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Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 02:10:13 PMHow is it that you never seem to criticise, or even comment on paganism, some of whose adherents practise very strange things, and have very strange beliefs? It would seem it is Christianity about which you have a hang-up. There are people who help those with such "afflictions."Various reasons.Paganism.is a massive subject - the one word doesn't cover every variety, shade and nuance of pagan belief and practice. I've read a fair number of books on different aspects of paganism and, far too rarely, have chatted to a few pagans in person but it's barely even a scratch on the scratch of the surface. I don't know about the "very strange things" to which you refer but whatever they may be, their practitioners seem to pursue their path and go their own way without making any song and dance about it. They don't seem to care what other people do and believe and expect the same from others. They don't seem to want their religion tied up with the state. They don't seem to want governmental representation as of right. They don't seem to want to dictate how other people live their lives, such as who can marry whom and who can watch this or that and what have you. They seem to get on with their own thing privately, without demanding attention or deference from anybody else. Not a theist (neither are scads of pagans, come to that), I'm sympathetic to the concept of a religion which takes as its basis the real and the true - nature - about which I said more in a post on the 'Seasons' thread.That's why, amongst other reasons.
How is it that you never seem to criticise, or even comment on paganism, some of whose adherents practise very strange things, and have very strange beliefs? It would seem it is Christianity about which you have a hang-up. There are people who help those with such "afflictions."
that to me is where practice tips over into something else - I hate to say 'play acting' but almost - it's like they are so slavishly following a supposed authentic path but haven't stopped to think about what it is they are actually doing.
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 02:10:13 PMHow is it that you never seem to criticise, or even comment on paganism, some of whose adherents practise very strange things, and have very strange beliefs? It would seem it is Christianity about which you have a hang-up. There are people who help those with such "afflictions."Various reasons.Paganism.is a massive subject - the one word doesn't cover every variety, shade and nuance of pagan belief and practice. I've read a fair number of books on different aspects of paganism and, far too rarely, have chatted to a few pagans in person but it's barely even a scratch on the scratch of the surface. I don't know about the "very strange things" to which you refer but whatever they may be, their practitioners seem to pursue their path and go their own way without making any song and dance about it. They don't seem to care what other people do and believe and expect the same from others. They don't seem to want their religion tied up with the state. They don't seem to want governmental representation as of right. They don't seem to want to dictate how other people live their lives, such as who can marry whom and who can watch this or that and what have you. They seem to get on with their own thing privately, without demanding attention or deference from anybody else. Doubtless pagans are as pleased as anyone else if somebody decides to adopt a pagan path but in my experience at least they don't proselytise - they don't obtrude themselves on you wanting to tell you about their beliefs; if you want to find out it's easy enough but you have to make the running; nobody comes knocking on your door when you're eating your lunch. Not a theist (neither are scads of pagans, come to that), I'm sympathetic to the concept of a religion which takes as its basis the real and the true - nature - about which I said more in a post or two on the 'Seasons' thread.That's why, amongst other reasons.
Quote from: Shaker on November 10, 2015, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 02:10:13 PMHow is it that you never seem to criticise, or even comment on paganism, some of whose adherents practise very strange things, and have very strange beliefs? It would seem it is Christianity about which you have a hang-up. There are people who help those with such "afflictions."Various reasons.Paganism.is a massive subject - the one word doesn't cover every variety, shade and nuance of pagan belief and practice. I've read a fair number of books on different aspects of paganism and, far too rarely, have chatted to a few pagans in person but it's barely even a scratch on the scratch of the surface. I don't know about the "very strange things" to which you refer but whatever they may be, their practitioners seem to pursue their path and go their own way without making any song and dance about it. They don't seem to care what other people do and believe and expect the same from others. They don't seem to want their religion tied up with the state. They don't seem to want governmental representation as of right. They don't seem to want to dictate how other people live their lives, such as who can marry whom and who can watch this or that and what have you. They seem to get on with their own thing privately, without demanding attention or deference from anybody else. Not a theist (neither are scads of pagans, come to that), I'm sympathetic to the concept of a religion which takes as its basis the real and the true - nature - about which I said more in a post on the 'Seasons' thread.That's why, amongst other reasons.You do write the most "see-through" twaddle. Anyone who believes that sanctimonious tosh is short of a marble or two.
