How to protect children/vulnerable from Christian emotional abuse?

[Sassy]

Hi there Sass good to hear from you, don't let my posts get to you.

Mind you, you do seem to share your belief in assertions with NM, he seems to be totally unable to understand that an assertion can't be used as evidence for another assertion, why do you think that is Sass?

ippy

Thanks for the laugh, Ippy

As if...your post would get to me... 

Assertions or  casting dispersions.

As Christianity requires neither can you explain why you appear Christianity uses assertions for evidence and what they are. Give us examples and tell us all about them....


I am sitting waiting patiently.......

[ippy]

Thanks for the laugh, Ippy

As if...your post would get to me... 

Assertions or  casting dispersions.

As Christianity requires neither can you explain why you appear Christianity uses assertions for evidence and what they are. Give us examples and tell us all about them....


I am sitting waiting patiently.......

Here's one for you Sass:

"How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?
The Christians belong to God, you don't. All by your own choice of course".

I found this lot of yours within one of your posts on this thread, it was in amongst another one of your interminable quote the bible dirges. 

There's plenty like it some more obvious than others, they often start with god says or Jesus taught us to, etc etc, mostly contained within or alongside three quarters of one bible or another that you're banging on about.

ippy

[Sassy]

Thanks for the laugh, Ippy

As if...your post would get to me... 

Assertions or  casting dispersions.

As Christianity requires neither can you explain why you appear to assume Christianity uses assertions for evidence and what they are. Give us examples and tell us all about them....


I am sitting waiting patiently.......

Whose wriggling now?

Answer the Post Ippy.  What Assertions is Christianity using as EVIDENCE...

[Sassy]

Thanks for the laugh, Ippy

As if...your post would get to me... 

Assertions or  casting dispersions.

As Christianity requires neither can you explain why you appear Christianity uses assertions for evidence and what they are. Give us examples and tell us all about them....


I am sitting waiting patiently.......

Here's one for you Sass:

"How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?
The Christians belong to God, you don't. All by your own choice of course".

I found this lot of yours within one of your posts on this thread, it was in amongst another one of your interminable quote the bible dirges. 

There's plenty like it some more obvious than others, they often start with god says or Jesus taught us to, etc etc, mostly contained within or alongside three quarters of one bible or another that you're banging on about.

ippy

Once you realise you are on the wrong track and actually understand Christianity by studying it, you will have the answer for yourself.

God has been with man since the beginning of time.
A none Christian would not even be thinking about their children being saved if they do not believe in God or Christ.

The reply by yourself has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I previously said in my post to you. And it certainly cannot be used regarding Christianity as it is about  non-christians. Does your confusion have no end to it?

[Owlswing]

God has been with man since the beginning of time.

This is the kind of utter rubbish that is the basis of the objection to enforced religious education by any specific religious group.

You still cannot grasp that Paganism existed for thousands of years before your Christ's father rearded his ugly head! You anly have to look to the Roman Gods and the Greek ones that werre in exzistence on the day BEFOIRE your Christ was born! Before he started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!

[floo]

This is the kind of utter rubbish that is the basis of the objection to enforced religious education by any specific religious group.

You still cannot grasp that Paganism existed for thousands of years before your Christ's father rearded his ugly head! You anly have to look to the Roman Gods and the Greek ones that werre in exzistence on the day BEFOIRE your Christ was born! Before he started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!

Sass is always right, repeat that 100 times you naughty boy!

[Owlswing]

Sass is always right, repeat that 100 times you naughty boy!

Yeah! A lifetime in her own legend!

[ippy]

Once you realise you are on the wrong track and actually understand Christianity by studying it, you will have the answer for yourself.

God has been with man since the beginning of time.
A none Christian would not even be thinking about their children being saved if they do not believe in God or Christ.

The reply by yourself has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I previously said in my post to you. And it certainly cannot be used regarding Christianity as it is about  non-christians. Does your confusion have no end to it?

So the following words written, I assume by you, isn't just another one of your assertions; looks very much like an assertion to me, as follows, a repeat because it looks like you missed it the first time I pointed it out to you:

"How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?
The Christians belong to God, you don't. All by your own choice of course".

You make so many assertions it seems you don't even realise when you're presenting yet another.

ippy

PS I noticed there's another two assertions of yours in your post 203 on this thread.

[floo]

Yeah! A lifetime in her own legend!

