The Highest Jew

[floo]

I would have thought my answer here would have silenced all critics Floo...except, of course, those who have little understanding about science and who can't see that accepting science is the highest foundation for exploring and unifying that science...and if the Holy Bible gives a helping hand then so be it...especially when it becomes clear that the author of the Holy Bible had a very high grasp of that knowledge contained within this science.

Closed minds only have the ability to repeat their rhetoric so it would be helpful if you embroidered a little on my errors...as you see them.

Equating science with the Bible goes to show you have no real idea what science about, each of your posts seems to confirm it.

[NicholasMarks]

Righteousness strikes a chord with many people Nicolas.

The problem is everyone has slightly different ideas on what that is.

I eat meat, some people would think that goes against being righteous.

The best we can do is share our ideas and argue our case.

In the OT they did that, and in the Talmud.

I feel closer to the Jewish idea of questioning, than I do to the Christian and Muslim one of surrendering

I think it is awful when Jews lose that.... I think life is about questioning 🌹

Christianity just doesn't feel it fits me, and I'm too old to convert to Judaism plus my family are into bacon sarnies. 

But I can really appreciate aspects of Judaism 

Righteousness has only one meaning Rose...it is what Jesus said and did...it is what we should try and adopt as our nature giving up all the snarls and aggression we encounter every day here. The reason why this is a good idea is so that we can soothe and calm our own genetic health but those who are the most wound-up get their highest delight out of winding up the genetic health of all those around them.

This is why it is wise to listen to Jesus Christ because when our genetic health fails a whole assortment of malfunctions tell us that we should have listened to him in the first place.

[NicholasMarks]

Equating science with the Bible goes to show you have no real idea what science about, each of your posts seems to confirm it.

That isn't very specific Floo, but it will do.

On what grounds do you say that the universe isn't made from a wonderful, invisible, dynamic energy, as recorded in the Holy Bible and which gives a complete and absolute answer to all sciences...when you look at it my, and the Holy Bibles way??

[BeRational]

That isn't very specific Floo, but it will do.

On what grounds do you say that the universe isn't made from a wonderful, invisible, dynamic energy, as recorded in the Holy Bible and which gives a complete and absolute answer to all sciences...when you look at it my, and the Holy Bibles way??

On the grounds that this is the DEFAULT position, until you can demonstrate it to be true.

Simply saying it over and over and over again does not make it true.

It does indicate you are delusional though.

[NicholasMarks]

On the grounds that this is the DEFAULT position, until you can demonstrate it to be true.

Simply saying it over and over and over again does not make it true.

It does indicate you are delusional though.

Let's take a look at this sciences attributes then BeRational...It unifies all science...It unifies all universal forces....it unifies evolution...it unifies the teaching of Jesus Christ and it unifies the Old Testament too...Oh...and it has unified many people over many generations either by its purity or its iniquity and let's face it...it has a lot to say from your perspective too.

I think that says an awful lot for a very simple, honest and righteous science.


Got to go.

[BeRational]

Let's take a look at this sciences attributes then BeRational...It unifies all science...It unifies all universal forces....it unifies evolution...it unifies the teaching of Jesus Christ and it unifies the Old Testament too...Oh...and it has unified many people over many generations either by its purity or its iniquity and let's face it...it has a lot to say from your perspective too.

I think that says an awful lot for a very simple, honest and righteous science.


Got to go.

It DOES NOT unify anything.

It is an assertion.

It is NOTHING until you can demonstrate it.

Can you demonstrate it, and not just keep repeating assertions.

[floo]

That isn't very specific Floo, but it will do.

On what grounds do you say that the universe isn't made from a wonderful, invisible, dynamic energy, as recorded in the Holy Bible and which gives a complete and absolute answer to all sciences...when you look at it my, and the Holy Bibles way??

Here we go again! The Bible doesn't mention science, or dynamic energy, which isn't surprising as science as a discipline hadn't been thought of in those far off days!

[SqueakyVoice]

Closed minds only have the ability to repeat their rhetoric so it would be helpful if you embroidered a little on my errors...as you see them.

