Whites death rate rise.....

[Nearly Sane]

How is Sriram's post raising anything about deficiencies in the West? what the stats are for the caste system have no relevance to the topic.


I disagree with Sriram on nearly everything buy the behaviour on this thread to him is just a bunch of prejudiced drivel.

[Owlswing]

How is Sriram's post raising anything about deficiencies in the West? what the stats are for the caste system have no relevance to the topic.


I disagree with Sriram on nearly everything buy the behaviour on this thread to him is just a bunch of prejudiced drivel.

As is your right, please allow me the same consideration for my views of his posts.

[Udayana]

From the CNN article:

What might explain the change in death rate among middle-aged whites is this, Case said: Fewer economic opportunities, especially for those with less education, have led to more despair and worse health, and in turn more abuse of drugs and alcohol.

"We have a lot more work to do to pin down how much of this has to do with not having as many economic resources with just a high school degree," and how much of it is due to other factors, such as less secure pension plans, Case said.

The article talks only about the relative change in death rate within the racial groups, not comparing the actual death rates: There has always been a big difference in mortality rates for the different groups in the USA - but apparently education has been a bigger factor. 

Maybe economic woes are now affecting the less educated white, who were previously protected from them?
 

[Sriram]

Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider.  At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel.    Thanks a lot. 

Its more than trolling.  Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise!   

[ippy]

Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider.  At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel.    Thanks a lot. 

Its more than trolling.  Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise!   

Amongst any group of people there will be sub groups like white people's death rates in the US where there are no straight answers just as in India where currently there is a buzz with the caste system helping to open windows, by subtraction, on how DNA works, maybe the DNA could be a part of the whole, ding ding!

ippy

[Udayana]

Do mean it could be "part of the whole" with a "ding ding" to wake us up to the idea or do you mean you are talking about a "whole ding ding" whatever that is?

Honestly ippy, each of your passing posts make less and less sense!  How is studying the caste system going to explain how DNA works? If anything, it may be the other way round - studying DNA may help us understand how the caste system has operated.

How is DNA any explanation for increasing "white" mortality in the USA?

[ippy]

Do mean it could be "part of the whole" with a "ding ding" to wake us up to the idea or do you mean you are talking about a "whole ding ding" whatever that is?

Honestly ippy, each of your passing posts make less and less sense!  How is studying the caste system going to explain how DNA works? If anything, it may be the other way round - studying DNA may help us understand how the caste system has operated.

How is DNA any explanation for increasing "white" mortality in the USA?

West Indians have a tendency to suffer with sickle cell, a blood disorder, it's a trade off it gives some protection against malaria but causes other ailments, a group disorder well known to be a tendency the Black West Indian group of people often have.

Find out where the DNA differs from those that do not have sickle cell, it helps to locate where it is in the human DNA chain and so with any other group that has interbreed for generations (like Indian caste groups), and then have their own health problems peculiar to their group because of interbreeding and on and on.

I thought it was obvious without having to explain, that's why I didn't make a meal of it.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?

[Owlswing]

Oh....thanks Nearly Sane and Outrider.  At last someone questions these trolls who keep following me around with their ridiculous drivel.    Thanks a lot. 

Its more than trolling.  Now I know how it is to be stalked around....a la Tom Cruise!   

If you compare yourself to Tom Cruise you are even more arrogant than I thought. Most of the "trolling" he gets is becasue of his attachment to Scientology.

[ippy]

How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?

When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.

That's it that's your lot.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?

When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.

That's it that's your lot.

ippy

Eh? What you seem to be implying, though why you want to be gnomic I have no idea, is that there is a specific genetic mutation which was previously beneficial in some way, that now is leading to a change indirection death rates such that having increased it is now a drag back? That makes no sense unless you factor in some additional change in the environment as what would happen is a flattening of the trend not a reversal.

Do you want to show your working here because otherwise it's coming across as if you don't really understand what you are talking about?

[ippy]

How does sickle cell relate to a recent increase in the death rate for a specific group which goes against the long term trends for that group?

When giving an example I happened to choose a well known genetic disorder, I could just as well invented a umpa jumpa genetic disorder to make the same point.

That's it that's your lot.

ippy

Eh? What you seem to be implying, though why you want to be gnomic I have no idea, is that there is a specific genetic mutation which was previously beneficial in some way, that now is leading to a change indirection death rates such that having increased it is now a drag back? That makes no sense unless you factor in some additional change in the environment as what would happen is a flattening of the trend not a reversal.

