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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2015, 10:26:51 AM »
Quote from: ~TW~ on November 16, 2015, 10:51:13 PM
An interesting answer but wrong again,Nick is correct you need Jesus but not the one he has.
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And your creation of Jesus is the right one is it? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2015, 10:28:05 AM »
Isn't it always?
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2015, 11:23:03 AM »
Quote from: NicholasMarks on November 16, 2015, 10:42:44 AM
I Am Not of This World  (John 18:36)

Jesus is telling us here that he was from another world…Heaven…and ‘world’ always means a planet and so we can deduce that 2000 years ago Jesus was part of a knowledge base that knew how to travel through space…a knowledge that we are becoming only too aware of now. ...
This reminds me Erich von Däniken's material.  There is nothing within the Bible that indicates his ideas have any validity - especially not John 18: 36
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2015, 11:26:48 AM »
Quote from: Rose on November 16, 2015, 11:12:55 PM
I don't see there is much difference between believing God is outside time altogether and believing Jesus ( if you believe he was God) wasn't from this planet.
One requires him to have been part of creation, the other doesn't, Rose.  That's quite a significant difference.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2015, 11:33:33 AM »
Quote from: Hope on November 17, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
This reminds me Erich von Däniken's material.  There is nothing within the Bible that indicates his ideas have any validity - especially not John 18: 36

How would you interpret that verse then Hope??? and remember, you must have a kingdom full of servants who would have prevented such an act of terror.  No...it means to me that other than the resources that Jesus had brought with him he was isolated from his own planet, the same planet, incidently, that is the headquarters of Almighty God who built us in his image.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2015, 11:39:22 AM »
Not of ths world, that is, not of creation. A heavenly kingdom.

"My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence."

Our Lord refers to this heavenly kingdom throughout the Gospels, so does St. John the Baptist and so does the Apostle.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2015, 12:54:38 PM »
Quote from: NicholasMarks on November 17, 2015, 11:33:33 AM
How would you interpret that verse then Hope??? and remember, you must have a kingdom full of servants who would have prevented such an act of terror.  No...it means to me that other than the resources that Jesus had brought with him he was isolated from his own planet, the same planet, incidently, that is the headquarters of Almighty God who built us in his image.
NM, it is all very well interpreting a single verse in isolation, but when one reads all that Jesus says about heaven - let alone the rest of the Bible, it is clear that the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven isn't locational or a physical place per se; instead it exists in the hearts and minds of God's followers, as a spiritual place - and exists here and now as well as in the past and in the future. 
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2015, 01:43:25 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 17, 2015, 12:54:38 PM
NM, it is all very well interpreting a single verse in isolation, but when one reads all that Jesus says about heaven - let alone the rest of the Bible, it is clear that the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven isn't locational or a physical place per se; instead it exists in the hearts and minds of God's followers, as a spiritual place - and exists here and now as well as in the past and in the future.

Couldn't agree more Hope...but it also includes Heaven as a planet...Almighty God's headquarters, from where Almighty God with Jesus Christ as a faithful servant, broke the hidden code of nature, restored righteousness to Heaven and kicked out all those who disapproved of righteousness. Then we have a pro-active Holy Bible with some vital messages about the current state of our world. It is in a mess and teetering towards the brink of total chaos...just as Jesus said it would...so don't be too surprised at the extraterrestrial interest being shown...They want to see how it all pans out.

 
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2015, 02:06:39 PM »
Cuckoo!
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2015, 02:09:13 PM »
Heaven as a planet is cuckoo, but believing in the story of Adam and Eve isn't?
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2015, 02:20:06 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 17, 2015, 02:09:13 PM
Heaven as a planet is cuckoo, but believing in the story of Adam and Eve isn't?

Spot on!
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2015, 02:21:03 PM »
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2015, 02:38:56 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 17, 2015, 02:28:05 PM
Because...?


scriptures...true reading...discernment...tradition...church founders...Holy Spirit...
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2015, 02:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 17, 2015, 02:38:56 PM

scriptures...true reading...discernment...tradition...church founders...Holy Spirit...

Now you're getting there, my son! The testimony of the Church.
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2015, 02:42:15 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 17, 2015, 02:28:05 PM
Because...?

'Because'...the Creator of the universe made sure that everything gelled scientifically and as a consequence life must gel with the planet, the planet must gel with the sun, the sun must gel with the galaxy and the galaxy must gel with a superabundant dynamic energy and, the way, the truth and life must gel through the knowledge Jesus Christ guided us into, and, there, is Almighty God, who told us that in the very beginning it all gelled with him.

This is what he means when he states...In the beginning was the 'word.'



 
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2015, 02:43:13 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on November 17, 2015, 02:40:33 PM
Now you're getting there, my son! The testimony of the Church.

And that destroys your capacity to think? Really?
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2015, 02:46:21 PM »
Dear Nicholas,

Heaven as a planet, bit tame for you old son, not saying you are wrong, just that it seems so old school, sure I have heard this argument before somewhere, but doesn't get my grey cells turning like you usually do.

Nevermind, still great to have you back ;)

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2015, 02:48:02 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 17, 2015, 02:43:13 PM
And that destroys your capacity to think? Really?

It's because I think that I accept the testimony of the Church:
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2015, 03:03:25 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on November 17, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
It's because I think that I accept the testimony of the Church:

For yourself?
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2015, 03:09:52 PM »
How impressive, a really deep discussion between Hope and NM, wow, any chance of it getting on to YouTube?

I can hardly wait.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2015, 03:17:20 PM »
Quote from: ippy on November 17, 2015, 03:09:52 PM
How impressive, a really deep discussion between Hope and NM, wow, any chance of it getting on to YouTube?

I can hardly wait.

ippy
ippy, if you regard two exchanges as a 'really deep discussion', you clearly don't know much about discusssion.  Mind you, your posting history indicaes that is a problem you've had for quite some time!!
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2015, 03:43:06 PM »
Quote from: Hope on November 17, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
ippy, if you regard two exchanges as a 'really deep discussion', you clearly don't know much about discusssion.  Mind you, your posting history indicaes that is a problem you've had for quite some time!!

It doesn't get any better Hope.

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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2015, 03:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on November 17, 2015, 10:28:05 AM
Isn't it always?

It might be.  How would you know?
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Re: I Am Not of This World (John 18:36)
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2015, 03:54:16 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on November 17, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
For yourself?

Aye! If you accept the testimony of the Church, as with anything, you have to come to your own conclusion as to why first.
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