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Changes in America!
« on: November 27, 2015, 05:52:06 AM »
Hi everyone,

Here is an article about demographic changes in the US.

http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/24/opinions/liu-race-poll/index.html

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....the number of Americans who say racism is a big problem has jumped significantly since 2011.

And beneath them all is a deep tectonic shift: whiteness and Americanness are at long last delinking. This will be painful in the short term, especially for whites. The long term depends on how all of us respond to pain.

From the origins of our country, to be white was to be presumed American and to be American was to be presumed white.

....things are now changing, rapidly and inexorably. A majority of babies born in the United States are now of non-European descent. In 25 years, America will be majority people of color. And this demographic revolution is creating simultaneous surges of hopefulness and anxiety...

You can sense this flux in three key findings from the new poll: about the American Dream, institutional racism and white privilege.

Most white Americans surveyed believe they will do worse than their parents.  But strikingly, most African Americans, especially younger ones, now feel they have a better chance of achieving the American Dream than their parents did.

... Whites, by a two-to-one margin, believe racism is a problem of bad individuals rather than biased institutions. Blacks and Hispanics are far more divided on the question.

Most whites surveyed admitted that being white has been an advantage for them socially and economically. That must change. It is starting to.

Latinos are now the largest group of color in America. Asian Americans are the fastest-growing immigrant group, and there are burgeoning numbers of mixed-race Americans.

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Some trends that may also be relevant to Europe in the future.

For information.

Sriram




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Re: Changes in America!
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2015, 07:33:04 AM »
I don't see there being a huge explosion of the Hispanic population in Europe any time in the future. As for "People of colour" a large number of Hispanics identify as "white", they have no more "colour" than Mediterranean Europeans, in some cases they are paler.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 02:05:45 PM »
It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for  threads like this one.

We're all members of the human race, but there's some of us that are still far better looking than a lot of the others.

ippy
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2015, 02:07:05 PM »
It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for  threads like this one.

We're all members of the human race, but some of us that are still far better looking than a lot of the others.

ippy

I just know you had me in mind when you said that!   :)
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2015, 02:43:02 PM »

Increased racial tensions in the US... and many people are blaming....Obama!!

http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/obama-race-cnn-kff-poll/index.html

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Yep, thanks President Obama. You ran for office vowing to unite us, but instead you gave us race-baiting, race riots and Black Lives Matter. You turned the promise of a post-racial era into one of the most racial periods in American history.

At least, that's the standard Obama critique that the viral Cheetos GIF mocks with its sarcastic caption.

Barack Obama is indeed seen as one of the most polarizing presidents in American history, according to numerous polls. Much of that polarization revolves around race. The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned "all the demons of American racism ... from the sewer."

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Obama...really??!!  How can the President be held responsible for the racial tensions?



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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2015, 02:56:18 PM »
Increased racial tensions in the US... and many people are blaming....Obama!!

http://us.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/obama-race-cnn-kff-poll/index.html

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Yep, thanks President Obama. You ran for office vowing to unite us, but instead you gave us race-baiting, race riots and Black Lives Matter. You turned the promise of a post-racial era into one of the most racial periods in American history.

At least, that's the standard Obama critique that the viral Cheetos GIF mocks with its sarcastic caption.

Barack Obama is indeed seen as one of the most polarizing presidents in American history, according to numerous polls. Much of that polarization revolves around race. The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned "all the demons of American racism ... from the sewer."

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Obama...really??!!  How can the President be held responsible for the racial tensions?
Is it cos he is black?

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2015, 02:58:42 PM »
Is it cos he is black?

Is he is, or is he ain't?
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2015, 04:28:43 PM »
I just know you had me in mind when you said that!   :)

I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2015, 05:42:22 PM »
I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.

ippy

So harsh!  I would never have thought it of you!
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2015, 06:47:52 PM »
I did have you in mind and thought oh well we can't all be winners, I know, bitchy.

ippy

So harsh!  I would never have thought it of you!

Pah, if you think I can't deal with jelosy.

ippy

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2015, 06:49:37 PM »
Pah, if you think I can't deal with jelosy.

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Not really sure what that is!   ;)
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2015, 03:41:50 AM »
It goes away when they're all mixed-race.

The last bastion of whitedom will be the white trash.  By then, it'll be unfashionable to be white and all the other whites will be going to tanning booths and having their hair blackened.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2015, 04:49:37 AM »


Lots of great things in 'whites'. They have been very adventurous, organised, rational.....which is why they were such great explorers, scientists and engineers. Great qualities that have made the world more civilized, organised and orderly. They are also a better looking race than others. It'll be a pity if they 'disappear'. 

Maintaining some amount of racial purity is important IMO....which is not the same as discriminating against others, let me add.