Well, for starters,

there's  no evidence that life on Earth died out completely.

there's no evidence that a being from another planet came to this one and re-started life.

there's no reason to suppose that the magic spaceman hung around and impregnated a young jewish virgin some 2,000 years ago (other otherwise influenced the intellectual development of some jewish bloke about that time).

there's  no reason to suppose that you have "unified the four fundamental forces".

Your descriptions of gravity, orbits and even the swing of a pendulum display a sub GCSE grasp of any of these motions.

the assertion that the Earth will (by means unknown) suddenly 'fly off' into a different orbit due (apparently) to a combination of climate change and global conflicts indicates possibly the most pronounced example of the Dunning-Kruger effect ever committed to type.

I cannot think of a single statement of yours regarding science that doesn't fall soundly into the Not Even Wrong category.

...and that really is just for starters.

[NicholasMarks]

SqueakyVoice, Floo, BeRational:


BeRational...When a single line of logic explains everything, especially, the complexities of science and even more especially ventures into genetic health and shows how millions of people over many generations have clung to that teaching it shows that  there is great value in that teaching...A science, especially built around the poor, might be hard to swallow but I'm afraid, if nothing else, it is worth exploring and if you find the wonderful truth I have found ok...but if you haven't well your science must be a bit wobbly because nothing comes from nothing which is contrary to what your science is telling you.


Floo...The Holy Bible talks a lot about a God who created the universe...the universe is made in a scientific way and so Almighty God is a scientist of the highest order. Doesn't need the word science to explain this...what it needs is a people with mental agility to work things out for themselves and when that Scientist delivers his only begotten son to tell us God's ways, his truth and his life he must be talking science to fit in with everything we know about God...which is he created a scientific universe. The fact that millions of people have found succour in those words should also be a strong indicator to the veracity of his teaching.


SqeakyVoice...The Holy Bible suggests it did become tidally locked...reason being that it was seed already in the Earth that sprung into life after the environment had been restored...but the classic point here is the verse that says 'darkness was on the face of the watery deep'...which, though recited trillions of times without realising it can mean only one thing...The planet was tidally locked...As it had life before this and certainly had life afterwards can only mean that it was given a kick-start creating the first day and the first night of God's new project. Now, it is the proof of many other things in the Bible which tell us with confidence that the things that are harder to understand are as true as the easier things to understand and which, by faith, millions have found great store in.

You may not have seen a UFO or read the reports that are coming in but it seems that the Earth has quite a number of alien visitors regularly and to travel the distances required their sciences must be way above ours. Though science is lost on the subject my science gives them a credible way of doing things and I can guarantee that first, before they contemplated travelling around the universe they had broken the hidden code behind the Grand Unification of the Four Universal Field Forces.

You see...whilst you are quick to besmirch a science that has a whole host of scientific facts in its toolbox...you can offer nothing to say I am wrong only the rhetoric that because its outside your ability to understand it, it must be wrong.

Best to get yourself a good Bible and, starting with the Gospels, begin to study science in a more meaningful, space-age way.

[trippymonkey]

Can any Christians here explain EXACTLY what fossils are, please

[NicholasMarks]

Can any Christians here explain EXACTLY what fossils are, please

I thought I just did...It is the remains of the planetery life that existed before the planet became void and needed a kick-start and our God did the kicking and will again when it comes to Judgment Day and he demands to know who is responsible for all the distress inflicted upon the planet.

But not to worry, the righteous, and the innocent, will have a righteous spirit built upon the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ  which will be proof of their innocence in the matter.

[Owlswing]

You should know who Baal is. The Israelites ended up worshipping him on a number of occasions, even putting their firstborn through the fire.

Not being an Israelite, especially not a pre-Christian era Israelite, there is no reason whatsoever for me to know anything at all about Baal.

Stick to what you (supposedly) know, the (supposed) truth of Christianity. At least I was once a Christian, which means that I know more of Christianity than you will ever know of paganism as you have no first-hand experience of it.

[Bubbles]

Yes. A better design.

That's what questioning is for.

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[Bubbles]

That isn't very specific Floo, but it will do.

On what grounds do you say that the universe isn't made from a wonderful, invisible, dynamic energy, as recorded in the Holy Bible and which gives a complete and absolute answer to all sciences...when you look at it my, and the Holy Bibles way??

Well to me science is based on raw data and the conclusions are drawn from it. It's a form of measuring and recording and drawing the most likely solution.