 

[Sassy]

This is the kind of utter rubbish that is the basis of the objection to enforced religious education by any specific religious group.

You still cannot grasp that Paganism existed for thousands of years before your Christ's father rearded his ugly head! You anly have to look to the Roman Gods and the Greek ones that werre in exzistence on the day BEFOIRE your Christ was born! Before he started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!

Utter rubbish... paganism is just what you have because Christ's Father exists.
It is everything and anything that is untrue and no part of the truth about God.

Now there is more truth there then you can handle but I speak that it will sink in and nothing will stop it annoying you till you accept it.

Without God paganism would not exist...   Ain't that the truth...

[Sassy]

So the following words written, I assume by you, isn't just another one of your assertions; looks very much like an assertion to me, as follows, a repeat because it looks like you missed it the first time I pointed it out to you:

"How can non-christians expect their children to be saved if they have no part in the truth about Christ?
The Christians belong to God, you don't. All by your own choice of course".

You make so many assertions it seems you don't even realise when you're presenting yet another.

ippy

PS I noticed there's another two assertions of yours in your post 203 on this thread.

I guess you know more about casting dispersions and aversions than assertions. You do enough of the previous two...l

[Shaker]

Without God paganism would not exist...   Ain't that the truth...

No.

[Sassy]

No.

It is true... you know it, I know it and so does the rest of the world.
Unless you are going to cherry pick it's origin.
Which SHAKES, you know you can't.

Who has an open mind now?

[Shaker]

It is true...

No it isn't.

you know it, I know it and so does the rest of the world

No I don't, no you don't and no they don't.

Unless you are going to cherry pick it's origin.
Which SHAKES, you know you can't.

Who has an open mind now?

Who has a mind of any description at all, closed or otherwise? Not you, for sure.

[Hope]

This is the kind of utter rubbish that is the basis of the objection to enforced religious education by any specific religious group.

You still cannot grasp that Paganism existed for thousands of years before your Christ's father rearded his ugly head! You anly have to look to the Roman Gods and the Greek ones that werre in exzistence on the day BEFOIRE your Christ was born! Before he started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!

Sorry to disappoint you, Matt, but the Jews had heard about Christ's father long before Christ was born - they had been worshipping him for some 1500 years before Christ.  Now, I'm not sure when the Roman Gods became popular - was it before the establishment of Rome in the 8th century BC or after; similarly, the Greek Gods - did they predate the development of the different Greek tribes or not?  However, if you're goiing to try to make points that sound remotely viable, you need to get your facts correct.

[floo]

Sorry to disappoint you, Matt, but the Jews had heard about Christ's father long before Christ was born - they had been worshipping him for some 1500 years before Christ.  Now, I'm not sure when the Roman Gods became popular - was it before the establishment of Rome in the 8th century BC or after; similarly, the Greek Gods - did they predate the development of the different Greek tribes or not?  However, if you're goiing to try to make points that sound remotely viable, you need to get your facts correct.

Just because the Jews has been worshipping that unpleasant deity for a good while doesn't mean it actually exists, or anything attributed to it has any meaning.

[Hope]

Just because the Jews has been worshipping that unpleasant deity for a good while doesn't mean it actually exists, or anything attributed to it has any meaning.

I would disagree with your underlying premis, Floo, since that deity - who when all is said and done - is remarkably 'pleasant' when compared to the other deities of the time (or human nature of the time if you insist on the idea that there is no such thing as a deity).

However, the point of my post was to remind Matt that the deity concerned had been being worshipped for some 1500 years, contary to his claim that "Before he (Christ) started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!"  In other words, said deity had been being worshipped (and had therefore been heard of) for as long as, if not longer than the Roman and Greek gods he consequently mentioned.

[Outrider]

I would disagree with your underlying premis, Floo, since that deity - who when all is said and done - is remarkably 'pleasant' when compared to the other deities of the time (or human nature of the time if you insist on the idea that there is no such thing as a deity).

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that the New Testament deity is less unpleasant that some of the contemporaries, I'd question a) whether he was better than all of the (the Greek and Roman pantheons, for instance, had a number of entirely more personable deities), b) whether the fact that the New Testament and Old Testament deity are supposed to be the same entity means that your God is capable of the mentality shown in the earlier work and c) whether the supposed perfect source of moral guidance shouldn't be noticably better than even the New Testament depiction.

