Corbyn and the military.

[Jack Knave]

Well, similar arguments are being used now as were used by Blair, that's what I find amazing.   We have used violence in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, with pretty awful results.   So this time it will be different?

It's Groundhog Day......."I've got you baby..."

[Jack Knave]

Right; and they must be happy to go on doing so.  They won't want to get on the wrong end of the US or EU.

And we need them to fight this war, so should we allow them to bomb the Kurds? - who are fighting ISIS.

[Spud]

Jack, I don't know much about Lebanon. Regarding the question of the Islamic State, ie caliphate, it would be interesting to compare its system of justice with places like Saudi Arabia, because from what I have read you can't get much worse than there. Maybe there would be a case for letting Isis exist, if the governments of Iraq and of Syria were not asking for help.

[BashfulAnthony]

And we need them to fight this war, so should we allow them to bomb the Kurds? - who are fighting ISIS.

No. Perhaps the new, burgeoning, "coalition" might address that at last.

[Jack Knave]

Jack, I don't know much about Lebanon. Regarding the question of the Islamic State, ie caliphate, it would be interesting to compare its system of justice with places like Saudi Arabia, because from what I have read you can't get much worse than there. Maybe there would be a case for letting Isis exist, if the governments of Iraq and of Syria were not asking for help.

From what I can tell the basic attitude of the Saudis and ISIS is pretty much the same and comes from a similar foundational perspective. The difference being is that the Saudis do it with a little more aplomb and justification (spin) with regards to its image to the outside world.

From what I know of Lebanon they have a fractious divide of the Sunni/Shia problem and would be susceptible to any high level of polarisation of this issue stemming from the troubles of Syria and the ME.

[Jack Knave]

No. Perhaps the new, burgeoning, "coalition" might address that at last.

But again, who side are the Turks on? After shooting down a Russian plane today this may upset the cooperation of the Russians with NATO allies, and we know the Turks don't like Assad and have not resisted ISIS's movements and trade in the recent past. This seems to put the situation on the ground to be more influential than the round the table agreements etc.

[Ricky Spanish]

So does all this mean we have to abandon our Chrimble shopping in case a bad Muslim shouts at us for ruining his christmas??

[Nearly Sane]

Overwhelmed by the number of Labour MPs who voted against Trident renewal, stunned and amazed, except about the counting bit, that was easy!

[jakswan]

Overwhelmed by the number of Labour MPs who voted against Trident renewal, stunned and amazed, except about the counting bit, that was easy!

Labours policy is clear on Trident, grab a coin, heads for, tails against. As a side note got a bit fruity yesterday on Daily Politics, never seen Alan Johnson go bright red before!

[Jack Knave]

Labours policy is clear on Trident, grab a coin, heads for, tails against. As a side note got a bit fruity yesterday on Daily Politics, never seen Alan Johnson go bright red before!

Yeah! Someone rattled his cage. He usually comes across a really cool and chilled out, mild mannered and considerate...