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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #250 on: November 09, 2015, 06:19:10 PM »
Desire to believe ... not often you hear it stated that baldly.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #251 on: November 09, 2015, 06:23:09 PM »

I think I can Floo...its just a question of faith

If it's a question of faith, you have no proof, by definition.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #252 on: November 09, 2015, 06:30:04 PM »
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No need for the vast resources spent on the Hadron Collider...just a few pence spent upon a Holy Bible and a desire to believe what it tells us.

Not that I'm doubting you here Sparky, but could you just let us know where exactly the bible tells us about the Higgs-Boson please - you know, just so I can be sure that the investment in the LHC was in fact wasted because we had the answers all along.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #253 on: November 09, 2015, 06:33:50 PM »
As I've said before, if they were lying, they would not have been martyred since they would have admitted it thus avoiding execution.

It doesn't mean that [at] all, since their deaths say nothing about the truth of their cause.
Nothing? They were killed because Jewish leaders didn't want them preaching about Jesus. If they knew it would cost them their lives, why didn't they stop preaching? Surely that says something about the truth of their cause? Have a read of Acts 4.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #254 on: November 09, 2015, 06:36:20 PM »
As I've said before, if they were lying, they would not have been martyred since they would have admitted it thus avoiding execution.

It doesn't mean that [at] all, since their deaths say nothing about the truth of their cause.
Nothing? They were killed because Jewish leaders didn't want them preaching about Jesus. If they knew it would cost them their lives, why didn't they stop preaching? Surely that says something about the truth of their cause? Have a read of Acts 4.
No, it says absolutely nothing. What it does say is that they believed something to be true, not that that something actually was true, given the human propensity for believing untrue things (especially if said humans were a superstitious and in the most literal sense ignorant lot).

I don't know why so many people seem unable to grasp this point.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #255 on: November 09, 2015, 06:41:59 PM »
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No need for the vast resources spent on the Hadron Collider...just a few pence spent upon a Holy Bible and a desire to believe what it tells us.

Not that I'm doubting you here Sparky, but could you just let us know where exactly the bible tells us about the Higgs-Boson please - you know, just so I can be sure that the investment in the LHC was in fact wasted because we had the answers all along.


What the Holy Bible tells us is that God's 'dynamic energy' is the stuff that made all the stars and atoms and their scientific patterns...and then Jesus shows us how we too can harness this force in our own lives for the purpose of repair and resurrection...ultimately leading to everlasting life.

The Higgs is a bi-product of those sciences but is a little too advanced for you yet...be patient.


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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #256 on: November 09, 2015, 06:48:55 PM »
Sparky,

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What the Holy Bible tells us is that God's 'dynamic energy' is the stuff that made all the stars and atoms and there scientific patterns...and then Jesus shows us how we too can harness this force in our own lives for the purpose of repair and resurrection...ultimately leading to everlasting life.

The Higgs is a bi-product of those sciences but is a little too advanced for you yet...be patient.

Ah, so the bible doesn't mention the Higgs-Boson at all then. Probably just as well we spent all that money confirming the Higgs hypothesis the bible also fails to mention then wasn't it.





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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #257 on: November 09, 2015, 07:01:02 PM »
bluehillside...

The Holy Bible tells us all we need to know about the mechanics of the universe. It would be a much better world if we had all followed Jesus' accurate teaching. We wouldn't be on the verge of WW3 for a start, which promises to be the war that ends all wars because there will be very few left and the planet a toxic wasteland.

Still, if we try to follow Jesus many will be saved via the mechanics of resurrection whilst many others, who have no interest in a caring, loving God will cut themselves off and their electric remnant locked in the ether of Hades for all eternity...You might mention this to Jack Knave who has a particular interest in Hades. 

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #258 on: November 09, 2015, 07:03:34 PM »
Ah, electric remnant ... their early work was the best, you know.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #259 on: November 09, 2015, 07:04:23 PM »
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #260 on: November 09, 2015, 07:05:47 PM »
bluehillside...

