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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2015, 08:03:38 PM »
I think his doctor has got his medication levels too high and sparky is really sparking!!!

Perhaps he's changed over from dynamism to alternatorism this would deliver more power without so many Revs.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2015, 08:30:19 PM »
That's rich coming from a guy who thinks infinite material regression is the only reasonable truth.

Not the only one of necessity, the only reasonable one I've heard. If you've got a reasonable one, put it forward - you'll either need to do what NM here is doing and try to use science, or you'll have to come up with another methodology to reliably validate non-physical claims.

Good luck :)

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2015, 11:20:03 PM »
Outrider, ippy, Jack Knave, On stage before it wore off, Gordon, BashfulAthony, Floo, BeRational, ~TW~:

Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.

Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.

If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside. The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people. Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that  nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.

Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2015, 11:28:50 PM »
Outrider, Gonnagle, Floo, Shaker:

I couldn't get all the components for my experiment in my lab. so we will have to work with our imaginations but using the Holy Bible and modern science as our tram-lines to keep us on target.

Notice that within our cloud of dark matter we have a huge imploding hole surrounded by masses of this dense material which was now being sucked into this spinning black-hole, filling it and overfilling it, spewing out massless stars, one after the other  whilst, simultaneously, massive shock-waves were emanating out from this crash-site which were passing through every other cloud in the universe whipping them up into a spinning frenzy, and, at the same time, blowing them away from the source so that an expanding universes came into being...and while this was taking place the spinning massless galaxy clouds were turning into spiralling hurricanes, sucking into the eye of their storms, massless solar balls of energy, each one spiralling up their individual hurricane columns before being centrifugally discharged from the rim of this hurricane's storm force out into the surrounding space taking up the form of a spiralling galaxy. 

I cannot think of a better explanation for the universe we see before us today...and we haven't yet, made a single atom ...but we will...and it is all possible because the Holy Bible and modern science concur...There is a superabundant, invisible, almost undetectable, dynamic energy, out there in the great abyss we call space.

How about Jam Doughnuts will we still be able to get them and will we still have competitions where we eat them without licking our lips :D :D

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2015, 08:46:09 AM »
Outrider, ippy, Jack Knave, On stage before it wore off, Gordon, BashfulAthony, Floo, BeRational, ~TW~:

Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.

Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.

If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside. The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people. Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that  nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.

Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.

Our imaginations don't work in the same way as yours, NM! ;D

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2015, 09:55:27 AM »
NM still nothing on assertions then, why's that?

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2015, 10:58:19 AM »
ippy, Floo, ~TW~:


Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.


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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2015, 10:59:31 AM »
Boy, I didn't realise that there were so many on here who couldn't stretch their minds around a few simple, and scientific, mental gymnastics...but I should have realised because the poor mechanics of alertness and mental agility are the natural results of not following Jesus accurately...or sin, that drags down our genetic health...but we'll get to that later.

Yeah, about that... I'm not rejecting your claim because I don't understand it, I'm rejecting it because you've not supplied sufficient evidence to back it up, and some of your sources of information are - at best - questionable.

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Right now we need to understand the power of zero-point energy or, rather, the clashing forces between the two dimensions I mentioned earlier. For this we need a simple analogy.

No, for this you need to explain what you mean by 'dimensions' because you aren't using it the way conventional science does - that does not make you wrong, but it is confusing.

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If we all went on a high-speed train together, travelling at say, the speed of the expanding universe and for cheapness we all had to stand in the corridor by the carriage doors, and the carriage door suddenly swung open, there would be a great suction pulling us out into the static world outside.

Except that's not how the universe is expanding. If we were all on a train expanding like the universe, the middle would be staying still and the front and rear carriages would be moving away from each other, and getting larger. The idea of opening a door into something beyond isn't something we have any data to simulate - we don't know if what's out there can interact with the universe in any meaningful way at all.

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The closest to the door would be the first and would be pulled from every direction and as many as were there would be sucked into the doorway jamming the doorway and reducing the suction power....these are the neutron people.

Why would neutrons be the first particles to reach the boundary?

