Christianity banned from cinemas

[BashfulAnthony]

No, it's the day my family chooses to celebrate. And that is none of your business.

Pathetic excuse. Leave Christmas alone :  you are not a Christian;  stop sullying it with your anti-Christian presence.

[Shaker]

Fine.  So why do you celebrate on December 25th?  What are you celebrating?  Mid-winter, I might remind you, is December 21st. or 22nd.

Without accurate timekeeping calendars - which are usually of very ancient origin - can't cope with the fact that a year isn't an exact quantity, and thus left alone calendars drift and have to be rejigged to bring them back into line. Think of a leap year. Added to which in 1752 Britain adopted a new calendar, "losing" eleven days in the process.

[Rhiannon]

Pathetic excuse. Leave Christmas alone :  you are not a Christian;  stop sullying it with your anti-Christian presence.

Is your special day really so weak that a pagan having a party makes it dirty?

[BashfulAnthony]

2Corrie,

Could you just explain to BA that Christians had in fact only borrowed it please.

Ta.

We have not borrowed anything. Do you ever read the posts first?  I have said, it is not the date that is important, it is the event, and since Jesus was certainly not born on December 25th, then we could just as easily celebrate on February 3rd, or any date.  Clear?  So, why do you celebrate December 25th?

[BashfulAnthony]

Is your special day really so weak that a pagan having a party makes it dirty?

It does make you hypocritical.  So, back to square 1.

[Rhiannon]

It does make you hypocritical.  So, back to square 1.

You said I 'sullied' it. That's different from being hypocritical.

[BashfulAnthony]

You said I 'sullied' it. That's different from being hypocritical.

Okay.  By impinging on a Christian festival, with your long-running and quite strident anti-Christian stance, you are totally disrespecting the occasion.

[Rhiannon]

Okay.  By impinging on a Christian festival, with your long-running and quite strident anti-Christian stance, you are totally disrespecting the occasion.

Nope, still not the same thing.

Not that I'm sure how I'm 'impinging' on it. I'm not planning on getting the local coven to crash midnight mass or go in for some ritual turkey sacrificing.

[Gordon]

So, why do you celebrate December 25th?

This is true - our youngest was born on 21st December 1988 (the day of the Lockerbie disaster), and there was a worry part way through the pregnancy that involved a wait for test results, but it all turned out fine (she will be 27 next month, and is an absolute delight).

We got to take her home on Christmas Day 1988 - best Xmas present ever!

[Shaker]

Okay.  By impinging on a Christian festival

It isn't. As in other ways you seem to be unable to cope with the modern world as it actually is and not how you wish it to be. The simplest definition of (biological) evolution is 'change over time'; that's the definition of any kind of evolution, and that includes cultural evolution. What Christmas used to be for the majority - a Christian festival predicated on the wrong birth date of Jesus - is so no longer for anything but a small minority. The 'meaning' of Christmas has become privatised so that people are now free to make of Christmas whatever they like.That is as much a fact as anything is. High time you got used to it.

[Rhiannon]

'Privatised' is exactly it.

[BashfulAnthony]

It isn't. As in other ways you seem to be unable to cope with the modern world as it actually is and not how you wish it to be. The simplest definition of (biological) evolution is 'change over time'; that's the definition of any kind of evolution, and that includes cultural evolution. What Christmas used to be for the majority - a Christian festival predicated on the wrong birth date of Jesus - is so no longer for anything but a small minority. The 'meaning' of Christmas has become privatised so that people are now free to make of Christmas whatever they like.That is as much a fact as anything is. High time you...

Just another attempting at trying, and failing, to justify your hypocrisy.  You lose, and badly!

[Shaker]

You're not actually fooling anybody by this mindless repetition of the accusation of hypocrisy without a ghost of a coherent argument to back it up.

[BashfulAnthony]

This is true - our youngest was born on 21st December 1988 (the day of the Lockerbie disaster), and there was a worry part way through the pregnancy that involved a wait for test results, but it all turned out fine (she will be 27 next month, and is an absolute delight).

We got to take her home on Christmas Day 1988 - best Xmas present ever!

I'm very happy your daughter's birth was such a joy in the end.  But, with respect, does your celebration involve Christmas trees, and cards, etc? 

[Shaker]

I'm very happy your daughter's birth was such a joy in the end.  But, with respect, does your celebration involve Christmas trees, and cards, etc?

Pagan trees and Victorian cards, indeed

[Nearly Sane]

I'm very happy your daughter's birth was such a joy in the end.  But, with respect, does your celebration involve Christmas trees, and cards, etc?

Does your's have a Christmas tree because that isn't Christian? Are you declaring yourself to be a hypocrite by your terms?

[BashfulAnthony]

Pagan trees and Victorian cards, indeed

No.  The Christmas tree is essentially a European innovation; and specifically Christian.  And cards with the nativity, angels, etc, are rather associated with  Christ's mass.

[BashfulAnthony]

You're not actually fooling anybody by this mindless repetition of the accusation of hypocrisy without a ghost of a coherent argument to back it up.

I have quoted a perfectly reasonable view that Christmas is nothing to do with atheists, and by an atheist;  but in your paranoid efforts, lasting over the years, to deny anything Christian, you simply make yourself look lame: and how!!

[Shaker]

No. The Christmas tree is essentially a European innovation; and specifically Christian. And cards with the nativity, angels, etc, are rather associated with  Christ's mass.

Hopeless. Clearly, so bereft of an argument, you've now resorted to invention.

[Shaker]

I have quoted a perfectly reasonable view that Christmas is nothing to do with atheists, and by an atheist;  but in your paranoid efforts, lasting over the years, to deny anything Christian, you simply make yourself look lame: and how!!

This "reasonable view" is the view of one atheist that you've latched onto like a limpet because of one opinion.

Do you agree that her opinion of religion in general as quoted by Sebastian Toe in #542 is equally reasonable?

[BashfulAnthony]

Hopeless. Clearly, so bereft of an argument, you've now resorted to invention.

Hey, Bonzo!  Leave that bone alone.  It's getting on everybody's nerves watching you!  You knowi t's too big for you!

[Rhiannon]

Do stop it, BA. Nobody minds you having your nativity celebration. But you lost your argument pages back; carrying on in this vein just makes you look both intolerant and daft.

[BashfulAnthony]

Do stop it, BA. Nobody minds you having your nativity celebration. But you lost your argument pages back; carrying on in this vein just makes you look both intolerant and daft.

On the contrary, Rhiannon:  I won the argument quite clearly; not that there is much of an argument, since my position is palpably the correct one; and the very fact the atheists cannot leave it be, shows that they feel guilty about their own duplicity, and are vainly trying to justify it: and failing.  And with that resounding success, I will leave it.  Do tell Shaky he can calm down now and think of his blood pressure!   

[Rhiannon]

On the contrary,Rhiannon:  I won the argument quite clearly, and the very fact the atheists cannot leave it be, shows that they feel guilty about their own duplicity, and are vainly trying to justify is: and failing.

You can add 'deluded' to 'intolerant' and 'daft'.

[Shaker]

You win arguments by actually having a case in the first place and having the better reasoning. That's you out on both counts. You don't win by saying that you're the winner.

Still, you've made yourself look like a prize tool and incidentally revealed your hypocrisy about swearing elsewhere, so it's been worthwhile for that alone.