The Holy Bible tells us all we need to know about the mechanics of the universe.
If only all those physicists and astronomers and cosmologists knew - look at all the time they've wasted painstakingly trying to work out how reality operates. What a bunch of losers.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #261 on: November 09, 2015, 07:08:23 PM »
The Holy Bible tells us all we need to know about the mechanics of the universe. It would be a much better world if we had all followed Jesus' accurate teaching.

Then why didn't Jesus have wifi?

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We wouldn't be on the verge of WW3 for a start, which promises to be the war that ends all wars because there will be very few left and the planet a toxic wasteland.

It was so much better when those Christian nations fought the second world war against each other, that was proper Biblical that was... What could be more Biblical than killing off all of humanity save for one family in a boat? It's an homage.

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Still, if we try to follow Jesus many will be saved via the mechanics of resurrection whilst many others, who have no interest in a caring, loving God will cut themselves off and their electric remnant locked in the ether of Hades for all eternity...You might mention this to Jack Knave who has a particular interest in Hades.

Sod all the mystic crap. If more of us tried to follow Jesus and treat people better in this life whilst we can the world would be a better place - you don't need to pretend like ancient Israel had advanced physics, it had a reasonable good philosopher with some great social messages: do us all a favour and focus on that.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #262 on: November 09, 2015, 07:34:33 PM »
Shaker, Outrider, bluehillside...

Though you exalt your sciences and the scientists they are a long way off from identifying the true mechanics of the universe. So ok, by trial and error and extorting the wealth of the masses they get slowly nearer and nearer but at the same time draw us closer and closer to WW3...isn't that a home-goal.

The Higgs is a process that can only work via one set of rules and those rules are the starting point for the whole of science but unfortunately we will never reach that knowledge unless we take in the instruction, freely given, in the Holy Bible, from an All Knowing God who knows all about these things and who sent his son to give us priority training in its ability to offer salvation in any set of righteous circumstances.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #263 on: November 09, 2015, 07:36:30 PM »
That's almost English, Nicky.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #264 on: November 09, 2015, 07:44:11 PM »
Thanks for that floo...but the veracity of the Gospels is proven to me...which is why I'm back.

You are entitled to your opinion, like everyone else, however you can offer no verifiable proof to substantiate your claim.

I think I can Floo...its just a question of faith...oh...and science...and study..if we want what is on offer from Jesus.

Faith is the excuse people give themselves to believe things without sufficient evidence.
Faith is never a good idea, and no one should ever use faith for anything.

No scientific assessment of any evidence has ever concluded any god of any description.
How does science detect consciousness as opposed to intelligence and stimulus and response which an unself aware mechanism could possess?

I rather think it can't it's something we all know but science can't.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #265 on: November 09, 2015, 07:44:57 PM »
That's almost English, Nicky.

Yeah...I sometimes forget that I'm conveying a very difficult concept to a crowd who have closed their minds on their only hope for salvation.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #266 on: November 09, 2015, 08:00:21 PM »
I know this for a fact because...science is led by greed.
You what, Nic?  This is possibly the daftest comment I've ever seen on this board.

Now that he is back, be prepared for many, many more!  ;)
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #267 on: November 09, 2015, 08:23:54 PM »
Though you exalt your sciences and the scientists they are a long way off from identifying the true mechanics of the universe.

Yes. They knew that already. I'm not aware that anyone has suggested science is completed.

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So ok, by trial and error and extorting the wealth of the masses they get slowly nearer and nearer but at the same time draw us closer and closer to WW3...isn't that a home-goal.

I think you're confusing the scientists who research the basic ideas and the corporate bodies that turn those scientific findings into material goods. There are very, very few wealthy scientists, and only a small portion of those get rich through basic research. Perhaps you might want to look into how businesses work before you start criticising particular elements of them - 'judge not lest ye be judged', and all that.

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The Higgs is a process that can only work via one set of rules and those rules are the starting point for the whole of science but unfortunately we will never reach that knowledge unless we take in the instruction, freely given, in the Holy Bible, from an All Knowing God who knows all about these things and who sent his son to give us priority training in its ability to offer salvation in any set of righteous circumstances.

