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Re: Offerings
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2015, 02:36:45 PM »
Hope makes claims for God that aren't made for unicorns.

Tbh I wouldn't have let my girls read books about Hope's god, they'd have got some very funny ideas about parenting. They liked the unicorn ones though.

I didn't intend any offence to Unicorns or Unicornists.

I don't know that much about Unicorns but amongst the other things he claims, he persistently requests for proof of the existence of his god idea as well, I'm only trying to point out to him the futile nature of these requests of his, I just happened to use Unicorns, I could just as well have  chosen Fairies.

I can't make out why he isn't receiving, it never sinks in, well it hasn't yet.

The last post of his that I was trying to reply to, is telling me I'm making assertions, if that's so where and when was this proof of the existence of his god idea announced? I must have missed it.   

ippy

If I had chosen Star Trek would that have been Treckrilidge?
 

Will you never grow out of your infantile addiction to silly talk of magic and the like.  It is so very hackneyed.  Do try harder!

You haven't B A, so why should I?

ippy

And please quote any post I have ever spoken in terms of unicorns and fairies and magic-makers, etc.

You talk about god, jesus, coming back from the dead, walking on water as though they are real? what's the difference?

There's no more evidence for one than the other.

Mind you, Star Trek, well?

ippy
 

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Re: Offerings
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2015, 02:40:49 PM »
Hope makes claims for God that aren't made for unicorns.

Tbh I wouldn't have let my girls read books about Hope's god, they'd have got some very funny ideas about parenting. They liked the unicorn ones though.

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didn't intend any offence to Unicorns or Unicornists.

I don't know that much about Unicorns but amongst the other things he claims, he persistently requests for proof of the existence of his god idea as well, I'm only trying to point out to him the futile nature of these requests of his, I just happened to use Unicorns, I could just as well have  chosen Fairies.

I can't make out why he isn't receiving, it never sinks in, well it hasn't yet.

The last post of his that I was trying to reply to, is telling me I'm making assertions, if that's so where and when was this proof of the existence of his god idea announced? I must have missed it.   

ippy

If I had chosen Star Trek would that have been Treckrilidge?


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ill you never grow out of your infantile addiction to silly talk of magic and the like.  It is so very hackneyed.  Do try harder!

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You haven't B A, so why should I?

ippy

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And please quote any post I have ever spoken in terms of unicorns and fairies and magic-makers, etc.

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You talk about god, jesus, coming back from the dead, walking on water as though they are real? what's the difference?

There's no more evidence for one than the other.

Mind you, Star Trek, well?

ippy
 

Ippy, your post is pathetic!  And "Jesus" is a proper noun, and requires a capital letter.
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Re: Offerings
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2015, 03:05:30 PM »
Hope makes claims for God that aren't made for unicorns.

Tbh I wouldn't have let my girls read books about Hope's god, they'd have got some very funny ideas about parenting. They liked the unicorn ones though.

I didn't intend any offence to Unicorns or Unicornists.

I don't know that much about Unicorns but amongst the other things he claims, he persistently requests for proof of the existence of his god idea as well, I'm only trying to point out to him the futile nature of these requests of his, I just happened to use Unicorns, I could just as well have  chosen Fairies.

I can't make out why he isn't receiving, it never sinks in, well it hasn't yet.

The last post of his that I was trying to reply to, is telling me I'm making assertions, if that's so where and when was this proof of the existence of his god idea announced? I must have missed it.   

ippy

If I had chosen Star Trek would that have been Treckrilidge?
 

Will you never grow out of your infantile addiction to silly talk of magic and the like.  It is so very hackneyed.  Do try harder!

You haven't B A, so why should I?

ippy

And please quote any post I have ever spoken in terms of unicorns and fairies and magic-makers, etc.

You talk about god, jesus, coming back from the dead, walking on water as though they are real? what's the difference?

There's no more evidence for one than the other.

Mind you, Star Trek, well?

ippy
 

Ippy, your post is pathetic!

So unlike Hope you've come up with some evidence that could support your outlandish religious beliefs then?

ippy

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Re: Offerings
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2015, 04:42:57 PM »
Do offerings matter, and is there any place for them for non-theists?
No. They are there to appease the gods. There are no gods. It stems from the primitive mind set of fear of them, or trying to keep in their good books; kind of like being accepted into the 'spiritual' clan. Children do this with their parents to reassure their acceptance in the family. Pack animals do a similar thing.

