How to protect children/vulnerable from Christian emotional abuse?

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Really?

[Owlswing]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?
 

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

[Outrider]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

[Owlswing]

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Sad, but unfortunately, true.

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Quite a number of the ultra religious even home school their kids so they are not subjected to secular views!

[BashfulAnthony]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Quite a number of ...

Evidence!

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Really?

So why aren't you a believer?  Did you not realise you are an example...
People have to choose God. Would have thought that truth obvious to you.

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?
The Christians belong to God, you don't. All by your own choice of course.

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

It is nothing to do with the sins of the parents. Children are not punished for their parents sin.
Have to think up something better than that.

[Rhiannon]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Quite a number of the ultra religious even home school their kids so they are not subjected to secular views!

Actually it's more sinister than that. Some very religious educate their children at home to retain the right to use corporal punishment as they believe it to be set out in the Bible, especially in the US. I have spoken to a woman on an MB who had fallen under the spell of an ultra evangelical couple whilst living in France who quite literally had a rod for hitting their child, as also happens in the States. Myself and a couple of other parents were trying to persuade her of how wrong this was but she was so utterly convinced that this 'mature Christian couple' had all the answers that I very much fear she ignored us.

[Gordon]

How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?

Easily answered: they don't, since they they probably regard (as I do) the 'saved' idea as being no more than contrived religious superstition.

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Really?

So why aren't you a believer?  Did you not realise you are an example...
People have to choose God. Would have thought that truth obvious to you.

Your 'truth' and credibility are at odds!

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Quite a number of the ultra religious even home school their kids so they are not subjected to secular views!

Actually it's more sinister than that. Some very religious educate their children at home to retain the right to use corporal punishment as they believe it to be set out in the Bible, especially in the US. I have spoken to a woman on an MB who had fallen under the spell of an ultra evangelical couple whilst living in France who quite literally had a rod for hitting their child, as also happens in the States. Myself and a couple of other parents were trying to persuade her of how wrong this was but she was so utterly convinced that this 'mature Christian couple' had all the answers that I very much fear she ignored us.

As a home schooler in the past, and having a daughter who now home schools her sons, I am aware that there are quite a number of weirdo religious nutters who home school their kids. They say that they don't want their kids influenced by people who don't think their way. There are groups home schoolers can join to meet up with others as I did and my daughter does.

I think school inspectors should be obliged to visit ALL home schoolers to check up on the education they are getting. I invited the inspectors in when I home schooled our son, and my daughter does the same.

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

[Owlswing]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

It isn't made up it is a fact.

NO! It is 2,000 year old bollocks! (if you and your people can dismiss my beliefs, beliefs that existed yonks before yours as rubbish I am entitled to do the same to yours!)

[floo]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

Sass your unbelievable claptrap gets worse by the day!

[BashfulAnthony]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.

Scotty, dial the Assertotron to 11!

In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way. No one can force them as history shows. Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that people can choose what to believe in the first place.

What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

Force, perhaps not, but you can certainly control the information to which they are exposed during their formative years, moulding and shaping their intellectual architecture to put undue warrant unsubstantiated claims and singular world-views.

O.

Quite a number of the ultra religious even home school their kids so they are not subjected to secular views!

Actually it's more sinister than that. Some very religious educate their children at home to retain the right to use corporal punishment as they believe it to be set out in the Bible, especially in the US. I have spoken to a woman on an MB who had fallen under the spell of an ultra evangelical couple whilst living in France who quite literally had a rod for hitting their child, as also happens in the States. Myself and a couple of other parents were trying to persuade her of how wrong this was but she was so utterly convinced that this 'mature Christian couple' had all the answers that I very much fear she ignored us.

As a home schooler in the past, and having a daughter who now home schools her sons, I am aware that there are quite a number of weirdo religious nutters who home school their kids. They say that they don't want their kids influenced by people who don't think their way. There are groups home schoolers can join to meet up with others as I did and my daughter does.

I think school inspectors should be obliged to visit ALL home schoolers to check up on the education they are getting. I invited the inspectors in when I home schooled our son, and my daughter does the same.

Is your daughter a religious nutter, then?

[OH MY WORLD!]

"unbelievable claptrap" Really now Floo, you need to stop and look at yourself in the mirror. I know you are one of the best at spewing unbelievable claptrap

[ippy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

Sass your unbelievable claptrap gets worse by the day!

If anyone is away with the fairies I suppose they don't even realise how far it is they're away with the fairies.

ippy 

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

It isn't made up it is a fact.

NO! It is 2,000 year old bollocks! (if you and your people can dismiss my beliefs, beliefs that existed yonks before yours as rubbish I am entitled to do the same to yours!)

Is that it~? Is that your attempt at a reasoned reply?

One God religion existed before your paganism... Look up the Chinese religion which predates anything you have believed in.

You see superstition is your beliefs but God, is not  a superstition.

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

Sass your unbelievable claptrap gets worse by the day!

ALL THAT little sentence and from someone who does not know what 'claptrap' she is referring to and so cannot call it claptrap. Read the bible and avoid looking as ridiculous as your replies.

[Sassy]

The children of Christians are already acceptable to God.
In time they will choose their own way. To accept and follow the LORD or to go their own way.
No one can force them as history shows.
Do you think it is just an excuse by people who themselves have made the choice and chose none belief.
What this thread is showing, is that you cannot force even a child to believe.

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?

As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.

Sass your unbelievable claptrap gets worse by the day!

If anyone is away with the fairies I suppose they don't even realise how far it is they're away with the fairies.

ippy

Hi Fairy Ippy,

Your reasoning is so far back in the wardrobe you are in Narnia.

How are things there?

[Outrider]

Is that it~? Is that your attempt at a reasoned reply?

One God religion existed before your paganism... Look up the Chinese religion which predates anything you have believed in.

You see superstition is your beliefs but God, is not  a superstition.

I'll take 'irony' for 200 please - What is 'special pleading?'...

O.

[ippy]

And the children of non-Chrirtians are not?

Why? Is it a concept that the sin of the parents, being non-Christian, is passed to their children?



As usual Sass makes it up as she goes along!



14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Acts 16:31King James Version (KJV)

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It isn't made up it is a fact.


King James Bible
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

The promises to believers are for their children too.


Sass your unbelievable claptrap gets worse by the day!


If anyone is away with the fairies I suppose they don't even realise how far it is they're away with the fairies.

ippy


Hi Fairy Ippy,

Your reasoning is so far back in the wardrobe you are in Narnia.

How are things there?

Hi there Sass good to hear from you, don't let my posts get to you.

Mind you, you do seem to share your belief in assertions with NM, he seems to be totally unable to understand that an assertion can't be used as evidence for another assertion, why do you think that is Sass?

ippy

[ippy]

I gave up sunday school when I was 10 but then returned to church when I realised secular humanism was a load of highly suspect, man made old tosh.

Just seen this post of yours Vlad, so you've been totally unable to understand Secular Humanism from the age of ten right up to today?

Which bit of Secular Humanism is it you don't understand? I'll take a guess, all of it? Yes?

ippy