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I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« on: November 16, 2015, 10:42:44 AM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub…They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me. 

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 10:44:16 AM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that is becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub…They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me.

To quote one of the great philosophers: "Oh, good grief.."

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2015, 11:12:31 AM »
I couldn't agree more with the title of your OP, Nicky ;)
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 11:36:49 AM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub…They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me.

Christ is saying he is not of creation, he is not saying he is from another planet.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 01:46:04 PM »
I couldn't agree more with the title of your OP, Nicky ;)

You got in first Shaker! ;D

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2015, 03:40:09 PM »
You got in first Shaker! ;D
Yer the rat.  :) :) ;D

What on Earth gets people so into this nonsense, it's so weird it's facinating.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 03:57:41 PM »
Yer the rat.  :) :) ;D

What on Earth gets people so into this nonsense, it's so weird it's facinating.

ippy

There are plenty of things going on around here that are nonsensical!
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 04:00:29 PM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.


After your telling us some time ago that you approved of the JW's 'New World Translation', it would now appear that you're moving off to join the fundamentalist Mormons, Nicky. "The Pearl of Great Price" tells us that God (and Jesus) dwell out in space near a star called Kolob.
Spell that backwards and make it plural.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2015, 04:09:14 PM »
I can't make up my mind which way NM swings religion wise.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 04:11:45 PM »
I can't make up my mind which way NM swings religion wise.

I don't think he swings, I think he oscillates at a high frequency with barely suppressed dynamic energy...

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2015, 04:13:29 PM »
I don't think he swings, I think he oscillates at a high frequency with barely suppressed dynamic energy...

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2015, 04:30:22 PM »
I don't think he swings, I think he oscillates at a high frequency with barely suppressed dynamic energy...

O.

Would that be at the standard UK 50 bicycles, they have dynamicos?

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2015, 05:47:21 PM »
Floo. Shaker, Outrider, Dickie Underpants, Ad_Orientem, ippy:

Sorry about the delay...had to go out.

It certainly puts a new aspect on the raving and all the unpleasantness that a loving God and his much loved son has to endure from those who can't be bothered to look at their written word in the Holy Bible,      with any sincerity, doesn't it.

Remember, Almighty God is the Owner of the whole universe who has promised to return and administer a powerful Judgment upon us all and if we also take on board the immense power of these universal travellers then it seems well with in their grasp, never mind an all powerful God's.

I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.


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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2015, 05:51:07 PM »
Why don't you try doing it then, you know, orthodoxy; not the Mormon, Scientologist, whatever crazy stuff you're writting here.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2015, 05:53:35 PM »
Floo. Shaker, Outrider, Dicky Underpants, ad_orientem, ippy:

Sorry about the delay...had to go out.

It certainly puts a new aspect on the raving and all the unpleasantness that a loving God and his much loved son has to endure from those who can't be bothered to look at their written word in the Holy Bible, with any sincerity, doesn't it???

Remember, Almighty God is the Owner of the whole universe who has promised to return and administer a powerful Judgment upon us all and if we also take on board the immense power of these universal travellers then it seems well with in their grasp, never mind an all powerful God's.

I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.


« Last Edit: November 16, 2015, 05:57:16 PM by NicholasMarks »

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2015, 05:53:55 PM »
Floo. Shaker, Outrider, Dickie Underpants, Ad_Orientem, ippy:

Sorry about the delay...had to go out.

It certainly puts a new aspect on the raving and all the unpleasantness that a loving God and his much loved son has to endure from those who can't be bothered to look at their written word in the Holy Bible,      with any sincerity, doesn't it.

Remember, Almighty God is the Owner of the whole universe who has promised to return and administer a powerful Judgment upon us all and if we also take on board the immense power of these universal travellers then it seems well with in their grasp, never mind an all powerful God's.

I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

As I have said before, you have no idea if what Jesus is quoted as saying was actually said by him, and if so it wasn't all good or sensible, imo.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2015, 06:17:40 PM »
 ;D Just for floo  :o        I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.So says Nick.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2015, 06:44:37 PM »
;D Just for floo  :o        I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.So says Nick.

     ;D~TW~ ;)

Blimey, if both of you are singing from the same hymn sheet I KNOW my view on the topic must be the correct one! ;D

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2015, 06:52:47 PM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub…They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me.
Well, you aren't of this world NM!!!

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2015, 10:51:13 PM »
Blimey, if both of you are singing from the same hymn sheet I KNOW my view on the topic must be the correct one! ;D

An interesting answer but wrong again,Nick is correct you need Jesus but not the one he has.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2015, 11:12:55 PM »
I don't see there is much difference between believing God is outside time altogether and believing Jesus ( if you believe he was God) wasn't from this planet.

One is just claiming his origins are just a bit further away.

Perhaps I missed something!

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2015, 11:20:03 PM »
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now.

It seems everyone has seen UFOs and are now taking them very seriously. A glance through YouTube will bring this home in no uncertain terms. Official bodies are exploring them and organising welcoming committees to sit down and exchange ideas with them. Even, as one internet source states, the pope will introduce Christianity to them. But here is the rub…They are obviously far more advanced than us, and, it seems, some are not as nice as others, so we need to be very careful.

It is foolish to think they would even deem to sit down with us and go through all the claptrap that we spin out to any we want to take advantage of. But, perhaps, they, or at least the highest authority that they represent, have already spoken to us in a timeless language. In a language that will echo through all eternity. In a language that reverberates around the thinking of many people, many nations, many languages and many kings. Perhaps the ‘little scroll’ of Revelation 10:11 is a reiteration of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection, in a more modern and accurate context.

It makes sense to me.

It doesn't make sense to me I'm afraid 🌹

UFO's just means unidentified flying objects.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2015, 11:24:52 PM »
Floo. Shaker, Outrider, Dicky Underpants, ad_orientem, ippy:

Sorry about the delay...had to go out.

No problem - every now and then I find that I've contracted a life and have to pop off to do other things :)

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Remember, Almighty God is the Owner of the whole universe who has promised to return and administer a powerful Judgment upon us all and if we also take on board the immense power of these universal travellers then it seems well with in their grasp, never mind an all powerful God's.

I remember you asserting something along these lines. I remember it being challenged as an assertion. I must have missed the bit where you supplied any sort of rationalisations for why I might want to accept this notion as valid.

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I've said it before and I will say it again...best to follow the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

You keep saying. You keep failing to explain any basis for accepting these claims rather then equally unvalidated claims of, say, Islam or Scientology or Hinduism.

Tolkien created a fairly robust and internally consistent cosmology, but I have no reason to think that I can sail away to join Bilbo and Elrond in the Grey Havens, why should I accept your perfectly well-constructed theology as any more real?

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2015, 07:30:22 AM »
Tolkien created a fairly robust and internally consistent cosmology, but I have no reason to think that I can sail away to join Bilbo and Elrond in the Grey Havens, why should I accept your perfectly well-constructed theology as any more real?

Ahem! They did not sail to the Grey Havens, they sailed from the Grey Havens!

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2015, 09:46:00 AM »
Ahem! They did not sail to the Grey Havens, they sailed from the Grey Havens!

(Yes, I know, I'm a LOTR geek)

+1 pedant points for A_O :)

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