I'm not aware of this process you term 'The Higgs' - that sounds like a dance craze. Do you perhaps mean the Higgs boson, an elementary particle in the (current) standard model of particle physics? Perhaps, in order to convince us that you have the first clue what you're talking about you might explain what you understand the Higgs particle to be - how can we trust that you can adequately gauge whether your Big Boy's Book of Jewish Bedtime Tales is right unless you understand what it is that you're claiming it's right about?

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #268 on: November 09, 2015, 09:14:40 PM »
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Me...The Higgs is a process that can only work via one set of rules and those rules are the starting point for the whole of science but unfortunately we will never reach that knowledge unless we take in the instruction, freely given, in the Holy Bible, from an All Knowing God who knows all about these things and who sent his son to give us priority training in its ability to offer salvation in any set of righteous circumstances.

You...I'm not aware of this process you term 'The Higgs' - that sounds like a dance craze. Do you perhaps mean the Higgs boson, an elementary particle in the (current) standard model of particle physics? Perhaps, in order to convince us that you have the first clue what you're talking about you might explain what you understand the Higgs particle to be - how can we trust that you can adequately gauge whether your Big Boy's Book of Jewish Bedtime Tales is right unless you understand what it is that you're claiming it's right about?

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Well...I will tell you one thing...the Higgs isn't a particle...it is a property...not unlike gravity and comes from the same route using the same mechanics...but hey...you don't believe in the Holy Bible which is the proofing ground for all of science...so you musn't expect special privileges.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #269 on: November 10, 2015, 08:05:29 AM »
Well...I will tell you one thing...the Higgs isn't a particle...it is a property...not unlike gravity and comes from the same route using the same mechanics...but hey...you don't believe in the Holy Bible which is the proofing ground for all of science...so you musn't expect special privileges.

I believe in the Bible, I have a copy myself. I don't believe the contents of the Bible in their entirety, but that's a different issue - that sort of subtlety's lost on you though, really, isn't it?

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #270 on: November 10, 2015, 09:17:46 AM »
A jury has to decide whom they believe. Not very different to anything regarding faith and witnesses. Either way the choice is the individuals. You choose whom and what you believe.

And, in both instances, we could all benefit from a better educated, less credulous populace...
The blind leading the blind would not be a good idea. Think about that before answering.


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It wouldn't... the oath in court says " I swear by Almighty God" it would hypocritical to accept an oath sworn by Almighty God then throw out the belief Jesus was real.

No-one is required to swear, it's perfectly acceptable to make an affirmation instead. You could view it as hypocrisy, I see at as one of the ironic idiosyncracies of the history of the British judiciary, but it is amusing that the rules that govern the evidence delivered within the trial don't cover the confirmations made as part of the ritual.

You missed the point. We do not swear by big pink Elephants etc. Hence that God and Jesus Christ are accepted are real in our courts. Why else would they believe people are swearing by God to tell the truth.

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Nevertheless, whether hypocrisy or just irony, testimony equivalent to the Gospels would almost certainly be deemed inadmissible as hearsay in a trial.

Wrong... having been written as an eyewitness account it is no different from a witness statement. When written it is acceptable evidence. So that is how the gospel accounts would be viewed. Written by the witness so acceptable not hearsay. Not passed down by word of a mouth but a real account written by the witness.

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It is a fact that a third of the world accept Christ as real. So by that fact alone they could not throw out that Christ actually was real.

A third? A third might or might not personally identify as Christian, certainly a significant portion of that third probably accept the idea - that means that two thirds of the world don't accept the claims. If you're making the logically invalid argument from popular opinion you're losing anyway.

Not lost anything... the experts you are so proud of flaunting will not dismiss Christ as being real. Witness accounts are written by the people who were there confirm that Christ existed and a Church in existence since he existence. Evidence outweighs your silly notions.

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Was he the Son of God? The question that everyone wants to know the answer to.

I suspect the bulk of the world don't think about it very much at all. A third of the world would love to know what they believe is true, but that doesn't mean they want to know THE answer, they want to know AN answer.

