forum believe that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old at most?

When I was a young teenager, I asked the YEC pastor of the Pentecostal church, I was unfortunate enough to attend, where dinosaurs fitted into his young earth belief. The man said that the deity had put them there as a test of faith! My faith took a serious nose dive after that ludicrous statement!

As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

And your evidence to substantiate that statement is? The Bible isn't evidence.

[Maeght]

I realise quite a few Christians believe in the creation story in the Bible to be factual. Out of interest how many on this forum believe that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old at most?

When I was a young teenager, I asked the YEC pastor of the Pentecostal church, I was unfortunate enough to attend, where dinosaurs fitted into his young earth belief. The man said that the deity had put them there as a test of faith! My faith took a serious nose dive after that ludicrous statement!

As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

It's only weird if you have certain religious beliefs.