Sometimes, some things are much more certain than other things in the way of conclusions.

Conclusions are open to change if different raw data indicates it's needed.

The bible doesn't rate as raw data IMO

Raw data is actually free of opinion and any opinion in science relies on raw data to prove its point.

Everything else is an opinion and an assertion.

The bible itself is an assertion, not raw data.

See?

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Science should be based totally on raw data and the conjecture it raises, the bible on the other hand is just beliefs with no raw data.

Raw data is something concrete and material which you can measure, like rocks or light.

Things that you can measure and prove.

The only thing you can measure about the bible is its size and thickness , and that can vary 

 

[Rhiannon]

You should know who Baal is. The Israelites ended up worshipping him on a number of occasions, even putting their firstborn through the fire.

Funny that. In my local market square there's a memorial to a young man burned at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian. Apparently the burning of heretics was pleasing to God.

[Bubbles]

Funny that. In my local market square there's a memorial to a young man burned at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian. Apparently the burning of heretics was pleasing to God.

Yes there are a few of those around.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Taylor
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Martyrs

Horrible!

Those who refused to reverse their religious beliefs (even after threat and torture) were tried, excommunicated and, if they had survived the horrors of imprisonment, burnt to death. It is thought that up to 284 Protestants were burnt at the stake during Mary's reign, 88 of them from Sussex.

Link below

http://steyningmuseum.org.uk/launder.htm

[trippymonkey]

I thought I just did...It is the remains of the planetery life that existed before the planet became void and needed a kick-start and our God did the kicking and will again when it comes to Judgment Day and he demands to know who is responsible for all the distress inflicted upon the planet.

But not to worry, the righteous, and the innocent, will have a righteous spirit built upon the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ  which will be proof of their innocence in the matter.

OK So where in the Bible are they mentioned & also YOUR ideas, please?

Nick

[Rhiannon]

Yes there are a few of those around.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Taylor
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Martyrs

Horrible!


http://steyningmuseum.org.uk/launder.htm

Bit more recent and better documented than all the ancient pagan stuff, too.

[ad_orientem]

Funny that. In my local market square there's a memorial to a young man burned at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian. Apparently the burning of heretics was pleasing to God.

What does one heretic burning another heretic got to do with me or Orthodoxy?

[Rhiannon]

What does one heretic burning another heretic got to do with me or Orthodoxy?

About as much as Baal and baby sacrifice has to do with Owlswing and I. More so actually, since you do believe in the same god that they did.

[Owlswing]

About as much as Baal and baby sacrifice has to do with Owlswing and I. More so actually, since you do believe in the same god that they did.

Well said, Lady Rhi!

But, then again, there are none so blind as those who will not see!

[Gonnagle]

Dear Nicholas,

I thought you might be interested in this programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06rd56j/james-clerk-maxwell-the-man-who-made-the-modern-world

Excellent programme, all about Scotland's Einstein, who was thought by his peers to be sometimes away with the fairies.

My thanks to Nearlysane for highlighting this Great Scot.

Gonnagle.

[Enki]

Dear Nicholas,

I thought you might be interested in this programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06rd56j/james-clerk-maxwell-the-man-who-made-the-modern-world

Excellent programme, all about Scotland's Einstein, who was thought by his peers to be sometimes away with the fairies.

My thanks to Nearlysane for highlighting this Great Scot.

Gonnagle.

Yes, I think he was a fantastic scientist, Gonners. Luckily, I saw the programme you refer to via a friends's sky box, even though it was only meant for Scottish viewers, it seems. I agree, it was an excellent programme. Even though, at that time, Maxwell was unable to devise  experiments to test his theories about electromagnetism, his superb grasp of mathematics, leading to the equations he produced, laid the ground work, in many ways, to what modern physics is today.

Indeed, his ideas were initially rejected, as was the case with many other scientists, but because of his successful work on other projects(e.g. Saturn's rings, colour) he could not easily be discounted, So gradually his ideas became accepted, and eventually substantiated by the work of Hertz and others.

One of my favourite scientists.

[ad_orientem]

Well said, Lady Rhi!

But, then again, there are none so blind as those who will not see!

Heresy is from the devil.

[Rhiannon]

Heresy is from the devil.

It's rather alarming that you believe this, ad-o.