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BashfulAnthony

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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2015, 11:58:09 AM »
Ok, aside from shaker, does anyone else worry about  polishing off the rats in their area?

I have a drey in the large tree at the bottom of my garden and squirrels abound in large numbers, in fact we are infested with them.

Fortunately none have broken into my loft, so I leave them alone ( except on the rare occasion tree surgeons have to trim back the tree).

I like the red squirrel best and feel the grey one is not much more than a pest.

I feel the same way about the grey squirrel as I do about American crayfish and mink, and Japanese knotweed and ragwort.

They are damaging to our native species and there are too many of them.


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As alternative idea on grey squirrels and their uses  ;)

http://m.wikihow.com/Cook-Squirrel

The American crawfish can also be dealt with the same way, but you have to be careful though ( and get permission from the landowner and a license) because in our local river ( very close to me ) someone accidentally killed an otter in the crayfish trap ( no it wasn't me 🌹).

They are extremely reluctant to issue a license where there are otters because some crayfish traps can cause Otters to drown.

I had the information from a very good official source.

You can get otter friendly traps, but who ever laid that one, didn't ask first.

I didn't even know we had otters, but apparently we have.


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Another "kill them, they're a nuisance," brigade.  I don't know if you've ever had any compassion for anything. but if you have, it doesn't show.   How can you dismiss creatures as  a pest, etc, when all they are trying to do is get by.  They're not human, you know, with some bizarre inclination to be as horrible and awkward as they can!
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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2015, 12:01:13 PM »
Ok, aside from shaker, does anyone else worry about  polishing off the rats in their area?

I have a drey in the large tree at the bottom of my garden and squirrels abound in large numbers, in fact we are infested with them.

Fortunately none have broken into my loft, so I leave them alone ( except on the rare occasion tree surgeons have to trim back the tree).

I like the red squirrel best and feel the grey one is not much more than a pest.

I feel the same way about the grey squirrel as I do about American crayfish and mink, and Japanese knotweed and ragwort.

They are damaging to our native species and there are too many of them.


🌰

As alternative idea on grey squirrels and their uses  ;)

http://m.wikihow.com/Cook-Squirrel

The American crawfish can also be dealt with the same way, but you have to be careful though ( and get permission from the landowner and a license) because in our local river ( very close to me ) someone accidentally killed an otter in the crayfish trap ( no it wasn't me 🌹).

They are extremely reluctant to issue a license where there are otters because some crayfish traps can cause Otters to drown.

I had the information from a very good official source.

You can get otter friendly traps, but who ever laid that one, didn't ask first.

I didn't even know we had otters, but apparently we have.


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Rats are very nasty vermin which can carry disease, I have no problem with them being exterminated. My neighbour take pot shots at the ones in his garden with an air rifle.

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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2015, 12:05:53 PM »
Ok, aside from shaker, does anyone else worry about  polishing off the rats in their area?

I have a drey in the large tree at the bottom of my garden and squirrels abound in large numbers, in fact we are infested with them.

Fortunately none have broken into my loft, so I leave them alone ( except on the rare occasion tree surgeons have to trim back the tree).

I like the red squirrel best and feel the grey one is not much more than a pest.

I feel the same way about the grey squirrel as I do about American crayfish and mink, and Japanese knotweed and ragwort.

They are damaging to our native species and there are too many of them.


🌰

As alternative idea on grey squirrels and their uses  ;)

http://m.wikihow.com/Cook-Squirrel

The American crawfish can also be dealt with the same way, but you have to be careful though ( and get permission from the landowner and a license) because in our local river ( very close to me ) someone accidentally killed an otter in the crayfish trap ( no it wasn't me 🌹).

They are extremely reluctant to issue a license where there are otters because some crayfish traps can cause Otters to drown.

I had the information from a very good official source.

You can get otter friendly traps, but who ever laid that one, didn't ask first.

I didn't even know we had otters, but apparently we have.


🌹

Rats are very nasty vermin which can carry disease, I have no problem with them being exterminated. My neighbour take pot shots at the ones in his garden with an air rifle.

I'm glad I don't live anywhere near you.  People with air rifles are a menace.  I wonder how many rats you see during a normal day?
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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2015, 12:12:48 PM »
They say that no one is more than ten feet from a rat. I have an absolute phobia of these creatures (not logical as I am quite happy to own a gerbil!), and spend quite a lot of time filling in the frequent rat holes in the garden pouring bleach down them as a deterrent. We see fewer of them these days, since I took that course of action, as we used see a rat at least once or twice a day, it is now about once a week. I also got rid of the compost bin in which I would put fruit and veg peelings, that seemed to encourage them too.

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« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2015, 01:08:04 PM »
They say that no one is more than ten feet from a rat. I have an absolute phobia of these creatures (not logical as I am quite happy to own a gerbil!), and spend quite a lot of time filling in the frequent rat holes in the garden pouring bleach down them as a deterrent. We see fewer of them these days, since I took that course of action, as we used see a rat at least once or twice a day, it is now about once a week. I also got rid of the compost bin in which I would put fruit and veg peelings, that seemed to encourage them too.