Now you are making it up. What Bulk. Everyone knows who Jesus Christ is suppose to be around the world. But the other religions lag back don't they.

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But not one everyone would act on.

On the contrary, if it were somehow proven to be the case every rational person in the world would act on it.

Now you are being silly. Many atheists admit that even if they knew it was all true about Christ they would not do anything differently want to go their own way.

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More importantly... does believing in Christ bring people into a relationship with God?

Maybe, though it seems unlikely. Certainly if other religious views are correct believing in Christ takes you further away from God, or gods, or Nirvana, or...

Well give us the arguments for and against these other religions. Oh.that's right you really don't know them but in light of that fact you still make comments that have no foundation.
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Maybe you understand not the weight and measure of who Jesus Christ is.

Or maybe I get exactly the weight and measure of it, and you don't?

I think from the things you write it is obvious you have NO idea about the weight and measure of who Jesus Christ is.

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Given what the power of his name still produces throughout the world, you would be a fool to think no truth to it.
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The same can be said of Allah, and yet the two are mutually incompatible. Given that at least one group of millions can be wrong, what reason do we have not to think that both groups of millions could be wrong?

allah hasn't done anything for anyone by just the power of his name. But people have murdered others in his name.
As you can see you haven't a clue what it means when talking about the power of Jesus name.

No point in continuing further you are just going to show yourself up, even further. Go and learn.
Come back when you actually have arguments based on sound knowledge.
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #271 on: November 10, 2015, 09:28:06 AM »
Sass you are talking about yourself again! ;D

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #272 on: November 10, 2015, 11:14:11 AM »
Sass you are talking about yourself again! ;D

You just keep on with the attacks on Sassy, don't you?  And such infantile "rhetoric!"
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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #273 on: November 10, 2015, 03:24:49 PM »
A jury has to decide whom they believe. Not very different to anything regarding faith and witnesses. Either way the choice is the individuals. You choose whom and what you believe.
And, in both instances, we could all benefit from a better educated, less credulous populace...
The blind leading the blind would not be a good idea. Think about that before answering.

I have thought about it, Sass, and there are none so blind as those that will not see. Of course, I'm sure you feel the same way.

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It wouldn't... the oath in court says " I swear by Almighty God" it would hypocritical to accept an oath sworn by Almighty God then throw out the belief Jesus was real.
No-one is required to swear, it's perfectly acceptable to make an affirmation instead. You could view it as hypocrisy, I see at as one of the ironic idiosyncracies of the history of the British judiciary, but it is amusing that the rules that govern the evidence delivered within the trial don't cover the confirmations made as part of the ritual.
You missed the point. We do not swear by big pink Elephants etc. Hence that God and Jesus Christ are accepted are real in our courts. Why else would they believe people are swearing by God to tell the truth.

No, you miss the point. 'WE' do not swear by almighty God. You might, if you choose. I would affirm on my honour. A Muslim is offered the opportunity to swear on the Qu'ran. This is because the court doesn't decide what's valid, what's important, you swear on something that is important to you.

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Wrong... having been written as an eyewitness account it is no different from a witness statement.

Except that it wasn't written by any eyewitnesses, and it wasn't written anywhere near the time when it actually happened and any eyewitnesses might actually be able to remember very much about it, and it's been significantly tampered with over time not least during the poetic translations it's had.

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When written it is acceptable evidence. So that is how the gospel accounts would be viewed. Written by the witness so acceptable not hearsay. Not passed down by word of a mouth but a real account written by the witness.

You're just wrong, saying it again doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

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It is a fact that a third of the world accept Christ as real. So by that fact alone they could not throw out that Christ actually was real.
A third? A third might or might not personally identify as Christian, certainly a significant portion of that third probably accept the idea - that means that two thirds of the world don't accept the claims. If you're making the logically invalid argument from popular opinion you're losing anyway.
Not lost anything... the experts you are so proud of flaunting will not dismiss Christ as being real. Witness accounts are written by the people who were there confirm that Christ existed and a Church in existence since he existence. Evidence outweighs your silly notions.

