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Rhiannon

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The Ripper Years
« on: November 02, 2015, 10:13:11 AM »
Devastatingly thought-provoking piece here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34615802

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2015, 11:16:45 AM »
I grew up on the edge of East Lindon but even so I remember the terror I felt about the Ripper. Sexual abuse of one kind or another was rife as I hit my teens in the early 80s. Mostly it was older boys in Ford Capris or dirty old men having a wank in alleyways, but there was other stuff too - a friend was raped by her friend's uncle, another was paid to go to an old man's flat on her lunch break for - well. You get the picture.

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2015, 11:22:53 AM »


Thanks for posting this Rhinnon.  I saw the article yesterday and wanted to post it for discussion, but felt that some trolls here would accuse me of targeting Britain... by pointing out sexual crimes and abuse etc.  ::)

I instead chose to post about UK minimum wage...but ironically that met with the same fate!  :D

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2015, 11:26:23 AM »
My father had four daughters he wished to marry off to chaps with good prospects. I met my husband to be when I was fifteen and married four years later. I never went out and about in the evenings ever, so was never in danger from ripper type guys if there had been such on our small island.

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 02:48:38 PM »
No we can't. The Moors Murders particularly and especially, because of the specifics of the crimes and their decades-long aftermath, remain to a certain extent even now an unhealed sore in the British psyche. No museums to Brady and Hindley. What a truly pathetically ignorant, blitheringly uninformed remark surpassing even your usual wretched standards.
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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 04:29:55 PM »
No we can't. The Moors Murders particularly and especially, because of the specifics of the crimes and their decades-long aftermath, remain to a certain extent even now an unhealed sore in the British psyche. No museums to Brady and Hindley. What a truly pathetically ignorant, blitheringly uninformed remark surpassing even your usual wretched standards.

Well said.

Brady is suffering a punishment that he never envisaged - he is being made to live with his crimes instead of being allowed to starve himself to death and escape from his demons!

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2015, 09:47:03 AM »
What really bugs me is that we never get any closer to understanding why these things happen.  Everybody just wants to reinforce their own prejudices.


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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2015, 09:52:24 AM »
I agree. Do I think white working class girls are safer than in my day? No. Do I think girls from ethnic minority backgrounds can talk about what happens behind closed doors? No. Are men still making rape jokes? Yes, although these days 'edgy' female comics join in. Do I have to continually think about being safe, my daughters being safe? Yes, because if I drive alone at night or walk the dog without my mobile or if they walk from school in the dark we will be accused of 'risky' behaviour. The only difference I can see between the cases in India and what happens here is that the judiciary are more willing to act, but even then they go in for their fair share of victim blaming.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2015, 11:54:19 AM »
The blame culture is more insidious than that. For the last couple of years we've got a letter from the senior school saying that suspicious-looking men in a van have been approaching girls outside a school in the area. It includes 'advice' from the police that 'parents should be vigilant' and that girls shouldn't walk home or into town alone or in pairs, but only in groups. The inference is that if they do and something happens, advice from police is ignored and the girls and/or their parents are negligent or complicit in some way.

If I meet a friend for dinner I have to walk through an alleyway to get to the car park, often in the dark. This goes against 'advice' to avoid alleyways - by inference women who do this are complicit if something happens. Even wearing heels goes against safety advice as it means you can't run.

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2015, 12:05:15 PM »
I grew up on the edge of East Lindon but even so I remember the terror I felt about the Ripper. Sexual abuse of one kind or another was rife as I hit my teens in the early 80s. Mostly it was older boys in Ford Capris or dirty old men having a wank in alleyways, but there was other stuff too - a friend was raped by her friend's uncle, another was paid to go to an old man's flat on her lunch break for - well. You get the picture.

I remember the ripper but I never felt threatened by it, maybe because I lived a long way away in a village.

I remember a " dirty old man in his fifties " who I was expected to ignore who used to follow me in his car, asking me to get in.

