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DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« on: November 11, 2015, 10:05:24 PM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 06:57:52 AM »
I suppose it does ... for believers. As long as creationist sites regurgitate their rubbish, fools will be taken in.

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 07:25:00 AM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?

Creationism should be officially classified as a bona fide mental illness.
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 08:27:32 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 08:30:54 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

I suppose there wasn't space for them in the Ark.
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 08:38:49 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

I suppose there wasn't space for them in the Ark.

What, like the unicorns?
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 09:07:29 AM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?
I think you need to update your spell-checker, it corrected your attempt to type 'absolute bollocks' into 'compelling argument' instead of 'unrelenting, reality denying assertion'.

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 09:23:27 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

I suppose there wasn't space for them in the Ark.

Oh I didn't think of that! No doubt that is why they died out! ;D

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 09:27:18 AM »
The article starts with a straw man.

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Finding dinosaur DNA is as unthinkable to an evolutionist as finding a flat earth would be to a geographer.

Surprising or exciting would be a better word to describe the the discovery of dinosaur DNA. Nobody believes it is theoretically impossible.

Then we see dishonest thinking on the part of the author (that is not surprising).

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The moa research team measured the half-life of DNA to be 521 years under average local temperatures.5 After this time, only half of the amount of DNA present when the animal died should remain. And after another 521 years, only half of that remains, and so on until none is left. At this rate, DNA molecules in bone break down after only 10,000 years into tiny chemical segments too short for modern technology to sequence. And this result assumes preservation factors that optimize biochemical longevity.

DNA breakdown is a chemical reaction, not a radio-active one. Half life of a chemical process is always only approximate which means that in extreme circumstances it can be stretched almost indefinitely. Think about how quickly meat will go off if you leave it to in the open. It has a "half life" measured in hours. Now think about how long it will last if you put it in a freezer.

The other problem with this half life argument, of course , is that typically, the creationists fail to follow it through. If the Earth is only 6,000 years old and DNA has a "half life" of 521 years, that's only eleven or twelve half lives maximum. So how come most of the fossils we dig up have zero traces of DNA associated with them?

That's what is called an own goal.
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2015, 09:28:52 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

I suppose there wasn't space for them in the Ark.

Oh I didn't think of that! No doubt that is why they died out! ;D

Blatant pro-mammal discrimination, if you ask me. Definitely a hate-crime...

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 10:42:30 AM »
Funny dinosaurs didn't get a mention in the Bible if that were the case. I would have thought monsters like that would have a chapter all to themselves! ;D

I suppose there wasn't space for them in the Ark.

Oh I didn't think of that! No doubt that is why they died out! ;D

Blatant pro-mammal discrimination, if you ask me. Definitely a hate-crime...

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 10:53:24 AM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 11:40:16 AM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

Moderator:

Good point - the witches interludes is a derail so I think we'll lose these posts, in the expectation that the subject of witches won't reappear in this thread.

O.K. that has been done.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2015, 11:45:23 AM by Gordon »

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 12:30:54 PM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?

This is a witch's brew of nonsense (glances sideways at Gordon...)
A lot of people don't believe that the loch ness monster exists. Now, I don't know anything about zooology, biology, geology, herpetology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, marine biology, cryptozoology, palaeontology or archaeology... but I think... what if a dinosaur got into the lake?

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 12:23:55 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

This, from a poster who consistently denigrates the intelligence of others!
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2015, 02:06:42 PM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?
DNA lasting for millions of years is nowhere near as daft as a man coming back to life again to save us from some mythical sins that we are suppose to have.  ;D

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2015, 02:18:40 PM »
"DNA could not last half a million years, but paleontologists describe DNA in samples designated millions of years old. Ditching the millions-of-years dogma would resolve this dilemma. The clearly detected dinosaur proteins and what looks like dinosaur DNA make sense if the earth layers that contain them were deposited by Noah’s Flood only thousands of years ago."

http://ow.ly/UqBns

Makes for a compelling argument does it not?
DNA lasting for millions of years is nowhere near as daft as a man coming back to life again to save us from some mythical sins that we are suppose to have.  ;D

Agreed.

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2015, 03:20:32 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

I didn't - and there is no other witch on the forum so I don't know who you were addressing in this post!
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2015, 03:29:43 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

I didn't - and there is no other witch on the forum so I don't know who you were addressing in this post!

I think I made some inane comment, which was silly of me!

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2015, 03:43:06 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

I didn't - and there is no other witch on the forum so I don't know who you were addressing in this post!

I think I made some inane comment, which was silly of me!

I must have missed it. Negative perpiration!
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2015, 04:49:31 PM »
Unfossilized dinosaur bones:
http://creation.mobi/unpermineralized-hadrosaur-bones-alaska

Amazing that this articles accuses others of bias and preconceived notions when the website it is on, under the 'What we believe' section says - 'By definition, therefore, no interpretation of facts in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.'
« Last Edit: November 13, 2015, 05:37:06 PM by Maeght »

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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2015, 04:50:52 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

I didn't - and there is no other witch on the forum so I don't know who you were addressing in this post!

I think I made some inane comment, which was silly of me!

I must have missed it. Negative perpiration!

I'm sure jeremy will amend that little error!!
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2015, 09:08:48 PM »
I was going to ask how a topic allegedly about Dinosaur DNA has come to be about witches.

Then I saw BA has "contributed". I know it's impossible to stop him from making his pointless insulting posts, but is it too much to ask people not to rise to the bait?

I didn't - and there is no other witch on the forum so I don't know who you were addressing in this post!

I think I made some inane comment, which was silly of me!

I must have missed it. Negative perpiration!
Gordon removed all the witch posts.

Can we get on with the topic now?
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Re: DNA in Dinosaur Bones?
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2015, 08:02:51 AM »
Maeght, in the article to which Price is refering, the author misquotes another article saying that the bones are unpermineralized. Actually they have undergone chemical changes but not the usual kind.