The Weather

[Jack Knave]

What hellhole?

The expense of worthless wind farms etc. and billions wasted in doing so. Bio-fuel which destroy rain forests and take up valuable land for crops and all the other efforts we are doing to try to keep the planet 'cool'.

[Jack Knave]

The science seems to support that we are contributing but many of the actions that are proposed are made necessary by the questions of scarcity of fossil fuels and security.

Dramatic climate change has occurred over a short period of time in the past whilst we were hunter-gatherers, so the odds are we are only contributing to it in a small way. I don't mind development for solar power but the utilisation of wind farms just for the sake of it in areas were they are not efficient is just stupid and wasteful. We have also closed down viable and productive gas powered plants, risking power cuts, in the name of something we have no real idea what is causing it, for useless wind farms.

[Jack Knave]

I didn't offer today's weather as 'proof' of anything.

You seemed to be disconcerted about it being too warm.

[Rhiannon]

You seemed to be disconcerted about it being too warm.

I am. Being disconcerted by something isn't especially scientific though.

[Jack Knave]

I am. Being disconcerted by something isn't especially scientific though.

That hasn't stopped the vested interests before.

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-temperatures-beat-saudi-10561146

It is really mild here in North Wales, it is warm in our lounge with the sun streaming through the window. We haven't got the heating on, which is very unusual for a day in December. However, one can't help feeling however pleasant it is, it isn't normal and rather worrying!

That's because you are still missing the difference between weather and climate. Individual weathet events are not indicative of climate.

[Bubbles]

Some dreadful floods in Cumbria and about   

Some people won't be enjoying Christmas in their homes 

[Nearly Sane]

I think global warming is responsible for our weird weather and we ignore it at our peril.

My post isn't about whether there is climate change. It's pointing out that individual weather events tell you nothing about climate, or climate change. 
Al climate change supporting scientists would follow that difference, see link below. You are making the same mistake as people who argue that cigarettes are not dangerous because they had a grandparent that lived to 99 and smoked 40 a day.







 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

[Gonnagle]

Dear Weather buffs

I was taken by a remark made by a scientist on the Jeremy Vine show regarding the floods, something about infiltration, to many paved over gardens, loss of allotments, less area for the rain to be absorbed.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Whatever!

Having an excessively mild winter, so far, as we did last year, with some nasty storms thrown in is rather more than individual weather event!

It is better to take climate change due to global warming, seriously now, rather than regret we didn't further down the line when it is too late to do anything about it.

And in order to demonstrate climate change, don't you think that it would be better to examine that in the same way as climate change scientists rather than making statements they would dismiss as irrelevant?

[Rhiannon]

Personally I find the mild winter disconcerting because it means things will be thrown out of kilter. There will be winners and losers, no doubt, but I still find it troubling. Living in a farming area as I do it could mean more pests and diseases on crops, so more spraying. A late cold snap will affect the fruit harvest if trees have begun to bud too soon. Delicate creatures such as amphibians are very vulnerable...like I said, disconcerting.

[ippy]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-temperatures-beat-saudi-10561146

It is really mild here in North Wales, it is warm in our lounge with the sun streaming through the window. We haven't got the heating on, which is very unusual for a day in December. However, one can't help feeling however pleasant it is, it isn't normal and rather worrying!

Floo I've got a rose bush in full flower in my back garden, it's a first for December.

I noticed my rose Hope, when I was putting out my sun lounger earlier on today.

ippy

[ippy]

Our roses are in full flower too.

No sun lounger?

ippy

[Red Giant]

Winter temperatures are a mystery.  One night last week, it got progressively warmer through the night.  I haven't figured out how it can get warmer when the sun is down.

[Jack Knave]

Winter temperatures are a mystery.  One night last week, it got progressively warmer through the night.  I haven't figured out how it can get warmer when the sun is down.

Warm air moving from the south and the development of cloud cover may be some reasons.

[Shaker]

Anybody heading out and about today and overnight should take a bit of extra care, as the UK is being bashed by Storm Frank (obviously named by a Brit, this one - Americans get Hurricane Wilbur or the like, we get Storm Frank    ) which means very strong winds and a great deal of rain in some places. Let's be careful out there, folks.

[Bubbles]

Anyone notice how many colds are about? I've had about three different lots of colds  in almost as many weeks fast as I get over one I get another bloomin one! 

I blame that on the mild weather.

I think we need a good cold spell to kill off some of the germs.

I always seem to pick them up in spring and autumn. ( although we seem to be stuck with the mild weather)

Also I am rather startled to have seen daffodils in December 

Flowering daffodils too 

And this morning I saw patches of primroses 

Our seasons seem all mucked up, normally I like seeing these flowers, but at the right time of year...... Which isn't yet! 

[~TW~]

Interest rates soon to go up,trust me= people losing homes,go out shopping and you  might be shot or blown up,food banks bring them on and the weather well the best advice is cross your fingers  ,but crossing your fingers does not seem to be working  .Sometime ago you can read it on here somewhere I said Gods judgment is on it's way to a Godless nation.

 Wishing you a happy new year wont help,try crossing your fingers and your toes and anything else you think might help.

 Remember there is worse to come. Have fun  remember to fall into the hands of God is not good.

 ~TW~

[SqueakyVoice]

Well just recently the Prime Minister has said the UK is a Christian nation, the Queen (& head of the CofE) mentioned Jesus while addressing the nation and the Secretary of State for Education has been trying to think of more ways to inflict Christianity on unsuspecting school children.

And TW'S god has decided to flood most of Northern England. For not being Christian enough. Apparently.

[Rhiannon]

They didn't vote Tory.

[Jack Knave]

What a pathetic little creep you are!

It's his eschatology that makes him that way.

[Hope]

And TW'S god has decided to flood most of Northern England. For not being Christian enough. Apparently.

I think the floods have more to do with 1) the dynamic nature of the earth's natural state and 2) human intervention in climate change.

[Jack Knave]

I think the floods have more to do with 1) the dynamic nature of the earth's natural state and 2) human intervention in climate change.

3) Too many people building on land that would otherwise absorb much more water and if there were less people then less would be affected.

[Shaker]

1) has something to do with it; 2) and 3) are essentially the same thing. So you're both right.

[Shaker]

So many flood plains have been foolishly built on over the years and that has caused so many problems!

True, and that's easily solved but too many people just don't like the solution, that's all.