However, the point of my post was to remind Matt that the deity concerned had been being worshipped for some 1500 years, contary to his claim that "Before he (Christ) started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!"  In other words, said deity had been being worshipped (and had therefore been heard of) for as long as, if not longer than the Roman and Greek gods he consequently mentioned.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Whilst there is a thread of worship, the depiction of the deity that worshipped in those earlier days was a warrior god of a small pantheon, not the singular creator of all reality - the church stayed the same, but as its influence grew the theology changed to suit, almost as though it was being made up as it went along.

O.

[floo]

I would disagree with your underlying premis, Floo, since that deity - who when all is said and done - is remarkably 'pleasant' when compared to the other deities of the time (or human nature of the time if you insist on the idea that there is no such thing as a deity).

However, the point of my post was to remind Matt that the deity concerned had been being worshipped for some 1500 years, contary to his claim that "Before he (Christ) started preaching no-one had even heard of his father!"  In other words, said deity had been being worshipped (and had therefore been heard of) for as long as, if not longer than the Roman and Greek gods he consequently mentioned.

I doubt any other deity could be worse than the psycho featured in the Bible!

[Brownie]

Whilst I wouldn't claim to have been first in the queue when intelligence was handed out, I have always been one of the awkward squad. It is therefore not surprising that in spite of my religious upbringing I started to question my faith, and when the answers didn't make any sense I lost it.

Ooh you old iconoclast floo!  A woman after my own heart.  More people should challenge establish beliefs.

Laws exist nowadays to protect kids, few parents would indoctrinate or put the fear of God into kids and schools have to be careful.  Quite right too though there is nothing wrong in sharing your beliefs with your kids - if you didn't you would be buttoned up.

I was speaking of Christian parents:  we have ultra-orthodox Jewish sects who live in particular areas (not communally but they are a community), who are very strict about dress, customs, religious observation and their schools do not give an all round education.  The girls actually do a bit better than the boys whose main education is Torah and Talmud.  No-one ever says anything against them, probably because there's no trouble, they are generally self regulated and when they do mix 'outside', they are good natured.   However, one could accuse them of indoctrinating their kids.

[ippy]

I guess you know more about casting dispersions and aversions than assertions. You do enough of the previous two...l

Sass, fancy a game "spot the assertion", each time I see one of your posts I'll list out how many assertions you're making again, I know it seems like I'm setting myself up as judge and jury, but don't worry about that Sass, there's plenty on the forum that won't let me get away with anything.

Anyway I'll start judging any posts of yours I see from today and will let you know how many assertions per post you're doing; sounds fair to me Sass, what do you think?

If I wasn'doing this service for you, I don't think you'd realise how many times you keep on asserting time after time after time after time, only trying to help Sass.

ippy

P S I was thinking Sass, I know that doesn't often happen, spot the assertion wouldn't be fair to you, I'm so sorry Sass, I completly forgot the whole of the majority of your posts are assertions.

[ippy]

Sass, fancy a game "spot the assertion", each time I see one of your posts I'll list out how many assertions you're making again, I know it seems like I'm setting myself up as judge and jury, but don't worry about that Sass, there's plenty on the forum that won't let me get away with anything.

Anyway I'll start judging any posts of yours I see from today and will let you know how many assertions per post you're doing; sounds fair to me Sass, what do you think?

If I wasn'doing this service for you, I don't think you'd realise how many times you keep on asserting time after time after time after time, only trying to help Sass.

ippy

P S I was thinking Sass, I know that doesn't often happen, spot the assertion wouldn't be fair to you, I'm so sorry Sass, I completly forgot the whole of the majority of your posts are assertions.

What's up Sass, can't answer without making assertions?

ippy

[Brownie]

Sass is always right, repeat that 100 times you naughty boy!

Pots and kettles spring to mind Floo!

[Sassy]

No it isn't.No I don't, no you don't and no they don't.Who has a mind of any description at all, closed or otherwise? Not you, for sure.

No argument there to support your position.

We can see clearly the closed mind you have.

[Sassy]

What's up Sass, can't answer without making assertions?

ippy

Why not show us the assertions in my posts already made without using any assertions in the post you reply with.

Jesus Christ is a statement of fact.
God is a statement of fact.

Now you proving God didn't exist is impossible. Would be an assertion on your part wouldn't it.

Get the idea now. Was trying to save you some face. However, it is impossible sometimes because you are insistent  if nothing else.

Smile God loves you.