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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2015, 10:24:49 AM »
More bollocks!  sheesh... !
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2015, 10:34:06 AM »

Lots of great things in 'whites'. They have been very adventurous, organised, rational.....which is why they were such great explorers, scientists and engineers. Great qualities that have made the world more civilized, organised and orderly. They are also a better looking race than others. It'll be a pity if they 'disappear'. 
It's only a recent and temporary aberration.  I read a book which explained the advance of Europe in terms of uniquely complex geology.
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Maintaining some amount of racial purity is important IMO....which is not the same as discriminating against others, let me add.
There isn't any racial purity.  There were no original pure races.  We're a common stock that was starting to diverge, but now it won't.  Like stray mongrels.  They may have had "pure-bred" ancestors, but those were only inbred dogs.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2015, 09:18:28 AM »
There isn't any racial purity.  There were no original pure races.  We're a common stock that was starting to diverge, but now it won't.  Like stray mongrels.  They may have had "pure-bred" ancestors, but those were only inbred dogs.

That analogy does not work. The ancestors of dogs were wolves.

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2015, 10:13:14 AM »
It's about time colour's not up for discussion, it's one world and we're all in it, end of story, there shouldn't be a need for  threads like this one.
Whilst I'd agree with the first part of this quote, I think that threads like this are important because of the historical assumption and understandings that many people still hold.  For instance, here in the UK, we are constantly being told that we were, even if we aren't any longer, a "Christian country".  You, ippy, are one of the regular promoters of such an understanding.

I think that many Christians and other people of faith are beginning to understand that such a phrase is a misnomer.  Religious belief, much like political belief, is firstly individual, and only secondly communal.  It is the individuals that make up the community; it isn't something that can be imposed on individuals by community/society, however many laws one might have to this effect.

I wonder when the likes of you will begin to realise this and appreciate that one can't impose a secular way of thinking on people; they can only accept it once it has any relevance to their lives.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2015, 10:44:50 AM »
Whilst I'd agree with the first part of this quote, I think that threads like this are important because of the historical assumption and understandings that many people still hold.  For instance, here in the UK, we are constantly being told that we were, even if we aren't any longer, a "Christian country".  You, ippy, are one of the regular promoters of such an understanding.

I think that many Christians and other people of faith are beginning to understand that such a phrase is a misnomer.  Religious belief, much like political belief, is firstly individual, and only secondly communal.  It is the individuals that make up the community; it isn't something that can be imposed on individuals by community/society, however many laws one might have to this effect.

I wonder when the likes of you will begin to realise this and appreciate that one can't impose a secular way of thinking on people; they can only accept it once it has any relevance to their lives.

Only just seen this post of yours Hope, my first thought was I wonder what it must be living life and in parallel having such major misunderstandings about it.

You still haven't got secularism?

It's no good me trying to explain, you'd only twist and turn yourself inside out, probably because your religious leaders have told you it's no good, well they would do, trouble is you can't see through their reasoning.

Don't ask me to explain my post to you, you wouldn't let yourself understand anyway, can't see if I tried to explain, it would be worth the effort. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2015, 10:55:48 AM »
Only just seen this post of yours Hope, my first thought was I wonder what it must be living life and in parallel having such major misunderstandings about it.
Well, since I'm noit you, I'm afraid I can't answer those questions.

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Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child.  I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2015, 11:05:06 AM »
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Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child.  I think I understand it pretty well, even though there are some organisations nowadays who want to re-define it.

Means nothing - I was brought up with cricket as a child. Still don't understand it.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2015, 11:49:57 AM »
Not quite sure how old you are, but I was brought up with secularism since I was a child.  I think I understand it pretty well
No, I don't think.you do.

For all I know you may be referring to active atheism or passive agnosticism/ignosticism or something like that, but none of those things are inherent to secularism, some of whose staunchest defenders are religious people - because they understand it.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2015, 02:59:38 PM »
Means nothing - I was brought up with cricket as a child. Still don't understand it.

Really?  Yet you have opinions on all kinds of subjects, far more "intellectual" than cricket; but you cannot understand what is basically a very simple game.  It's because you aren't interested, and so haven't tried. 
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2015, 03:03:33 PM »
Really?  Yet you have opinions on all kinds of subjects, far more "intellectual" than cricket; but you cannot understand what is basically a very simple game.  It's because you aren't interested, and so haven't tried.

Take a chill pill Ant.

I was merely making a point about assertion - it proves nothing to say I understand "x" because it's been around all the time I've been alive. you have to demonstrate that you understand it.
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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2015, 03:06:10 PM »
Take a chill pill Ant.

I was merely making a point about assertion - it proves nothing to say I understand "x" because it's been around all the time I've been alive. you have to demonstrate that you understand it.

Kindly don't use the blessed game in dismissive terms.
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