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Once these were wedged in as the nucleus there would still be a powerful implosive force seeping past the nuetrons dragging in another tier of people these would be the proton people and then a much reduced imploding power would seep past these through the tiniest ley-lines of implosive force that were passing through the neatly stacked jumble of people that were making up that  nucleus...this third layer would be the electron people, all clinging to that imploding force which we will call...because it closely resembles what is happening inside every atom...the 'Higgs bosun'.

Quite apart from the complete lack of any explanation for why, at these energies, we're talking a mixture of subatomic particles (protons, neutrons and electrons) and fundamental particles (quarks, leptons, bosons etc.), I have to point out again that the particle is a Higgs boson, not bosun. Bosun is a staffing position/rank on a ship.

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Now we should be able to see by this caricature what is happening inside every newly born star and all the hidden mechanics that contribute towards life...if I am right...and the Holy Bible and modern science suggests I am.

You've not explained why any of this is relevant to stellar fusion, which is perfectly adequately explicable at the level of atomic physics - it's atoms, after all, which are fusing to give it the name.

None of this is in any way explained in the Bible, you are massively overburdening one unreliably translated version to get 'dynamic energy' which you then expect to support a premise that someone knew particle physics during the Roman Era, and has explained it to you in such a way that you are completely incapable of explaining it at all.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2015, 11:30:16 AM »
Outrider:

Thanks for that Outrider...We must though be clear, at the outset...that we, on planet Earth, have been visited by a far superior race and what they have told us is truthful and that truth is ascertained by the fact that its one single servant of that truth died a terrible death to show us the veracity of his teaching.

Sorry...I've got to go.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2015, 11:35:23 AM »
Thanks for that Outrider...We must though be clear, at the outset...that we, on planet Earth, have been visited by a far superior race and what they have told us is truthful and that truth is ascertained by the fact that its one single servant of that truth died a terrible death to show us the veracity of his teaching.

Why must we be clear on that? You've not given us any reason to even start to think that might be the case.

You are more than welcome to be clear that it's your belief, I can be equally as clear that I see no justification for the claim and I'll continue with my purely mechanistic model until and unless something crops up to justify something else.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2015, 11:47:06 AM »
ippy, Floo, ~TW~:


Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.

Blimey, chemical, electrical and magnetic forces now, WOW!  ;D

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2015, 12:53:07 PM »
ippy, Floo, ~TW~:


Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.

I couldn't help noticing that you have seen my request wanting you to tell how you think assertions work, i e, can one assertion support another as solid credible evidence for the former assertion.

If you do give an answer about how you see this assertion question I'm asking of you it's not necessary to have any references to religion when you answer.

Thanks for this response of yours but you still haven't answered the question I have asked you.

I did wonder if you might be avoiding giving me an answer about this? Of course I don't know if that's your reason but you do seem to be showing some reluctance to answer.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2015, 02:03:09 PM »
NM still nothing on assertions then, why's that?

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2015, 02:07:19 PM »
ippy, Floo, ~TW~:


Nothing on assertions ippy but loads and loads upon the workings of chemistry, electricity and magnetism and guess what??...with a little ingenuity we will see why Jesus Christ is so important to us in these 'last days' and, how, we being the by-product of these chemical, electrical, and magnetic forces, we might benefit from his teaching which starts with him stating...'upbuild within our own person a righteous spirit'.

 Bonkers is the word NM  :)
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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2015, 02:33:15 PM »
ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:

It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.

The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

 

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2015, 02:41:42 PM »
ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:

It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.

The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

 

Why do you keep referring to my name?  I haven't made any contribution to this discussion!    ???
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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2015, 02:43:45 PM »
ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:

It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.

The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

 

All that is amazing NM is your imagination! ::)

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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2015, 02:47:10 PM »
It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

So you've alleged, I've not seen any detail yet thought that would encourage me to accept the claim.

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Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.

Are you meaning universes when you say 'dimensions' - dimensions are, to our knowledge, properties of universes. I can appreciate the possibility of another universe containing the conditions which resulted in our universe as a concept, but you've not offered any information on phenomena you've observed or predicted which would validate your idea.