Do you want to show your working here because otherwise it's coming across as if you don't really understand what you are talking about?

Just read back through my posts on this subject, your missing something; if you think not, you tell me what you think I mean.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

[ippy]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.

ippy

So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?

[ippy]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.

ippy

So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?

Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?

Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.

ippy

So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?

Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?

Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?

ippy

My reading of your posts is:


A genetic mutation, like sickle cell, may explain the reversal in death rates discussed in the OP.

I have simply asked you to explain how you see that as working.

[Hope]

Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?!  This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof.  Thanks.

Hi Sri, I was trying to reduce the impact of ippy's and some others' posts.  As for the issue as regards the US, I'm not sure that the majority of us are in a position to comment on them since very few of us live there.  We can quote stats we gather from the net, we can even quote reports and studies - but without actually being part of a culture - it can be difficult to be sure of the accuracy of such things.

[Nearly Sane]

Hope...would you mind not digressing into unrelated issues please?!  This thread is about whites death rate increasing in the past 15 years in the US...and the reasons thereof.  Thanks.

Hi Sri, I was trying to reduce the impact of ippy's and some others' posts.  As for the issue as regards the US, I'm not sure that the majority of us are in a position to comment on them since very few of us live there.  We can quote stats we gather from the net, we can even quote reports and studies - but without actually being part of a culture - it can be difficult to be sure of the accuracy of such things.

Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?

[Hope]

Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?

How often do you trust American critiques of British society, NS?

[ippy]

I just did in the last post. That's the bit where I put about what you seemed to be implying. I then laid out my issue with it.

Please explain how a specific genetic mutation would reverse a long term trend and still have been selected for because of beneficial asoects rather than lead to a reduction in increased life expectancy?

You seem to think I've said more than I have, you've misread me somewhere, somehow, none of this post of yours relates to anything I have put forward.

ippy

So the question is what are you putting forward? That's what I've been asking you. If I am getting it wrong,it might behoove you to expand rather than complain about that. So once again what sort of genetic mutation and how might is work to reverse a trend of reduction of death rates in this group would happen, obviously taking into account the reasons for increase in deaths as covered in the OP?

Why do you think I've put forward more than I actually have?

Another post of yours that doesn't relate to my previous posts, why's that?

ippy

My reading of your posts is:


A genetic mutation, like sickle cell, may explain the reversal in death rates discussed in the OP.

I have simply asked you to explain how you see that as working.

Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving  genetic research a boost as you can immagine.

I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.

I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.

Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?

ippy

[Udayana]

Well, ippy it seems we are still wondering what you are on about.

Obviously some groups have genetic disorders, I have not come across any that have been associated with (in your opinion) "inbred" Indian castes  - and certainly don't see how this could "boost" DNA research.

Of-course I fully understand how DNA research can help explain and work with known disorders, such as sickle cell anemia - however this has absolutely no relation to the "white" deaths by substance abuse and suicide that this thread is about.

[Nearly Sane]

Arrgh, I get it now, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, Udayana didn't understand how that various closed groups of us humans like West Indians have inbreed and have a common genetic disorders, likewise the Indian castes interbreed and have their common genetic disorders, each caste having their own kind of disorder, which in tern is giving  genetic research a boost as you can immagine.

I was explaining this to Udayana and as well as explaining this part of genetic research to him I had also suggested that this could be a part the problem of the white population's death rate in the US, certainly not the whole picture; or it might not apply at all, thus suggestion.

I really thought that most of the things I was writing about were more or less common knowledge, the Indian cast boost to genetic research is quite recent news.

Perhaps you can now see how I was wondering what it was you were talking about?

ippy

Nope, that doesn't seem to help. My reading of Udayana's posts is that they understand the concept of closed groups - just not the relevance to the OP in terms of an explanation. What is the relevance to the OP of the caste suytem in India and any genetic effects of it?

[Udayana]

Also, I must point out although it is off-topic, that sickle cell anemia has nothing to do with "in-breeding" either.

[Nearly Sane]

Arrrrrrgh! You appear to be arguing that anecdote trumps facts. Why do you think being part of a culture would mean you would be better at judging a real correlation as opposed to one that merely our restricted experiences would?

How often do you trust American critiques of British society, NS?

This is about scienific reearch. not 'critiques'. You do understand the concept of 'disinterested'?