You tried the argument from popular authority to say that because a third of the world believed this it was, therefore right. I pointed out that one third believing means that two thirds don't, and your rebuttal is to repeat your error about eyewitness accounts - you're not only wrong, you're irrelevant to the point and wrong.

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Was he the Son of God? The question that everyone wants to know the answer to.
I suspect the bulk of the world don't think about it very much at all. A third of the world would love to know what they believe is true, but that doesn't mean they want to know THE answer, they want to know AN answer.
Now you are making it up.

Ah, the irony, it burns...

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What Bulk.

The two thirds that don't accept your particular brand of nonsense.

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Everyone knows who Jesus Christ is suppose to be around the world. But the other religions lag back don't they.

No, you're all in equal last place.

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But not one everyone would act on.
On the contrary, if it were somehow proven to be the case every rational person in the world would act on it.
Now you are being silly. Many atheists admit that even if they knew it was all true about Christ they would not do anything differently want to go their own way.

Really? Do these 'many' atheists all have girlfriends in Canada, whom I conveniently won't have met, but they definitely exist? If you had some sort of proof - I have no idea what that would be, but nevertheless - that the story of the magical Jesus was true, I'd pay close attention to the details of the claim: I'm an atheist because the case is unproven for any of the gods, not out of some ideological opposition to Christianity.

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More importantly... does believing in Christ bring people into a relationship with God?
Maybe, though it seems unlikely. Certainly if other religious views are correct believing in Christ takes you further away from God, or gods, or Nirvana, or...
Well give us the arguments for and against these other religions. Oh.that's right you really don't know them but in light of that fact you still make comments that have no foundation.

The arguments against are easy: no-one can provide any supporting evidence to justify the claims, just like you can't provide any supporting evidence for your claims.

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Maybe you understand not the weight and measure of who Jesus Christ is.
Or maybe I get exactly the weight and measure of it, and you don't?
I think from the things you write it is obvious you have NO idea about the weight and measure of who Jesus Christ is.

I think you see a category difference between the Biblical Jesus and Harry Potter means that you don't - it's almost like the difference between a theist and an atheist, isn't it?

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Given what the power of his name still produces throughout the world, you would be a fool to think no truth to it.
The same can be said of Allah, and yet the two are mutually incompatible. Given that at least one group of millions can be wrong, what reason do we have not to think that both groups of millions could be wrong?
allah hasn't done anything for anyone by just the power of his name. But people have murdered others in his name.
As you can see you have a clue what it means when talking about the power of Jesus name.

Jesus has done nothing. God has done nothing. People have murdered in their name. People have healed and taught and explored in their name, just as they have in Allah's name at times. It's almost as though the idea of gods can be inspirational, but the reality of gods remains unverified.

I suspect there is no point in continuing, because you aren't hear to listen, just to spout it seems. Never mind, I'm enjoying myself anyway, so I'll just carry on if it's alright with you. Feel free to ignore reality some more if you want, or to respond with your absolute certainty in the absence of any impact with reality, as you choose.

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Re: Why Did Christ Descend into Hades?
« Reply #274 on: November 10, 2015, 07:36:33 PM »
I was just wondering what the reason our resident Christians would give for the reason for this action by Christ. How does it fit in with your theology?

The reason Jesus descended into Hades is because he died and this is where all people go after death...unless they have upbuilt within themselves an electric component that has the strength to escape...which, if you recall...is what Jesus did, snatching the keys of life and death from the hands of the keeper of Hades as he did so. Proof that resurrection is possible for us all if we follow the same righteous laws.
So JC did all this whilst he was died?

That is what the Holy Bible says Jack. The crux being that the universe is the product of an indestructible force...a dynamic energy that is the birth-force behind all life, in fact behind all things, and all science. No need for the vast resources spent on the Hadron Collider...just a few pence spent upon a Holy Bible and a desire to believe what it tells us.
So he did all that in a state of being dead, i.e. inert?

The Bible explains nothing about the essence of the universe all it does is use words; mere words.