Living next to a watercourse, we have them all over the place - though some are water rats as opposed to the more unpleasant 'land' rats (for want of a better definition)
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« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2015, 01:30:20 PM »
Then they'll be water voles, Hope.

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« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2015, 02:03:23 PM »
They say that no one is more than ten feet from a rat. I have an absolute phobia of these creatures (not logical as I am quite happy to own a gerbil!), and spend quite a lot of time filling in the frequent rat holes in the garden pouring bleach down them as a deterrent. We see fewer of them these days, since I took that course of action, as we used see a rat at least once or twice a day, it is now about once a week. I also got rid of the compost bin in which I would put fruit and veg peelings, that seemed to encourage them too.

Living next to a watercourse, we have them all over the place - though some are water rats as opposed to the more unpleasant 'land' rats (for want of a better definition)

Funnily enough our previous property was in a very rural area, with a small river only yards away from the house, but in the 15 years we lived there I only once saw a rat.

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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2015, 03:51:23 PM »
So now we all are clear. Shaker will make one of his skin peeling, unholy, stinks because homes were being built next to him. He is happy to deny others what he has, a house. A bug has more importance than a fellow human being to the resident Marxist. But the kicker is he is happy to allow an invasive animal to move in, stealing the homes of the native species, and bringing about their extinction.
Shaker, you need to eat some meat. Or maybe start eating the flies that are constantly buzzing and crawling all of you as you lay on your sofa eating bon bons by the crate

Invasive species are a threat globally.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/22/invasive-species-threat

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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2015, 03:56:48 PM »
The information provided by Rhiannon's link in #50 at the very least casts doubt on the widely-held belief that grey squirrels displace red ones.
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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2015, 04:02:51 PM »
In the part of South Africa where I live we also have the American Grey Squirrel, introduced to this country by an arrogant, unpleasant English colonialist whose name is equivalent to a four letter word amongst the majority of the population.  These squirrels have adapted fairly well to the urban environment where they are a pest in many towns of the Western Cape.  In particular they are responsible for killing many young birds while still in their nests, a loss we can ill-afford.  But fortunately they have not succeeded in adapting to the natural environment so their impact is limited.

But we have another alien here which makes your grey squirrel problem look like a Sunday School picnic in comparison.  This is the Himalayan Tahr, a large mountain goat.  Indigenous to the mountainous areas of India, a few were brought into the country late in the 1800’s by the same said gentlemen and placed in the Cape Town Zoo situated at that time on the lower eastern slopes of Table Mountain.  In the 1930’s a pair escaped from the zoo and headed up the mountain.  They had no natural predators.  They were too large for the small members of the cat family and even for baboons, which will pull down small buck given the chance.  They are incredibly skilful climbers and spend much of their time on precipitous rock faces and ledges.  They rapidly multiplied.  They competed for the same territory as a small indigenous buck known as the klipspringer (literal translation ‘rock jumper’) and are extremely intolerant of co-existing with other species.   Soon the numbers of klipspringers started to decline alarmingly and they were in danger of being eliminated from the Table Mountain chain.

The Tahrs grazing habits are also completely unsuitable to the endemic fynbos vegetation in the Western Cape.  They tend to completely strip a plant causing it to become unviable.  As their numbers grew areas becoming denuded of vegetation increased with a loss of biodiversity and erosion during heavy winter rains.

All this presented the Environmental Agencies with a problem.  Should they do nothing and allow ‘nature’ to take its course with the inevitable elimination of the klipspringer and many of the fynbos species?  Or should they intervene and take active steps to remove these alien Tahrs from the area.

The dilemma was compounded by the fact that capturing and relocating the Tahrs was impossible due to their habitat of living on the rock faces of the mountain.  The only way to deal with them was to hunt and shoot them.

Would be interested to hear views on what your recommendations would be if you were charged with the responsibility of making the final decision.   

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Re: Squirrels
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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2015, 04:19:55 PM »
The information provided by Rhiannon's link in #50 at the very least cssts doubt on the widely-held belief that grey squirrels displace red ones.
There is evidence that they do just that, Shaker: after all, areas that used to have red squirrel populations don't any longer and their demise coincides with the arrival of the greys.  However, that is not the only reason why greys are considered to be vermin.  The others match those of rats being deemed vermin.
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« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2015, 04:21:09 PM »
Then they'll be water voles, Hope.
We were told by the environment folk that they weren't voles, but nor were they ordinary rats.
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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2015, 04:22:58 PM »
There is evidence that they do just that, Shaker
Then instead of asserting it, provide it.

(Not that you will, obviously).
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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2015, 04:44:40 PM »
The information provided by Rhiannon's link in #50 at the very least casts doubt on the widely-held belief that grey squirrels displace red ones.

We're told it's 'conclusive' that badgers spread TB, too.

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Re: Squirrels
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2015, 04:47:49 PM »


I seem to remember an item on the One Show, which suggested that the red squirrel population there is getting the upper hand over the greys.  Leave it to Nature!
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