OOB dream experience.

[ippy]

Indeed, and


I have to agree that when you present my words without the rest of the post that included, the words of mine you've presented here, you, I'm sure unintentionally, have made it look as though I have made an assertion.

Just out of interest B A are you in some way, or another, connected with Hope? only the above is more his style than yours.

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[BashfulAnthony]

Just out of interest B A are you in some way, or another, connected with Hope? only the above is more his style than yours.

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I hope not.  See what I did there?   

[Dicky Underpants]

To be honest, Dicky, I don't believe that dreams "mean" anything. They are just the brain free-wheeling when our normal senses are switched off, as in sleep or unconsciousness.

We humans seem to want to find "meanings/causes" for everything, and often resort to fantasy to satisfy that need.

That of course is what I believe now, Len. But I didn't believe it at the time  - I certainly believed that reality had a 'spiritual' dimension to it. I certainly seemed to 'dream' a lot more when I had such beliefs than I do now that I've lost them. Somewhat the reverse of what our favourite atheist-basher would like to believe

[Jack Knave]

I hadn't heard of that, Shakes, and it certainly sounds very unpleasant. It seems our brains have evolved with some very weird properties.

Your brain, Leonard? How can your brain view things from an external point of view? I assume you had verified what was going on to you physically, in detail, so as to confirm it wasn't a dream?

[Jack Knave]

Believe me, Rose, I wouldn't let him near me with a needle under any circumstances ... but dreams can relax all our inhibitions!

If it was a dream then it wasn't a OOB!!!!

Jesus, Leonard, get your fact rights!!!

[Leonard James]

Your brain, Leonard? How can your brain view things from an external point of view? I assume you had verified what was going on to you physically, in detail, so as to confirm it wasn't a dream?

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Read my opening post.

[Leonard James]

If it was a dream then it wasn't a OOB!!!!

Jesus, Leonard, get your fact rights!!!

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Read my opening post!

[BashfulAnthony]

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I think you'll have to excuse Lenny:  he must have been kissed on the head by the Pope.     

[Leonard James]

For those with a weak ability to comprehend, here is the first line of my opening post.

For the first time in my life I had an out of body dream.

In other words I dreamt I had an out of body experience. Is that clear now?

I learnt that the brain can produce out of body experiences whether it is near death or not, confirming my belief that such experiences are nothing more than illusions.

[BashfulAnthony]

For those with a weak ability to comprehend, here is the first line of my opening post.

In other words I dreamt I had an out of body experience. Is that clear now?

I learnt that the brain can produce out of body experiences whether it is near death or not, confirming my belief that such experiences are nothing more than illusions.

It is not a question of people being unable to comprehend:  it is a matter of you being unable to make a point clearly.

[floo]

For those with a weak ability to comprehend, here is the first line of my opening post.

In other words I dreamt I had an out of body experience. Is that clear now?

I learnt that the brain can produce out of body experiences whether it is near death or not, confirming my belief that such experiences are nothing more than illusions.

LJ if some of us younger people had the intellect you display at your great age we would be very grateful indeed. Take no notice of your detractors they are just jealous they are lacking in that department!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The trouble is mental phenomena are less easily connected to actual physical sites much to the chagrin of reductionists.

I am happy that these are emergent properties. Dreams of course are remembered only if the conscious waked mind catches the subconscious doing what it does.

It would seem that Len mulls over such things in his subconscious mind. He could for instance rather have had a more trivial dream.

[Leonard James]

LJ if some of us younger people had the intellect you display at your great age we would be very grateful indeed. Take no notice of your detractors they are just jealous they are lacking in that department!

Thank you, Roses!

I am well aware of the limitations of the droll, troll-queens, and normally just ignore them.

But sometimes I feel they need to be reminded that their put-down posts are just examples of their inferiority complex surfacing. 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

LJ if some of us younger people had the intellect you display at your great age we would be very grateful indeed. Take no notice of your detractors they are just jealous they are lacking in that department!

We know nothing of the intellectual capability of people who just assert stuff.

[Leonard James]

It would seem that Len mulls over such things in his subconscious mind.

As does everybody ... we are just not aware of doing so. That's why it's called the subconscious.

He could for instance rather have had a more trivial dream.

Once again ... so could everybody!

I attach no more importance to them than any other dreams. As I have already said, they are just the brain passing the time ... rather like chewing on a piece of grass while thinking.

Many people have seized on the phenomenon to make money out of the credulous.

[Leonard James]

We know nothing of the intellectual capability of people who just assert stuff.

He asserted! 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As does everybody ... we are just not aware of doing so. That's why it's called the subconscious.

No occasionally we do as when we pass from a sleep state to a wakeful state or visa versa.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He asserted! 

Let me explain. If you assert stuff we cannot see your ''working out or working through'' of what you assert. We don't know whether you are, say, merely parroting an antitheist site, vis anything about not having to know anything about leprechauns or fairies and the bottoms of gardens.

If the cap fits.

[Leonard James]

Let me explain. If you assert stuff we cannot see your ''working out or working through'' of what you assert. We don't know whether you are, say, merely parroting an antitheist site, vis anything about not having to know anything about leprechauns or fairies and the bottoms of gardens.

If the cap fits.

Just to put you right ... I don't parrot anything, I post my own conclusions ... but fully realise they are based on my life experiences.

Like everybody else here.

[Udayana]

As does everybody ... we are just not aware of doing so. That's why it's called the subconscious.

Once again ... so could everybody!

I attach no more importance to them than any other dreams. As I have already said, they are just the brain passing the time ... rather like chewing on a piece of grass while thinking.

Many people have seized on the phenomenon to make money out of the credulous.

hmmm ... it obviously disturbed you enough for you to post it here.

Anyway, there's your problem - grass fine, but thinking can have all sorts of upsetting side effects!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Just to put you right ... I don't parrot anything, I post my own conclusions ... but fully realise they are based on my life experiences.

Like everybody else here.

Nope......... the leprechaun and enjoying the garden without the fairies schtick crops up quite frequently.

You did accuse me of mere assertion and IMHO haven't enjoyed the implications  of the ''working through''.

If what you are saying is ''I do not parrot......all my mere assertions are my own effort'' I am perfectly happy to accept that Leonard.

[Leonard James]

hmmm ... it obviously disturbed you enough for you to post it here.

It confirmed something I have long believed. Hardly disturbing! 

Anyway, there's your problem - grass fine, but thinking can have all sorts of upsetting side effects!

Upsetting? You do use words in the most mistaken manner.

[Leonard James]

Nope......... the leprechaun and enjoying the garden without the fairies schtick crops up quite frequently.

You did accuse me of mere assertion and IMHO haven't enjoyed the implications  of the ''working through''.

If what you are saying is ''I do not parrot......all my mere assertions are my own effort'' I am perfectly happy to accept that Leonard.

Accept whatever you want ... it's all one as far as I am concerned.

[Udayana]

It confirmed something I have long believed. Hardly disturbing! 

Upsetting? You do use words in the most mistaken manner.

OK, no problem then

[Leonard James]

OK, no problem then

Apart from the ones that beset us on every step of our way through life!