Arguments for and against the UK joining the strikes on ISIS in Syria

[wigginhall]

Hello, another derail. 

[Shaker]

Dis rail, or dat rail?

[wigginhall]

A Bash-rail. 

[BashfulAnthony]

Hello, another derail.

If such a capital offence worries you, then ignore it, and it no longer derails.  Okay?

[wigginhall]

If such a capital offence worries you, then ignore it, and it no longer derails.  Okay?

Not really.  I understand that you need to derail many threads, but there is a thread on Corbyn somewhere, so why don't you go there and whine?

[BashfulAnthony]

Not really.  I understand that you need to derail many threads, but there is a thread on Corbyn somewhere, so why don't you go there and whine?

No.  I chose to whine here. I know it annoys you.   

[wigginhall]

As NS said, trolling, trolling, trolling, keep those fallacies rolling. 

[BashfulAnthony]

As NS said, trolling, trolling, trolling, keep those fallacies rolling.

One of NS's less effective comments.  He was quite likely off somewhere quietly overcome by flatulence:: see earlier posts.   

[Shaker]

Good luck with this thread, Gordon!

[BashfulAnthony]

Good luck with this thread, Gordon!

Yes Gordon;  he was warning you that he's joining any de-rails that are going.  He is a one!   

[Nearly Sane]

Unmanageable?  Maybe.  But he is not the man for the job, whatever the state of the Party.  His election was a potential disaster;  and each week that goes by, he is proving that it is.

The party is broken. He didn't break it;he is a symptom of it being broken. They could have elected a combination of Gandhi, Darth Vader and Carol Kirkwood, and they would still be a porcine cephelus to G&D

[BashfulAnthony]

The party is broken. He didn't break it;he is a symptom of it being broken. They could have elected a combination of Gandhi, Darth Vader and Carol Kirkwood, and they would still be a porcine cephelus to G&D

I agree;  and if he went tomorrow it would only be a good thing for Labour.

[Nearly Sane]

I agree;  and if he went tomorrow it would only be a good thing for Labour.

Except it wouldn't because if he goes the party breaks further. To be fair they will not win the next election, unless the next leader of the Tories joins ISIS live on TV while shooting the Queen and spunking jism over the lifeless beheaded head of David Attenborough.

[Outrider]

I agree;  and if he went tomorrow it would only be a good thing for Labour.

In what sense? It might make them more electable, but only because they'd be red tories - where would be the Labour that represents a socialist mindset of any kind?

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Except it wouldn't because if he goes the party breaks further. To be fair they will not win the next election, unless the next leader of the Tories joins ISIS live on TV while shooting the Queen and spunking jism over the lifeless beheaded head of David Attenborough.

It might if it was the head of David Cameron!   

[BashfulAnthony]

In what sense? It might make them more electable, but only because they'd be red tories - where would be the Labour that represents a socialist mindset of any kind?

O.

That disappeared with the advent of the blessed-one, Blair!

[Outrider]

That disappeared with the advent of the blessed-one, Blair!

Perhaps, but those people didn't disappear. Corbyn's been there since before Blairites came around, and that mentality will likely around for a considerable while yet.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Perhaps, but those people didn't disappear. Corbyn's been there since before Blairites came around, and that mentality will likely around for a considerable while yet.

All Corbyn is doing is highlighting the fact that old Labour is gone, dead and buried;  and he is a political dinosaur. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sane,

Except it wouldn't because if he goes the party breaks further. To be fair they will not win the next election, unless the next leader of the Tories joins ISIS live on TV while shooting the Queen and spunking jism over the lifeless beheaded head of David Attenborough.

That is supposing that the tories are intelligent, which they are not, they are crafty, fly, masters of smoke and mirrors, but then maybe that is all it takes in politics, for me, Corbyn is a breathe of fresh air, a man of principle, maybe, just maybe the British electorate will wake up.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Assuming that this thread is still about Syria - there are some interesting discussions about troop numbers going on.  The US had 170, 000 in Iraq, facing an insurgency probably smaller than IS.   I think there was hand to hand combat in Iraq, e.g. Fallujah, but IS may well use guerrilla tactics - some journos are already saying that many have left Raqqa.   Still, keep on bombing.

Agree,and what are they there for? Are they savingS and getting rid of Assad? Are they getting rid of Assad and killing the Kurds? Are they supporting Saudi in Yemen but killing the Saudi supported ISIS? Or doesn't it realtor matter as they are all a bit brown?

[BeRational]

I just want them to kill anyone and everyone that wants to kill us, as quickly and efficiently as possible.

[Outrider]

Agree,and what are they there for? Are they savingS and getting rid of Assad? Are they getting rid of Assad and killing the Kurds? Are they supporting Saudi in Yemen but killing the Saudi supported ISIS? Or doesn't it realtor matter as they are all a bit brown?

It strikes me that it's not really about 'them', so much as it's about 'us'. It's an expression of anger and frustration at the deaths in Paris, even though the majority of people responsible for that are already dead. It's an empty gesture from Cameron pitched as 'security' and 'justice'; it's not even the counterproductive 'vengeance', it's just targetting 'other' with the appearance of significant action rather than having the courage to do something worthwhile even if it doesn't make for headline grabbing pictures.

Political opportunism in the wake of tragedy - it's no wonder politics disgusts so many people.

O.

[BeRational]

It strikes me that it's not really about 'them', so much as it's about 'us'. It's an expression of anger and frustration at the deaths in Paris, even though the majority of people responsible for that are already dead. It's an empty gesture from Cameron pitched as 'security' and 'justice'; it's not even the counterproductive 'vengeance', it's just targetting 'other' with the appearance of significant action rather than having the courage to do something worthwhile even if it doesn't make for headline grabbing pictures.

Political opportunism in the wake of tragedy - it's no wonder politics disgusts so many people.

O.

I sort of understand what you are saying. As you say most who committed THAT offence are dead. The problem surely is that more are coming.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

That is supposing that the tories are intelligent, which they are not, they are crafty, fly, masters of smoke and mirrors, but then maybe that is all it takes in politics, for me, Corbyn is a breathe of fresh air, a man of principle, maybe, just maybe the British electorate will wake up.

Gonnagle.

The Tories are about to change the number and division of seats to something that is in the favour of Labour to an extent to one that will be in their favour. The swing needed then will make 1997 look like a breathed wave vs a tsunami.

And as for Jeremy and the Labour party, where was he and nearly of them this vote in the vote against Trident renewal? Hmmm abstaining.

[Nearly Sane]

I sort of understand what you are saying. As you say most who committed THAT offence are dead. The problem surely is that more are coming.

And why is that? And does fairly indiscriminate bombing and the collateral killing of innocents stop it in any way?