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« Reply #200 on: November 20, 2015, 12:09:26 PM »
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« Reply #201 on: November 20, 2015, 12:10:22 PM »
Dear Floo,

A thought for the day, radio 2 Chris Evans has a thought for today, what about a thought for today on this forum, a thought for the week, how would that work, we do have forum best bits from our Samuel which I think is a success.

Just a thought ( aye another one )

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« Reply #202 on: November 20, 2015, 12:16:01 PM »
Dear Floo,

A thought for the day, radio 2 Chris Evans has a thought for today, what about a thought for today on this forum, a thought for the week, how would that work, we do have forum best bits from our Samuel which I think is a success.

Just a thought ( aye another one )

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It might work, why don't you start a thread on the topic and see how it does?

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« Reply #203 on: November 20, 2015, 12:24:04 PM »
Dear Floo,

Naw Missus, lets have a thought for today from your good self ;D ;D

One condition, you can't mention an evil Biblical deity ;) ;)

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« Reply #204 on: November 20, 2015, 12:31:56 PM »
Dear Floo,

Naw Missus, lets have a thought for today from your good self ;D ;D

One condition, you can't mention an evil Biblical deity ;) ;)

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« Reply #205 on: November 26, 2015, 10:58:39 PM »
Outrider,

You cannot twist things your way. There is NO Outrider way according to the bible. Go back re-think and repost.

Is it the same God? My understanding of Christian theology is that, yes, it's the same God, and therefore capable of those acts. It doesn't really matter if you think that's what's in store for us, that's what your perfectly good deity is capable of - that's not a good character.

Like Abraham was commended for being prepared to do? The things that happened didn't just happen to the adults, or to the guilty.

Why should that bother God? God's best option is to wipe them out? Genocide - we know that's not a good option, and we have limited capacity, how come God didn't understand that?

No, I don't. In the New Testament Jesus says that he's not overturning the current laws of the Jewish people, which are founded in the Old Testament - he says it's the same God. That's not a creditable character.

Bad things - I'm not sure there's 'worse' things than genocide, slavery and indentured sexual servitude.

Nobody in France did anything to deserve this.

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« Reply #206 on: November 26, 2015, 11:03:16 PM »
The point of Abraham and Isaac was to show that his faith knew God could raise his son back up from the dead, That he knew God would still fulfill his promise through Isaac and there was nothing God could not do.

It was a living relationship where Abraham knew God and trusted him. God knew Abraham and we see that between them the relationship was based on full trust.
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« Reply #207 on: November 27, 2015, 08:45:42 AM »
The point of Abraham and Isaac was to show that his faith knew God could raise his son back up from the dead, That he knew God would still fulfill his promise through Isaac and there was nothing God could not do.

It was a living relationship where Abraham knew God and trusted him. God knew Abraham and we see that between them the relationship was based on full trust.

IF the story of Abraham was true he was a very bad father to even contemplate sacrificing his son, and putting the wishes of the deity first! >:( Just as the deity would have been a bad father if it produced a child so it could die in such a terrible way!

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« Reply #208 on: November 27, 2015, 09:59:46 AM »
You cannot twist things your way. There is NO Outrider way according to the bible. Go back re-think and repost.

I'm not trying to 'twist' things, I'm responding to the fact that there isn't even just one variant of the Bible, let alone one definitive explanation for its contents, or one definitive interpretation of that content.

There are thousands of branches of Christianity alone, variants of Judaism and Islam too, and they're all predicated in part or in whole by versions of that book (and claimed 'sequels').

As someone who doesn't accept that there's any validity to the magical elements of the story I can see - hateful elements in all of the works, and kernels of a creditable philosophy in bits and pieces here and there. It's not the faith that I have a problem with, it's the absolute certainty with which some people claim they have 'THE' way of interpreting, the absolute conviction with which they declare someone else's equally untestable, equally tortured, equally arbitrary interpretation is 'wrong'.

