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« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2015, 02:03:49 PM »
You just can't see that this has been a secular humanist society for decades so what you and others propose is a secular humanist society where only they are allowed expression.

If you think we haven't notice your reasonable side ''level playing field'' and your knuckle dragging side. ''You are on your way out''. Then I suspect you don't give a shit what people think of your views.

On the other hand if this is yours and other people's reaction to God then there must be something in this God business ;)

In that previous reply to your post Vlad, I was trying to let you know the way the average secular humanist would see this ban, my personal views of all religions doesn't make me want to establish a Taliban like Secular Humanist police state, why do you think that I do?

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« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2015, 02:04:08 PM »
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Let's just see if NSS and BHS get the cameras rolling eh?

Lights, camera, action :o :o I am reminded of Spike Milligan, what are we going to do now, what are we going to do now  :) :)

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« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2015, 02:07:26 PM »
You just can't see that this has been a secular humanist society for decades so what you and others propose is a secular humanist society where only they are allowed expression.

No-one is banning you, stop trying to self-victimise your situation. In our modern, secular humanist society (with reserved seats in the government for representatives of the state's official religion) there is a well-protected place for your faith - in your churches.

In publicly owned places, if they don't want the trouble that religion brings, they're not obliged to invite religion in - that's the nature of freedom of speech. You can say whatever the hell you like, but you can't force people to listen.

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If you think we haven't notice your reasonable side ''level playing field'' and your knuckle dragging side. ''You are on your way out''. Then I suspect you don't give a shit what people think of your views.

To an extent, no, given that I don't think there's enough of them to shift the balance of public opinion enough to change the situation.

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On the other hand if this is yours and other people's reaction to God then there must be something in this God business ;)

No, our problem is that there's something in this religion business.

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« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2015, 02:07:37 PM »
The issue is, though, that the ASA would have nothing to argue against the claim with. If someone believes that they have been healed as a result of prayer, how can anyone prove that they haven't been?

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« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2015, 02:11:43 PM »
It's a bit weird.

If it was a film depicting a religious figure like Jesus, I'd at least understand it ( but not agree with it).

Perhaps they don't think unbelievers go to see religious type films, and the audiences are made up of believers.

Perhaps they should have tried for a spot when " life of Brian " was showing  ;)

It's 'outreach' - selling the church to those outside it. The Star Wars audience is going to be massive and in the cinema there's no skip button. Quite frankly I think it is unpleasant opportunism.

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« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2015, 02:13:30 PM »
In that previous reply to your post Vlad, I was trying to let you know the way the average secular humanist would see this ban, my personal views of all religions doesn't make me want to establish a Taliban like Secular Humanist police state, why do you think that I do?

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Ippy....I admit I may overreact to your posts particularly when you come up with stuff like ''you're on your way out''. But look at it this way. These cinema people must think a good deal of people are going to be offended by this advert. We know it is unlikely to be other religionists who generally like the presence of the C of E and who probably have there own cinema culture anyway.

So that generally leaves the secular humanists offended by this. The question is what and why would they be upset about?
That advertisers obviously do market research means this cannot simply be a misreading of the audience.

So Ippy....what is going down in good old secular Humanist Britain that it is offended by people saying the Lords prayer?

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« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2015, 02:13:44 PM »
Dear Vlad,

Lights, camera, action :o :o I am reminded of Spike Milligan, what are we going to do now, what are we going to do now  :) :)

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Oh yes I forgot Gonners you're another one that's clueless about secular humanism, unless, of course, you've done a course on the subject, that is, since your last brush with us?

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« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2015, 02:16:23 PM »
Dear Vlad,

Lights, camera, action :o :o I am reminded of Spike Milligan, what are we going to do now, what are we going to do now  :) :)

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« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2015, 02:18:58 PM »
Ippy....I admit I may overreact to your posts particularly when you come up with stuff like ''you're on your way out''. But look at it this way. These cinema people must think a good deal of people are going to be offended by this advert.

No, they just need to think that one or two agitators would secure negative press coverage - newsworthiness is not proportional to actual relevance or importance.

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We know it is unlikely to be other religionists who generally like the presence of the C of E and who probably have there own cinema culture anyway.

I think it's safe to say that Star Wars will cover pretty much all the religious demographics except the few that wouldn't attend the cinema for anything.

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So that generally leaves the secular humanists offended by this. The question is what and why would they be upset about?

The few that would be upset - perhaps they've had bad experiences with the church, perhaps they object to the institutional misogyny and homophobia, perhaps they object to the pandering to the expressly homophobic elements of the world-wide Anglican community. Perhaps the reality is that no-one would be upset, and this is part of an egalitarian prohibition to prevent fundamentalists advertising.

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That advertisers obviously do market research means this cannot simply be a misreading of the audience.

Indeed, but it could be aimed at precluding certain advertisers - say Islamic fundamentalists - but which for legal reasons needs not to single out a single faith.

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So Ippy....what is going down in good old secular Humanist Britain that it is offended by people saying the Lords prayer?

If only it were actually that simple. Religion is an emotive topic, it doesn't need a rational objection to get negative column inches.

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« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2015, 02:20:09 PM »
I'm not sure about this assumption that it is people saying the Lords Prayer that people are offended by. It doesn't offend me.

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« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2015, 02:20:32 PM »
Can you imagine Dawkins in 3D and Panavision?

What would be the point? Militant atheism is just having a case and stating it - if you're going to shell out for 3D and expensive visuals go for the religious militants... far more bang for your buck.

