He knows therefore he controls?

[Outrider]

But I am proposing determinism. We are that which determines.

I'm pretty sure that's not the conventional understanding of determinism, unless I've misunderstood what you're saying.

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But I am proposing determinism. We are that which determines.

Do you get a sweet for every word you misuse?
If so, I suggest you get checked for diabetes
deŠterŠmin|ism.[dɪˈtəːmɪnɪz(ə)m]NOUN
1.philosophythe doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes regarded as external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.

Sorry you were suggesting that a big thing if not the big thing is that there is only one course of action. I agree, there will only ever be one  We are what determines what that course of action is.

[Nearly Sane]

Sorry you were suggesting that a big thing if not the big thing is that there is only one course of action. I agree, there will only ever be one  We are what determines what that course of action is.

Sorry, you will need to unpack that. It might have made sense in your head but it's meaningless.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sorry you were suggesting that a big thing if not the big thing is that there is only one course of action. I agree, there will only ever be one  We are what determines what that course of action is.

Sorry, you will need to unpack that. It might have made sense in your head but it's meaningless.

Ok Determinism means only one course of history possible right?
Well, There is but it is us who determine it.

You can't change the future because it doesn't exist yet.

[Andy]

Sorry you were suggesting that a big thing if not the big thing is that there is only one course of action. I agree, there will only ever be one  We are what determines what that course of action is.

Sorry, you will need to unpack that. It might have made sense in your head but it's meaningless.

Ok Determinism means only one course of history possible right?
Well, There is but it is us who determine it.

You can't change the future because it doesn't exist yet.

Except that our existence is determined by god in the first place, so that supersedes everything.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sorry you were suggesting that a big thing if not the big thing is that there is only one course of action. I agree, there will only ever be one  We are what determines what that course of action is.

Sorry, you will need to unpack that. It might have made sense in your head but it's meaningless.

Ok Determinism means only one course of history possible right?
Well, There is but it is us who determine it.

You can't change the future because it doesn't exist yet.

Except that our existence is determined by god in the first place, so that supersedes everything.

Are you saying then that God determines everything? That then introduces the ''Dreaded illusion of something that doesn't exist'' paradox....surely?

[Andy]

In English?

[jeremyp]

Doesn't it?

If I am omniscient then I know everything that is going to happen in the future. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the future is completely determined. Note that that doesn't imply I have control over or necessarily ever had control over the future.

If you know all but have neither created what you know nor have the power to directly influence it, then no I don't think so. This isn't the classical depiction of the Christian deity, I know, but in and of itself omniscience doesn't result in control.

I didn't say that omniscience does result in control, I said it means the the Universe is determined. That doesn't mean that the Universe is determined by the omniscient one.

[jeremyp]

But I am proposing determinism. We are that which determines.

I'm pretty sure that's not the conventional understanding of determinism, unless I've misunderstood what you're saying.

O.

I agree. By my decisions I determine some future events, but my decisions are themselves determined by previous events.

[Outrider]

Doesn't it?

If I am omniscient then I know everything that is going to happen in the future. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the future is completely determined. Note that that doesn't imply I have control over or necessarily ever had control over the future.

If you know all but have neither created what you know nor have the power to directly influence it, then no I don't think so. This isn't the classical depiction of the Christian deity, I know, but in and of itself omniscience doesn't result in control.

I didn't say that omniscience does result in control, I said it means the the Universe is determined. That doesn't mean that the Universe is determined by the omniscient one.

Agreed

O.