As a Pagan I disagree.

We have nothing to fear from our deities. They do not threaten us with any kind of punishment for anything we do,

The only "punishment" that most pagans recognise is karma and that is not inflicted by the deities.
I'm not sure how you pagans see or understand your gods?

Don't they or haven't they set how things will be in this universe thereby setting the tone in which you function? Therefore, they govern how things proceed and as such what you have to deal with in your life or existence in this world and the next, or whatever way you pagans perceive things.

How have they set how things will be in this universe?

I have read nothing to show that they have done so. The deities of my Pagan path are those who have an affinity to the various natural things in the world, animals, weather, day and night etc.

I do not, and do not know any Pagan who does, think or believe that the Pagan deities created this world or the universe. Who did? I haven't a clue, but what I do know is that I find the idea of the whole kit and caboodle being created in six days by one entity highly unlikely.

OK - my beliefs have been dismissed as simplistic, they may well be, but they are far more logical to me than those of Christianity.
Highlighted line : That just sounds like psychological projection. It says more about you than about the bigger cosmological picture, what deities could be or are,  and the meaning of life.

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Re: Offerings
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2015, 05:54:59 PM »
Do offerings matter, and is there any place for them for non-theists?
No. They are there to appease the gods. There are no gods. It stems from the primitive mind set of fear of them, or trying to keep in their good books; kind of like being accepted into the 'spiritual' clan. Children do this with their parents to reassure their acceptance in the family. Pack animals do a similar thing.

As a Pagan I disagree.

We have nothing to fear from our deities. They do not threaten us with any kind of punishment for anything we do,

The only "punishment" that most pagans recognise is karma and that is not inflicted by the deities.
I'm not sure how you pagans see or understand your gods?

Don't they or haven't they set how things will be in this universe thereby setting the tone in which you function? Therefore, they govern how things proceed and as such what you have to deal with in your life or existence in this world and the next, or whatever way you pagans perceive things.

How have they set how things will be in this universe?

I have read nothing to show that they have done so. The deities of my Pagan path are those who have an affinity to the various natural things in the world, animals, weather, day and night etc.

I do not, and do not know any Pagan who does, think or believe that the Pagan deities created this world or the universe. Who did? I haven't a clue, but what I do know is that I find the idea of the whole kit and caboodle being created in six days by one entity highly unlikely.

OK - my beliefs have been dismissed as simplistic, they may well be, but they are far more logical to me than those of Christianity.
Highlighted line : That just sounds like psychological projection. It says more about you than about the bigger cosmological picture, what deities could be or are,  and the meaning of life.

Don't tell me! I only follow what the Celts and Greeks and Romans saw as the basis for their deities.

I have no interest in the ins and outs, rights and wrongs, that anyone else sees in my beliefs because they are just that MY beliefs.

Disect them any way you like, put whatever labels you care to upon them, dismiss them, deny them, insult them, whatever!

You asked me question and I answered it - if you are going to turn it into some kind of deep philosophical discussion or whatever go ahead - for me it will change nothing. I make no claims for my beliefs that I expect anyone else to accept.

I am not eiither christiam or muslim - I do not work the way that they do.
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Re: Offerings
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2015, 05:59:09 PM »

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So unlike Hope you've come up with some evidence that could support your outlandish religious beliefs then?

The evidence is plentiful, it's just that you are so blinkered and closed-minded that you cannot appreciate   it.
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Re: Offerings
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2015, 12:08:54 PM »
Hope makes claims for God that aren't made for unicorns.

Tbh I wouldn't have let my girls read books about Hope's god, they'd have got some very funny ideas about parenting. They liked the unicorn ones though.

I didn't intend any offence to Unicorns or Unicornists.

I don't know that much about Unicorns but amongst the other things he claims, he persistently requests for proof of the existence of his god idea as well, I'm only trying to point out to him the futile nature of these requests of his, I just happened to use Unicorns, I could just as well have  chosen Fairies.

I can't make out why he isn't receiving, it never sinks in, well it hasn't yet.

