Bringing Christianity into disrepute!

[Rhiannon]

Well, one only has to read what Jesus taught to know what God thought - after all, they are one and the same.

No, that's what people wrote in a book.

[Sassy]

I found this on another forum. Talk about bringing Christianity into disrepute and then some!


Evangelist Calls On Christians To Assassinate Abortion Providers

Popular Facebook evangelist Joshua Feuerstein calls on Christians to “punish Planned Parenthood” and make abortion providers fear for their life.

The obnoxious but popular Christian evangelist Joshua Feuerstein published the following video to his Facebook page on July 29:

Planned Parenthood has hunted down millions and millions of little innocent babies, stuck a knife into the uterus, cut them, pulled them out, crushed their skull with forceps, ripped their body apart, sold their tissue, and threw them bleeding into a trash bin.

I say, tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it’s time that abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life.

 After a Christian terrorist shot and killed two civilians and a police officer and injured nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs on Friday, Feuerstein removed the despicable call to violence from his Facebook page.

The video is important because it demonstrates a dangerous and radical strain of Christian extremism that enjoys considerable popularity, and is part of a much larger campaign waged by conservative Christians within the Republican party to demonize abortion providers and Planned Parenthood. 

Feuerstein, a former pastor who calls himself a “social media personality,” is no stranger to making controversial and dangerous statements. Feuerstein was behind the recent Christian freak out over Starbucks’ alleged “anti-Jesus” red holiday cups.

Even more alarming, last year Feuerstein encouraged Christians to fight same-sex marriage with guns.

Feuerstein may be an ignorant and ugly religious zealot, but with over 1.8 million Facebook followers his influence should not be underestimated. And while it is unclear whether or not the Christian terrorist behind the recent attack on Planned Parenthood was directly influenced by Feuerstein’s dangerous call to action, there can be no doubt that the video feeds and encourages the dangerous climate that makes terrorist acts against Planned Parenthood not only likely, but inevitable.

Bottom line: Feuerstein is a Christian terrorist promoting Christian terrorism.

It amazes me the double standards that atheists or even agnostics have.
When Islam terrorist kill innocent people they say that the peaceful 'true' Muslims are not responsible and they are the real Islam religious followers. But when it comes to Christianity and you get break-off groups who act contrary to the teachings of love your neighbour you immediately want to make this about every Christian believer as if automatically they are one and the same.

NO the above is NOT mainstream Christianity or it's teachings and you have no right to make it about bringing Christianity into disrepute because right minded people who know what Christianity is, do not associate the actions of the few the actions of Jesus Christ.

[Hope]

No, that's what people wrote in a book.

And you have evidence that that is all it was?  Remember that the earliest written reports date from perhaps 12 years after the death and putative resurrection of Christ.  We have already had the 'previous written document that the gospel writers based their accounts on' suggestion, and not from one of the normal religious apologists.  We also know from studies that oral cultures were better at retaining stories and their wording than literate cultures like ourselves.

[Hope]

NO the above is NOT mainstream Christianity or it's teachings and you have no right to make it about bringing Christianity into disrepute because right minded people who know what Christianity is, do not associate the actions of the few the actions of Jesus Christ.

Sass, people do have the right to make it about bringing Christianity (or Islam, or Hindusim or Buddhism) into disrepute.  Whether such things really do this is a different matter - after all, as I have pointed out before, almost all the same forms of events can occur at the hand of anyone, regardless of their belief system.

[floo]

It amazes me the double standards that atheists or even agnostics have.
When Islam terrorist kill innocent people they say that the peaceful 'true' Muslims are not responsible and they are the real Islam religious followers. But when it comes to Christianity and you get break-off groups who act contrary to the teachings of love your neighbour you immediately want to make this about every Christian believer as if automatically they are one and the same.

NO the above is NOT mainstream Christianity or it's teachings and you have no right to make it about bringing Christianity into disrepute because right minded people who know what Christianity is, do not associate the actions of the few the actions of Jesus Christ.

Sass you are one of the 'Christians' on this forum who do the faith no favours at all, imo!

[savillerow]

Msg 76 It amazes me how anyone of any "faith" needs "teachings" It's just bloody annoying. What is it that you don't know? Religious faiths are a curse on mankind. Why oh why can't you walk away from it?

[Sassy]

Sass, people do have the right to make it about bringing Christianity (or Islam, or Hindusim or Buddhism) into disrepute.  Whether such things really do this is a different matter - after all, as I have pointed out before, almost all the same forms of events can occur at the hand of anyone, regardless of their belief system.

Therein lies the problem for all to see. You omit the parts which are relevant to what has been said:-

It amazes me the double standards that atheists or even agnostics have.
When Islam terrorist kill innocent people they say that the peaceful 'true' Muslims are not responsible and they are the real Islam religious followers. But when it comes to Christianity and you get break-off groups who act contrary to the teachings of love your neighbour you immediately want to make this about every Christian believer as if automatically they are one and the same.

Either address the whole post or don't address it at all.
You are cherry picking points out of context now answer the whole post or not at all.

[Sassy]

Sass you are one of the 'Christians' on this forum who do the faith no favours at all, imo!

You mean because you don't like the truth you automatically make judgement calls without any evidence or facts.. That would be about right..
You would be the perfect example for these verses:

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

That is the attitude you have and yet blind to see that is the attitude that caused people to be put to death by God. Because they do not love others.

[Sassy]

Msg 76 It amazes me how anyone of any "faith" needs "teachings" It's just bloody annoying. What is it that you don't know? Religious faiths are a curse on mankind. Why oh why can't you walk away from it?

Show me what damage Christ did in his mission?