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The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

See, now you're attributing phenomena that haven't been observed - resurrection - to causes that you've not validated. Additionally, you're claiming that phenomena which are already reasonably explained by conventional physics as a result of your unvalidated premonitions, again without any justification.

Science does not proceed in the form: 'Wouldn't it be cool if a, therefore a'. If you want to promulgate this as a scientific hypothesis you need to explain which physical phenomena could be measured to confirm your predictions, and you need to be clearer on your use of terminology if you are going to re-use terms which already have a conventional explanation.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2015, 03:23:17 PM »
Outrider:

You are hard work Outrider...but I view it a little like this...If someone knows that we are walking in a muddy path which is littered with quicksands and warns you that you are likely to wander into a bottomless pit of quicksand if you don't follow the rules and that person gives a solid account of where those boggy traps are and how to avoid them...even if it was a difficult path to understand fully and too profound, some might realise that that the message is well meaning and full of love and care for everyone involved and they may take the appropriate precautions.

Perhaps not all but those who can relate to a loving and caring message.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2015, 03:28:26 PM »
Why do you keep referring to my name?  I haven't made any contribution to this discussion!    ???


Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of  this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.


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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2015, 03:31:20 PM »

Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of  this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.

If I want saving, NS, it is Jesus I will go to, thank you.
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« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2015, 03:38:16 PM »

Not making a contribution means you need saving as well and I can help you...plus the fact that you have decided to nip and out of  this post to suit your own purposes so must take it on the chin.

NS have you ever considered it is you who is in need of saving from your way over the top imagination?

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« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2015, 03:47:36 PM »
You are hard work Outrider...

Trust me, I know the feeling.

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If someone knows that we are walking in a muddy path which is littered with quicksands and warns you that you are likely to wander into a bottomless pit of quicksand if you don't follow the rules and that person gives a solid account of where those boggy traps are and how to avoid them...even if it was a difficult path to understand fully and too profound, some might realise that that the message is well meaning and full of love and care for everyone involved and they may take the appropriate precautions.

However, what people think they know and what they actually know aren't necessarily the same things. For instance, I know that quicksand isn't actually all that dangerous unless you jump into - given the density of it, you float, and can even swim after a fashion.

I'm perfectly happy with message of love, with sentiments that speak of respect for all people and an attitude of conciliation, co-operation and sharing. What I'm not up for is people misrepresenting science, one of the great achievements of our species, to try to sell a particular take on a misogynistic, homophobic, tribalist tradition with no verifiable basis.

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2015, 04:20:55 PM »
ippy,~TW~, BashfuAnthony, Floo, Outrider:

It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

Outrider is having difficulty with the two separate dimensions that I speak of...whilst science speaks about multi-universes containing many dimensions so it can't be too difficult to understand that there are two primary and separate dimensions from which all energy within the universe is born from the superabundant dark-matter that existed before the big-bang satisfying one of modern sciences biggest and provable mistakes.

The conflict between these two dimensions then give us gravity, the Higgs, all electromagnetic force and many things besides and the only laws required to ensure physical repair, resurrection, and everlasting life is is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.
 

Yes NM, It's amazing what we can do with a superabundant, dynamic energy spoken of in the Holy Bible and supported by modern science, isn't it??

It'll take even more superabundant dynamic energy that's spoken of in the holy bible to make you answer me and tell me how an unprovable assertion can be established as a fact by using another unprovable assertion to back up the former?

Come on NM with all of that superabundant dynamic energy that's spoken of in the holy bible supported by modern science and you can't answer a simple question?

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Re: Building a Universe God’s Way
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2015, 04:22:07 PM »
Trust me, I know the feeling.

However, what people think they know and what they actually know aren't necessarily the same things. For instance, I know that quicksand isn't actually all that dangerous unless you jump into - given the density of it, you float, and can even swim after a fashion.

I'm perfectly happy with message of love, with sentiments that speak of respect for all people and an attitude of conciliation, co-operation and sharing. What I'm not up for is people misrepresenting science, one of the great achievements of our species, to try to sell a particular take on a misogynistic, homophobic, tribalist tradition with no verifiable basis.

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