The last post of his that I was trying to reply to, is telling me I'm making assertions, if that's so where and when was this proof of the existence of his god idea announced? I must have missed it.   

ippy

If I had chosen Star Trek would that have been Treckrilidge?
 

He's starting in on the Fairies now! FFS Ippy keep your small-minded bigotry to yourself. What did the Fairies ever do to you?! Nothing,  so why don't you just leave them alone?

sheesh
A lot of people don't believe that the loch ness monster exists. Now, I don't know anything about zooology, biology, geology, herpetology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, marine biology, cryptozoology, palaeontology or archaeology... but I think... what if a dinosaur got into the lake?

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Re: Offerings
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2015, 12:16:50 PM »
Hope makes claims for God that aren't made for unicorns.

Tbh I wouldn't have let my girls read books about Hope's god, they'd have got some very funny ideas about parenting. They liked the unicorn ones though.

I didn't intend any offence to Unicorns or Unicornists.

I don't know that much about Unicorns but amongst the other things he claims, he persistently requests for proof of the existence of his god idea as well, I'm only trying to point out to him the futile nature of these requests of his, I just happened to use Unicorns, I could just as well have  chosen Fairies.

I can't make out why he isn't receiving, it never sinks in, well it hasn't yet.

The last post of his that I was trying to reply to, is telling me I'm making assertions, if that's so where and when was this proof of the existence of his god idea announced? I must have missed it.   

ippy

If I had chosen Star Trek would that have been Treckrilidge?
 

He's starting in on the Fairies now! FFS Ippy keep your small-minded bigotry to yourself. What did the Fairies ever do to you?! Nothing,  so why don't you just leave them alone?

sheesh

In Floo's defence (unusual for me) it was not he who brought up fairies; it follows on for another interminable argument that stated that there was no more proof for the christian god than there was for fairies and all the arguments put up by Hope and Sassy and others as proofs of the existence of their god were equally applicable to fairies and unicorns. 
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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2015, 12:18:48 PM »
Which is fine except unicorns and fairies aren't supposed to have created the world.

Comparison with other gods would be more appropriate.

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« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2015, 12:20:48 PM »
Which is fine except unicorns and fairies aren't supposed to have created the world.

Comparison with other gods would be more appropriate.

"Supposed!"

There is no PROOF that they didn't!

The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2015, 12:23:11 PM »
Which is fine except unicorns and fairies aren't supposed to have created the world.

Comparison with other gods would be more appropriate.

"Supposed!"

There is no PROOF that they didn't!
You've been around Hope too long - that's his standard shtick.
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2015, 12:30:50 PM »
No, I've read the books and they clearly say that unicorns can do things with Rose quartz and heal with their shiny horns. Nothing about creating the world.

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2015, 12:34:56 PM »
I saw a documentary once where Tom Cruise had to save a unicorns life... I seem to remember unicorns having some sort of power over light and darkness, in a literal and supernatural sense. I can't quite remember what the conclusions were but Tim Curry was angry about it.
A lot of people don't believe that the loch ness monster exists. Now, I don't know anything about zooology, biology, geology, herpetology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, marine biology, cryptozoology, palaeontology or archaeology... but I think... what if a dinosaur got into the lake?

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2015, 12:50:08 PM »
That's heresy.

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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2015, 03:00:44 PM »
I saw a documentary once where Tom Cruise had to save a unicorns life... I seem to remember unicorns having some sort of power over light and darkness, in a literal and supernatural sense. I can't quite remember what the conclusions were but Tim Curry was angry about it.

The film was called "Legend" - Tim Curry as Darkness! 1980 something I think! can't be bothered to Google it, but it was before TC's attachment to Scientology!
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Re: Offerings
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2015, 05:14:11 PM »
Obviously matty isn't a real witch. Just google the wiccan creation story or the lady of infinite love.

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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2015, 05:20:45 PM »
Obviously matty isn't a real witch. Just google the wiccan creation story or the lady of infinite love.

You wouldn't know a real witch is she crashed her besom into you!
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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2015, 05:45:14 PM »


I could just do with a good besom:  the number of leaves round here is terrible!
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2015, 05:54:40 PM »
Sure I do dear matty.

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If you think that a real witch looks like that you are sillier than even I thought you were.
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!