He healed the sick, cured the lame and fed the hungry. For which of these things should he be cursed for?
Do you think you are too busy living in the present to see the reality of the past?
Who made guns and weapons of destruction? Who causes the famine now and destroys other humans? I think that humans are bloody annoying and even worse than two faced. They are like town hall clock faced all round. For the destruction in this present time is solely theirs as authors.

[floo]

Show me what damage Christ did in his mission?

He healed the sick, cured the lame and fed the hungry. For which of these things should he be cursed for?
Do you think you are too busy living in the present to see the reality of the past?
Who made guns and weapons of destruction? Who causes the famine now and destroys other humans? I think that humans are bloody annoying and even worse than two faced. They are like town hall clock faced all round. For the destruction in this present time is solely theirs as authors.

Temper! Temper!

There is not one iota of evidence Jesus actually did any of the less than credible things his followers claimed he did!

[savillerow]

Msg 83 Sassy You are part of the deluded problem. The solution is for people to try and drop all their strange unproven beliefs. I agree it may be hard to free yourselves but the prize would help mankind in so many ways.

[ippy]

And you have evidence that that is all it was?  Remember that the earliest written reports date from perhaps 12 years after the death and putative resurrection of Christ.  We have already had the 'previous written document that the gospel writers based their accounts on' suggestion, and not from one of the normal religious apologists.  We also know from studies that oral cultures were better at retaining stories and their wording than literate cultures like ourselves.

"Here We Go Again Happy As Can Be", there's nothing like the old songs.

ippy

[Dicky Underpants]

And you have evidence that that is all it was? 

We have evidence in that 'book' that the accounts about Jesus' nature vary considerably, according to interpretation - even in the writings of Paul. I don't think we need to go into the truth or untruth of the Trinity again, but the disputes down the ages about Jesus' degree of 'humanness" indicate that claims that he 'was God' are indeed just matters of interpretation. And we have one believer on this very thread who rejects your original statement.

[BashfulAnthony]

It amazes me the double standards that atheists or even agnostics have.
When Islam terrorist kill innocent people they say that the peaceful 'true' Muslims are not responsible and they are the real Islam religious followers. But when it comes to Christianity and you get break-off groups who act contrary to the teachings of love your neighbour you immediately want to make this about every Christian believer as if automatically they are one and the same.

NO the above is NOT mainstream Christianity or it's teachings and you have no right to make it about bringing Christianity into disrepute because right minded people who know what Christianity is, do not associate the actions of the few the actions of Jesus Christ.

You make a salient point,Sassy.  The truth is, the atheists on here have no clue, it seems, as to what Christianity is truly about; nor do they care.  They are stuck in the Middle Ages, in some kind of weird time-warp,  and are bent only on debunking.  It's sad.  Though they will, of course, enjoy joining in with Christian festivities over the next month!   Got your Advent Calendars, trees, cards, presents and all, you lot!   

[savillerow]

Msg 88 BA "stuck in the Middle Ages.  Some kind of weird time warp" That's you, don't you get it. The book is the book is the book is the book. From so long long long ago. No update acoming.

[BashfulAnthony]

Msg 88 BA "stuck in the Middle Ages.  Some kind of weird time warp" That's you, don't you get it. The book is the book is the book is the book. From so long long long ago. No update acoming.

Just a helpful hint:  check your English before posting.

[Shaker]

You make a salient point,Sassy.  The truth is, the atheists on here have no clue, it seems, as to what Christianity is truly about; nor do they care.  They are stuck in the Middle Ages, in some kind of weird time-warp,  and are bent only on debunking.  It's sad.  Though they will, of course, enjoy joining in with Christian festivities over the next month!   Got your Advent Calendars, trees, cards, presents and all, you lot!   

Your memory's going - must be your age, I guess. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago and it was explained to you, with far more care and patience than you actually deserve, that the atheists here don't join in with a Christian festival.

The non-Christian origins of things like trees and cards also seem to have slipped your mind.

[Owlswing]

Your memory's going - must be your age, I guess. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago and it was explained to you, with far more care and patience than you actually deserve, that the atheists here don't join in with a Christian festival.

The non-Christian origins of things like trees and cards also seem to have slipped your mind.

Shaker

Give it up! BA only listens to God!

[Shaker]

Doesn't say much for God, does it?

[BashfulAnthony]

Your memory's going - must be your age, I guess. We had this discussion a couple of weeks ago and it was explained to you, with far more care and patience than you actually deserve, that the atheists here don't join in with a Christian festival.

The non-Christian origins of things like trees and cards also seem to have slipped your mind.

The origin is nothing to do with whether you follow the traditions now.  And that is why I so amply proved you to be a hypocrite.  Can't take it, can you!

You forgot Advent Cards?  Any atheist here got the honesty to admit they have one?

[BashfulAnthony]

Shaker

Give it up! BA only listens to God!

Of course I do.  I believe in Him just as you have your beliefs, and stand up for them.

[BashfulAnthony]

Doesn't say much for God, does it?

Listen who's talking!  Wow, what massive self-deception:  as if your nasty comments are of any worth.

[Nearly Sane]

The origin is nothing to do with whether you follow the traditions now.  And that is why I so amply proved you to be a hypocrite.  Can't take it, can you!

You forgot Advent Cards?  Any atheist here got the honesty to admit they have one?

Advent cards?

[Shaker]

The origin is nothing to do with whether you follow the traditions now.

No Christian traditions, no

And that is why I so amply proved you to be a hypocrite.  Can't take it, can you!

Can you link to that again?

You forgot Advent Cards?  Any atheist here got the honesty to admit they have one?

I don't know what they are.

[BashfulAnthony]

No Christian traditions, no
Can you link to that again?
I don't know what they are.

Don't pretend ignorance... but then...