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« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2015, 02:22:11 PM »
Dear ippy,

secular humanism, I use this forum above all to be educated, so educate me, go on I know you want to. :P

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« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2015, 02:23:48 PM »
No, they just need to think that one or two agitators would secure negative press coverage - newsworthiness is not proportional to actual relevance or importance.

I think it's safe to say that Star Wars will cover pretty much all the religious demographics except the few that wouldn't attend the cinema for anything.

The few that would be upset - perhaps they've had bad experiences with the church, perhaps they object to the institutional misogyny and homophobia, perhaps they object to the pandering to the expressly homophobic elements of the world-wide Anglican community. Perhaps the reality is that no-one would be upset, and this is part of an egalitarian prohibition to prevent fundamentalists advertising.

Indeed, but it could be aimed at precluding certain advertisers - say Islamic fundamentalists - but which for legal reasons needs not to single out a single faith.

If only it were actually that simple. Religion is an emotive topic, it doesn't need a rational objection to get negative column inches.

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I think you'll find mysogeny and homophobia can survive quite well
in secular society along with stuff like modern slavery etc, etc.

You are monomaniacle about religion.

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« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2015, 02:24:46 PM »
Dear ippy,

secular humanism, I use this forum above all to be educated, so educate me, go on I know you want to. :P

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Not to duck the question, Gonners, but this is a decent summary, though lacks a section on 'criticisms': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

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« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2015, 02:28:16 PM »
Ippy....I admit I may overreact to your posts particularly when you come up with stuff like ''you're on your way out''. But look at it this way. These cinema people must think a good deal of people are going to be offended by this advert. We know it is unlikely to be other religionists who generally like the presence of the C of E and who probably have there own cinema culture anyway.

So that generally leaves the secular humanists offended by this. The question is what and why would they be upset about?
That advertisers obviously do market research means this cannot simply be a misreading of the audience.

So Ippy....what is going down in good old secular Humanist Britain that it is offended by people saying the Lords prayer?

Vlad the lords prayer has never offended me nor does this rendition, what is and can be offensive about it is only when it's applied as described by some as, "it's only the lords prayer, I don't know what you're on about", as though what's the harm it's only the lords prayer, go on let it go, the point is, it's now the time and not before time, for the level playing field, it shouldn't have any precedence over any other subject such a politics or be left behind; Secularism.   

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« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2015, 02:35:09 PM »
Dear ippy,

secular humanism, I use this forum above all to be educated, so educate me, go on I know you want to. :P

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No point Gonners, you're not thick so the only other reason you ask is, no matter what, you're determined to not understand, go wind up elsewhere.

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« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2015, 02:36:13 PM »
True, at least with the TV you can turn the channel over or record what you want to see.

In the cinema you are just stuck with it.

Sorry...........had to put my tea down.............just got a picture of a load of Secular Humanist cinema goers slurping their Kia Ora's loudly during the Lord's Prayer.

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« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2015, 02:46:28 PM »
At this point I think we can all conclude that Christianity hasn't been and isn't being banned anywhere, cinemas included ;)
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« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2015, 03:05:57 PM »


If hearing a minute of the Lord's Prayer is so terrible that it might give offence to some other religious people, or non-religious ones, then why wasn't the London bus fiasco seen in the same light;  and many more people would have seen that?  Pure censorship.  A dangerous precedent to set.
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« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2015, 03:13:27 PM »
The only people invoking the concept of offence here have been those in the media group who have a policy of not accepting any political and religious adverts, which is their prerogative. That's their stated reason: personally I suspect it has more to do with the fact that the majority non-religious, apatheist population simply aren't interested in religious propaganda wherever it comes from and don't want to see it on a night out at the pictures. There's nothing "terrible" about it; it's that to the majority it's an irrelevance, not to mention unfairly privileging one religion over all others in a nation at a time when adherence to that religion is a minority pursuit to say the least.

What was a fiasco about the London bus campaign?
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« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2015, 03:13:43 PM »
At this point I think we can all conclude that Christianity hasn't been and isn't being banned anywhere, cinemas included ;)
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« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2015, 03:17:54 PM »
The only people invoking the concept of offence here have been those in the media group who have a policy of not accepting any political and religious adverts, which is their prerogative. That's their stated reason: personally I suspect it has more to do with the fact that the majority non-religious, apatheist population simply aren't interested in religious propaganda wherever it comes from and don't want to see it on a night out at the pictures. There's nothing "terrible" about it; it's that to the majority it's an irrelevance.

What was a fiasco about the London bus campaign?

It was no more than a silly, childish, waste of time and money  -  wonder who paid...     :D
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« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2015, 03:18:10 PM »

If hearing a minute of the Lord's Prayer is so terrible that it might give offence to some other religious people, or non-religious ones, then why wasn't the London bus fiasco seen in the same light;  and many more people would have seen that?  Pure censorship.  A dangerous precedent to set.
By all accounts, BA, DCM had already made a commercial decision that they would not take any political and religious advertising.  There is absolutely no suggestion that this is a case of censorship.

Whether their commercial decision was a good decision is a matter for a different debate.
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« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2015, 03:20:39 PM »
By all accounts, BA, DCM had already made a commercial decision that they would not take any political and religious advertising.  There is absolutely no suggestion that this is a case of censorship.

Whether their commercial decision was a good decision is a matter for a different debate.

Well, you might well contend that not to take any political or religious advertising is, in fact, censorship.
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« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2015, 03:20:55 PM »
It was no more than a silly, childish, waste of time and money

Ah - so it's only your opinion, then. 
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