Everyone knew who he was and what he was like, he had a reputation in the village, and I just ignored him and walked on the other side of the road, which is what my parents advised.

Nowadays the police would have had him for stalking, back then you just ignored him or if he came to close and made contact you slapped them one.

I wasn't shy of handing out a resounding slap when the need arose.

I'm not sure things have changed that much, except old men who stalk school age girls are taken more seriously now.

I think the attitude then was that if a girl didn't put up a good fight, she was asking for it.

That attitude has changed, I think.

Not by much and not nearly enough it hasn't!

Both my daughters at around age 14 were assualted.

The older one had her backside groped at the school gates in full view of a male teacher and, when she gave the boy a good slap, the atttacker complained to said teacher who advised him that if he had kept his hands to himself he would not have got hit, The boys parents tried to have my daughter charged with assault and only gave up when the teacher said he would give evidence in court as to the reason for the boy getting "assaulted" and the school said that they would make the CCTV footage available also.

The younger one was fairly physically precocious at 14 - she was at that age 40DD - and a boy, of North African origin, in class, grabbed her brastrap, twisted it tight and called on the class to "look at the size of her tits, they are bigger than my mothers" - he then told her that some time soon, when he was in the right mood, he was going to fuck her. Complaints were made, not least because the teacher of the class at the time this happened, who was in the room, was the school's headmaster. We were told that it was a minor incident, which, if pursued, would reflect badly on our attitude to both religious and ethnic minorities (an almost polite way of calling us racist) and that my daughter should grow a thicker skin. A few days later my daughter was told that, where he, the boy, came from, women did what they were told and he would be screwing her very soon. Needless to say she was in another school four days later. The Headmaster and his deputy were later dismissed for failing to protect female pupils from a temporary teaching assistant who was on the Sexual Offenders register. The boy spent a long holiday as a guest of one of Her Majesties prisons for a string of rapes and sexual assaults, his parents got sentenced for aiding an offender by trying to get him out of the country.

Thigs ARE improving but far far too slowly. There is still victim shaming as when my younger daughter was told that, to prevent a recurrence of the incident she should, perhaps, make her boobs look smaller!

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2015, 12:06:30 PM »
The blame culture is more insidious than that. For the last couple of years we've got a letter from the senior school saying that suspicious-looking men in a van have been approaching girls outside a school in the area. It includes 'advice' from the police that 'parents should be vigilant' and that girls shouldn't walk home or into town alone or in pairs, but only in groups. The inference is that if they do and something happens, advice from police is ignored and the girls and/or their parents are negligent or complicit in some way.

If I meet a friend for dinner I have to walk through an alleyway to get to the car park, often in the dark. This goes against 'advice' to avoid alleyways - by inference women who do this are complicit if something happens. Even wearing heels goes against safety advice as it means you can't run.

Carry a can, a large can, of hairspray!
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

Rhiannon

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2015, 12:14:29 PM »
I once attended a safety talk by police who said that you have to be able to justify what you carry. So a large can of hairspray is out, but a handbag - sized one or bottle of scent is ok. Single knitting needles are out, a pair is ok. A cricket or baseball bat on its own in the car is an offensive weapon, as part of a sports kit it isn't.

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2015, 12:20:01 PM »
I once attended a safety talk by police who said that you have to be able to justify what you carry. So a large can of hairspray is out, but a handbag - sized one or bottle of scent is ok. Single knitting needles are out, a pair is ok. A cricket or baseball bat on its own in the car is an offensive weapon, as part of a sports kit it isn't.

Bloody typical!

Is it any wonder that the cops call the CPS - Crown Prosecution Service - the Criminal Protection Service?
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

Rhiannon

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Re: The Ripper Years
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2015, 12:26:30 PM »
At least they weren't telling us that we couldn't protect ourselves at all.

This is worth a look and shows that consent classes are very much needed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34470205