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 02:34:40 PMQuote from: Shaker on November 10, 2015, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 02:10:13 PMHow is it that you never seem to criticise, or even comment on paganism, some of whose adherents practise very strange things, and have very strange beliefs? It would seem it is Christianity about which you have a hang-up. There are people who help those with such "afflictions."Various reasons.Paganism.is a massive subject - the one word doesn't cover every variety, shade and nuance of pagan belief and practice. I've read a fair number of books on different aspects of paganism and, far too rarely, have chatted to a few pagans in person but it's barely even a scratch on the scratch of the surface. I don't know about the "very strange things" to which you refer but whatever they may be, their practitioners seem to pursue their path and go their own way without making any song and dance about it. They don't seem to care what other people do and believe and expect the same from others. They don't seem to want their religion tied up with the state. They don't seem to want governmental representation as of right. They don't seem to want to dictate how other people live their lives, such as who can marry whom and who can watch this or that and what have you. They seem to get on with their own thing privately, without demanding attention or deference from anybody else. Not a theist (neither are scads of pagans, come to that), I'm sympathetic to the concept of a religion which takes as its basis the real and the true - nature - about which I said more in a post on the 'Seasons' thread.That's why, amongst other reasons.You do write the most "see-through" twaddle. Anyone who believes that sanctimonious tosh is short of a marble or two.If you only had the faintest clue how bone-crushingly wrong that is...
I wasn't referring to the 'rightness' of my path, BA.Btw autocorrect keeps trying to change your name to 'baa'.
And I was referring to the clarity and understanding in Shaker's writing. To refer to it as 'twaddle' is just plain wrong even if you don't agree with the content.
It was sycophantic and merely an attempt to ingratiate himself with the likes of you
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 03:28:22 PMIt was sycophantic and merely an attempt to ingratiate himself with the likes of youIn what the late Eric Morley used to call reserve [sic] order, I don't think I'm known for trying to ingratiate myself with anyone, and there was nothing sycophantic about it. It was my (poor) attempt to explain what I know of paganism (too little) and how I've come to know it, and something of what I think of it.
Quote from: Shaker on November 10, 2015, 03:40:12 PMQuote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 03:28:22 PMIt was sycophantic and merely an attempt to ingratiate himself with the likes of youIn what the late Eric Morley used to call reserve [sic] order, I don't think I'm known for trying to ingratiate myself with anyone, and there was nothing sycophantic about it. It was my (poor) attempt to explain what I know of paganism (too little) and how I've come to know it, and something of what I think of it.A bit of honesty that is appreciated. Honesty instead of religious bullshit by the ton!
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 10, 2015, 03:23:21 PMAnd I was referring to the clarity and understanding in Shaker's writing. To refer to it as 'twaddle' is just plain wrong even if you don't agree with the content.It was sycophantic and merely an attempt to ingratiate himself with the likes of you, and attempt to make himself look reasonable in his anti-theist stance. I'm surprised you didn't appreciate that. I know Shaker from many moons back, and he doesn't pull the wool over my eyes.
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 03:28:22 PMQuote from: Rhiannon on November 10, 2015, 03:23:21 PMAnd I was referring to the clarity and understanding in Shaker's writing. To refer to it as 'twaddle' is just plain wrong even if you don't agree with the content.It was sycophantic and merely an attempt to ingratiate himself with the likes of you, and attempt to make himself look reasonable in his anti-theist stance. I'm surprised you didn't appreciate that. I know Shaker from many moons back, and he doesn't pull the wool over my eyes.Did you really mean that last bit?<bites lip>
How come, then, if your beliefs are so obviously the right path, so few people are adherents? Some 50,000 out of a population of 65,000,000?
Shaker is by far the most vitriolic and abusive anti-Christian poster I have encountered, anywhere. If you find him in any way commendable, then I guess it says a lot about your judgement.
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on November 10, 2015, 03:46:03 PMShaker is by far the most vitriolic and abusive anti-Christian poster I have encountered, anywhere. If you find him in any way commendable, then I guess it says a lot about your judgement.Flattered as I am, many of us know of old how intemperately, even downright histrionically you react to the merest hint of criticism of, challenge to and critique of your beliefs, so your bar for vitriol and abuse is calibrated vastly lower than it is for the overwhelming majority.
That's honest to a bloody fault