That conviction can lead to the sort of violence we see linked to religious differences around the world. Even if I hadn't seen the work and hadn't referred to its contents in my entire life, I could point to Muslims who are killing Christians, who are killing other Muslims who are killing Jews who are killing Muslims (without actually checking if any of those PEOPLE they are killing are actually adherents at all), and to internecine warfare between Christian sects, between Islamic sects and say how can you claim that I'm the one 'twisting' the story?

I'm not trying to twist anything any way. I read the work, I see stories of magic and gods, and I put it on the shelf with the Odyssey. That's not 'twisting' it, that's rejecting it as nonsense. I just wish that everyone else would, too.

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« Reply #209 on: November 27, 2015, 11:54:19 AM »
When my husband was head of a state secondary school he managed to do without having religious assemblies. He gave the kids a thought for the day. I don't think there were any complaints, from parents or the LEA.

So he was a law-breaker?
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« Reply #210 on: November 27, 2015, 12:16:15 PM »
So he was a law-breaker?

Sounds like he found an acceptable interpretation of an partisan requirement to minimise the damage to me. His version of 'broadly Christian' probably differs from yours in much the same way your interpretation of 'Christmas' appears to differ from that of pretty much everyone else's.

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« Reply #211 on: November 27, 2015, 12:20:15 PM »
Sounds like he found an acceptable interpretation of an partisan requirement to minimise the damage to me. His version of 'broadly Christian' probably differs from yours in much the same way your interpretation of 'Christmas' appears to differ from that of pretty much everyone else's.

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The "interpretation of  Christmas' is one thing, and there is no law to govern it.  However, there is a law with regard to worship in schools:  clearly you are ignorant in the matter.
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« Reply #212 on: November 27, 2015, 12:33:37 PM »
The "interpretation of  Christmas' is one thing, and there is no law to govern it.  However, there is a law with regard to worship in schools:  clearly you are ignorant in the matter.

Not really - there is a requirement on schools to hold 'an act of collective worship of a broadly Christian nature'. Given that 'worship' isn't a very well defined term, legally, that 'Christian nature' is open to a broad interpretation, that Ofsted thinks that the requirement is nonsense and should be scrapped and that historically the courts have been loathe to step in and try to define what is or isn't a valid interpretation of any religious requirement, I'd say that:

a) it was an interpretation of the law that was acceptable
b) no-one really cares, so it's not 'legally' actually a problem
c) I'm well aware of the law; you're aware of the law, but not really that aware of the application of it

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« Reply #213 on: November 27, 2015, 12:49:41 PM »
Not really - there is a requirement on schools to hold 'an act of collective worship of a broadly Christian nature'. Given that 'worship' isn't a very well defined term, legally, that 'Christian nature' is open to a broad interpretation, that Ofsted thinks that the requirement is nonsense and should be scrapped and that historically the courts have been loathe to step in and try to define what is or isn't a valid interpretation of any religious requirement, I'd say that:

a) it was an interpretation of the law that was acceptable
b) no-one really cares, so it's not 'legally' actually a problem
c) I'm well aware of the law; you're aware of the law, but not really that aware of the application of it

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Pedantic and verbose as ever:  and off the mark, as ever.
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« Reply #214 on: November 27, 2015, 12:52:46 PM »
Pedantic and verbose as ever:  and off the mark, as ever.
He's as clear as ever.

You're as incapable of formulating a coherent response as ever.
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« Reply #215 on: November 27, 2015, 12:57:24 PM »
He's as clear as ever.

You're as incapable of formulating a coherent response as ever.

Oh, come on Shaky, say what you mean.  Actually, I find it difficult to believe it is really you posting, due to the lack of verbosity and expletives:  not to mention the lack of any kind of understanding of, or empathy with, anyone.
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« Reply #216 on: November 27, 2015, 12:58:31 PM »
Oh, come on Shaky, say what you mean.
Always do

Within the rules anyway ;)
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« Reply #217 on: November 27, 2015, 12:59:32 PM »
Always do

Within the rules anyway ;)

Not always.
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« Reply #218 on: November 27, 2015, 01:00:15 PM »
Well I haven't been told otherwise, so ..
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